D4of The Reid technique Mafia Game

[Ragian]

Dev, I get where you are coming from, but do not get hung up on verification. Use your instincts. Who has tried to solve this for town's benefit. I need you to go beyond all that classical analysis of the Enlightenment and read people here. You know in your gut that I'm not the one you want to lynch. Lynching me will only satisfy a need to prove lik dissecting a frog will give you knowledge, but it kills the frog.

If you lynch me and I turn town and at least one other townie dies tonight, what will you do?

[Devante]

I have on question
In what way whould Darin44 messed up Loose Canon investigation? please clarify

"With Loose I can see a second cop in play mainly because his investigation on Devon would show a fake result given Darin the quack protected devon night 1 which would as quack messed up that investigation ... "

In one of Sonics poem posts it indicates the cop can be given wrong result and since darin was a quack and protected devon the same night loose investigated him it made sense to me that it could have been an altered result. also adds support to you having the role you claimed as if that happened and a cop got the wrong result on a mafia your role would kick in stating it was actually mafia. you getting multiple results make sense too if there were two cops so your not sure which cop it was

[Devante]

Dev, I get where you are coming from, but do not get hung up on verification. Use your instincts. Who has tried to solve this for town's benefit. I need you to go beyond all that classical analysis of the Enlightenment and read people here. You know in your gut that I'm not the one you want to lynch. Lynching me will only satisfy a need to prove lik dissecting a frog will give you knowledge, but it kills the frog.

If you lynch me and I turn town and at least one other townie dies tonight, what will you do?

Likely be screwed. I'm trying to move away from analyzing the topic cause i'm starting to go down a deep hole and might need professional help lol. I have an idea of how to work out some of the sonic clues but don't have the time, patience or brain power for it right now. Feel spent. Going to have to go with gut here but going to let it sit for a bit since i'm heading out for a hockey game. I will vote before deadline though looks like we are at 1 day 8 hours from sonics timer if i have that right

[hjelp]

Let's read Loose Canon a bit.

Loose Canon pushed for EW heavily D2 and N2 EW was shot.
Loose Canon pushed for Charle heavily D3 and N3 Charle was shot.

Now Loose Canon sort of push heavily for Ragian.
Why is that?
There is one pattern.

Loose Canon has argued for 3P regarding EW and Charle. Now Loose Canon argues for 3p (and a less bit of Mafia) again regarding Ragian and is very interested in the flavour "Bullet Proof".
The threat to a Mafia is 3P and Bullet Proof.
Loose Canon doesn't use tangible facts when arguing, more like random guesses as I see it.

[hjelp]

@ Devante

I have on question
In what way whould Darin44 messed up Loose Canon investigation? please clarify

"With Loose I can see a second cop in play mainly because his investigation on Devon would show a fake result given Darin the quack protected devon night 1 which would as quack messed up that investigation ... "

In one of Sonics poem posts it indicates the cop can be given wrong result and since darin was a quack and protected devon the same night loose investigated him it made sense to me that it could have been an altered result. also adds support to you having the role you claimed as if that happened and a cop got the wrong result on a mafia your role would kick in stating it was actually mafia. you getting multiple results make sense too if there were two cops so your not sure which cop it was

Devon99 was "Odd Night Mafia Godfather"
My role kicks in if an investigator did visit a Mafia.
I read an investigator as this was exactly one investigator. I realise now that it can be any of several investigators that is an investigator.

- This means that if Loose Canon investigated Devon99 N1 then I should have got a report hit Mafia.

Moreover,

Darin44 protected Devon99 N1,
IF a Quack Doc twists the result then a wrong result will give the opposite result to innocent. That means that Loose Canon would have received guilty.

- This means that if Loose Canon investigated Devon99 N1 then Loose Canon would have received guilty.

I think that one of these or both proves that Loose Canon claim is false

[hjelp]

Using my last post as evidence and added to that my assumptions made earlier as "indicum"

Vote Loose Canon

[hjelp]

Also, the report from Charle confirmed that Charle investigated halrob64 N1. Added as evidence.

[SoN!c]

DEADLINE D4 OF THE REID IS 26 HOURS!!

https://www.timeanddate.com/countdown/t ... sive&csz=1

1 day, 2 hours, 34 minutes, 34 seconds

OFFICIAL VOTE COUNT

Loose Canon: (2) Ragian, Hjelp

WITH 5 ALIVE IT TAKES 3 TO LYNCH!

[halrob64]

I suppose I need to spend my Saturday off going through all Sonics clues.
I want to believe in Ragian but there are inconsistencies
Jhelp I think is not making sense ref the night activities of Charle, the answer seems very vague and obstructive
Loose is chaotic
Not sure where you are at Devante?

This post has wiped out any confidence I have in you Devante, it's the last few hours of the day. You have now taken the most consistent theory of both me and you being town to now me being a possible 3p, that feels like being thrown under a bus.
So we now have Devante oh I'm the only real town member, all the rest can fight for my patronage.
I'm beginning to think all this bullshit about declaring your role and getting killed is 100% bluff and your 3p.
You have been able to sow doubt and confusion throughout the game using that one mate.




Right now Halrob I'm on the fence whether the information I have has gotten misconstrued or misunderstand by me and you are actually mafia who was converted at beginning of game. Unlikely 3P as you were poisoned unless there's some mechanism there for that and to counter it allowing for a misdirect under the REID technique. For now I have to go with how things point out without any of this REID stuff which in that case makes you town.

With Loose I can see a second cop in play mainly because his investigation on Devon would show a fake result given Darin the quack protected devon night 1 which would as quack messed up that investigation. However Loose is playing very different then he was at the start and in my mind points to likely mafia over 3p. Further warranted by his voting and never hitting scum players. But there is that investigation that was flipped. There's a good possibility he is town and just as usual misguided.

Ragian has the hardest to prove. I can see him bussing a player once but to call it out twice, that's very unlikely. But 3P very possible. Although he has not been sowing chaos as much as say Loose, hjelp or even halrob with his random poems in the mix. But his role is the hardest to verify. There is no way to know if true unless it's triggered by other then town and as such makes it the best fake role to hide behind.

And hjelp, has played townish but always confused me with his random if opt a doesn't work then it must be opt b, or c, or d. And a lot of time putting things in that didn't make sense or seemed fabricated. Similar to Loose in that fashion. Now the Charle result adds some doubt in as well. Inexperience as player could both be adding to difficulty in representing himself as town and articulating it or could be causing difficulty trying to navigate his fake town role with his counter alliance role. But his role does make a lot of sense for what we know of game set-up and the roles that have flipped, mainly charle, ew and the mafia roles.

So where am I at Halrob, thinking jumping in incoming traffic was maybe not a bad idea after all. My gut tells me this REID technