D-Day: Omaha Beach! [Quenched]

Coleman · Post by **Coleman** » Wed Jul 11, 2007 7:31 am

Well I don't really know what to think right now. Haven't been any protests for 20 days, that's a bit past the 2 days Andy set. Although we also don't have a quench it crew. Maybe quench it crews are necessary.

gimil · Post by **gimil** » Wed Jul 11, 2007 7:32 am

KEYOGI says andys no around at eth moment :wink:

hulmey · Post by **hulmey** » Wed Jul 11, 2007 7:33 am

And there were still some discussions going on about the bonuses. Dont think they were concluded.

Coleman · Post by **Coleman** » Wed Jul 11, 2007 7:34 am

hulmey wrote:And there were still some discussions going on about the bonuses. Dont think they were concluded.

They were. The bonuses were changed.

mibi · Post by **mibi** » Wed Jul 11, 2007 8:16 am

hulmey wrote:And there were still some discussions going on about the bonuses. Dont think they were concluded.

uh where have you been? the bonuses were discussed and changed.

Qwert · Post by **Qwert** » Wed Jul 11, 2007 12:20 pm

still you have old mistake,name 21 panzer division is mistake,try to find some other german unit who fight in omaha beach.
21 panzer division is fight for caen.

mibi · Post by **mibi** » Wed Jul 11, 2007 7:18 pm

qwert wrote:still you have old mistake,name 21 panzer division is mistake,try to find some other german unit who fight in omaha beach.
21 panzer division is fight for caen.

from wikipedia:

"Rommel believed that the invasion needed to be stopped on the beaches, von Rundstedt, along with Heinz Guderian disagreed. Hitler vacillated and placed them in the middle, far enough to be useless to Rommel, not far enough for von Rundstedt. As a result of this the 21 Panzer was placed near Caen, in the area of the British landings. The SS units that were supposed to supports the division could not be released as they were under Hitler's direct command.

For the first day of the Allied landings the 21 Panzer operated alone hampered by enemy air attacks, it managed to find and engage British Paratroop forces at Ranville. The division gave the British a hard fight until it received orders to withdraw in the late morning."

thats good enough for me.

Qwert · Post by **Qwert** » Thu Jul 12, 2007 3:50 am

mibi

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qwert wrote:
still you have old mistake,name 21 panzer division is mistake,try to find some other german unit who fight in omaha beach.
21 panzer division is fight for caen.

from wikipedia:

"Rommel believed that the invasion needed to be stopped on the beaches, von Rundstedt, along with Heinz Guderian disagreed. Hitler vacillated and placed them in the middle, far enough to be useless to Rommel, not far enough for von Rundstedt. As a result of this the 21 Panzer was placed near Caen, in the area of the British landings. The SS units that were supposed to supports the division could not be released as they were under Hitler's direct command.

For the first day of the Allied landings the 21 Panzer operated alone hampered by enemy air attacks, it managed to find and engage British Paratroop forces at Ranville. The division gave the British a hard fight until it received orders to withdraw in the late morning."

thats good enough for me.

I dont understand,you show me something what i know,that 21 panzer division fight in british landing zone,and these is far away of Omaha Beach,do you want to say that you dont care who unit and where these unit fight,if you want i can give you all names of unit who fight in omaha beach,ofcourse if you want to yours map be a litle acurate then now.

KEYOGI · Post by **KEYOGI** » Thu Jul 12, 2007 4:39 am

How hard is it to change a name mibi? qwert has a valid point and I've yet to read a decent rebuttal.

Qwert · Post by **Qwert** » Thu Jul 12, 2007 6:43 am

Mibi in developmental rule topic,you must give logical reason why you dont want to change some things, and i belive that changes names is most easy work in maps,belive me i also have problems in mine Eastern front map with names,because all names must be acurate. These only must be apply with maps who present some real things like yours map D-Day,OMAHA BEACH. You present historical event,and you must care to everything be acurate,and map will be more better with real names.
I will give you list of all mistake in yours names on map later.

mibi · Post by **mibi** » Thu Jul 12, 2007 7:37 am

qwert wrote:
mibi

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qwert wrote:
still you have old mistake,name 21 panzer division is mistake,try to find some other german unit who fight in omaha beach.
21 panzer division is fight for caen.

from wikipedia:

"Rommel believed that the invasion needed to be stopped on the beaches, von Rundstedt, along with Heinz Guderian disagreed. Hitler vacillated and placed them in the middle, far enough to be useless to Rommel, not far enough for von Rundstedt. As a result of this the 21 Panzer was placed near Caen, in the area of the British landings. The SS units that were supposed to supports the division could not be released as they were under Hitler's direct command.

For the first day of the Allied landings the 21 Panzer operated alone hampered by enemy air attacks, it managed to find and engage British Paratroop forces at Ranville. The division gave the British a hard fight until it received orders to withdraw in the late morning."

thats good enough for me.

I dont understand,you show me something what i know,that 21 panzer division fight in british landing zone,and these is far away of Omaha Beach,do you want to say that you dont care who unit and where these unit fight,if you want i can give you all names of unit who fight in omaha beach,ofcourse if you want to yours map be a litle acurate then now.

give me a more accurate name and i will throw it in there.

Qwert · Post by **Qwert** » Thu Jul 12, 2007 8:35 am

dont worry i will give you,also 1 of yours ship have mistake names to.

Qwert · Post by **Qwert** » Thu Jul 12, 2007 9:17 am

insted 21 panzer division-put 916th grenadire regiment these is a part of 352 infantry division.
insted USS BAyfield-put USS TEXAS.
i also must look what present these two planes.

mibi · Post by **mibi** » Thu Jul 12, 2007 9:18 am

qwert wrote:dont worry i will give you,also 1 of yours ship have mistake names to.

well im waiting. further movement on this map now depends on you... thats not a good sign.

hulmey · Post by **hulmey** » Thu Jul 12, 2007 9:20 am

welll why dont you do abit of reserach yourself and find the name. It cant be that hard surley!!!

mibi · Post by **mibi** » Thu Jul 12, 2007 9:20 am

qwert wrote:insted 21 panzer division-put 916th grenadire regiment these is a part of 352 infantry division.
insted USS BAyfield-put USS TEXAS.
i also must look what present these two planes.

916 grenadire is already in there.

thanks qwert.

mibi · Post by **mibi** » Thu Jul 12, 2007 9:23 am

hulmey wrote:welll why dont you do abit of reserach yourself and find the name. It cant be that hard surley!!!

i have already done the research and couldnt find a suitable name for a german division at that beach that i havent already used. so i used the 'next best thing', another german division that was at normandy that provided support.

but qwert would like to hamstring this map because i left some criticism on his. oh well. i guess its up to qwert and keyogi now.

Qwert · Post by **Qwert** » Thu Jul 12, 2007 9:41 am

914. Grenadier Regiment
915. Grenadier Regiment
352.Panzerjäger Abteilung
352. Artillerie Regiment
352. Fusilier Battalion
Feld-Ersatz Battalion
You can take 1 of those.

but qwert would like to hamstring this map because i left some criticism on his. oh well. i guess its up to qwert and keyogi now.

Well you forget that i have these sugestion far before yours criticism, and its these you reason why you want to not change?

Coleman · Post by **Coleman** » Thu Jul 12, 2007 10:01 am

I'll redo the xml when I know what the new map looks like.

Coleman · Post by **Coleman** » Thu Jul 12, 2007 10:04 am

qwert wrote:insted USS BAyfield-put USS TEXAS.

I agree, I guess.

qwert wrote:i also must look what present these two planes.

The planes aren't representative of actual planes and are named what they are to help identify what they do. We weren't going for a history lesson we were just trying to make a map we both wanted to play.

Qwert · Post by **Qwert** » Thu Jul 12, 2007 10:18 am

Ok Coleman,then i will only sugested these two names change. Uss Texas and 1 of these units to change 21 panzer division.

mibi · Post by **mibi** » Thu Jul 12, 2007 10:36 am

qwert wrote:914. Grenadier Regiment
915. Grenadier Regiment
352.Panzerjäger Abteilung
352. Artillerie Regiment
352. Fusilier Battalion
Feld-Ersatz Battalion
You can take 1 of those.

but qwert would like to hamstring this map because i left some criticism on his. oh well. i guess its up to qwert and keyogi now.

Well you forget that i have these sugestion far before yours criticism, and its these you reason why you want to not change?

qwert can you provide a link that shows that those divisions were present at Omaha beach for the allied invasion. The 916th and 352nd infantry are the only german divisions on the beach that day that i know of.

the 914 was at Point-du-Hoc.
the 915 and fusilier 352 was southeast of Bayeux.
and i couldnt find anything about the feld-eratz battalion.

so please provide some evidence that these groups were on omaha beach, other wise it seems you are just picking names from a hat, which i am perfectly capable of doing myself.

your the one pushing for the absolute historical accuracy of this map, so dont be so sloppy with your facts.

Qwert · Post by **Qwert** » Thu Jul 12, 2007 11:41 am

Now you made a big mistake,let show you in these way:
1.352 Infantry Division hold defence in OMAHA beach

2. These unit is part of 352 Infantry Division
914. Grenadier Regiment
915. Grenadier Regiment
916.Grenadier Regiment
352.Panzerjäger Abteilung
352. Artillerie Regiment
352. Fusilier Battalion
Feld-Ersatz Battalion

So it will be more acurate to put 1 of these unit, insted 21 panzer division,who never been in omaha beach. The 916th is not a division.

mibi Posted: 12 Jul 2007 14:18 Post subject:

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qwert wrote:
dont worry i will give you,also 1 of yours ship have mistake names to.

well im waiting. further movement on this map now depends on you... thats not a good sign.

Belive or not you waith only 1 second,and these is not good sign.

mibi · Post by **mibi** » Thu Jul 12, 2007 12:01 pm

qwert wrote:Now you made a big mistake,let show you in these way:
1.352 Infantry Division hold defence in OMAHA beach

2. These unit is part of 352 Infantry Division
914. Grenadier Regiment
915. Grenadier Regiment
916.Grenadier Regiment
352.Panzerjäger Abteilung
352. Artillerie Regiment
352. Fusilier Battalion
Feld-Ersatz Battalion

So it will be more acurate to put 1 of these unit, insted 21 panzer division,who never been in omaha beach. The 916th is not a division.

Those units were part of the 352nd infantry but they were not present at omaha beach, as there were else where for allied invasion, so it is still inaccurate.

Qwert · Post by **Qwert** » Thu Jul 12, 2007 12:38 pm

then you can split germans in two part,and in these way will be 100% acurate.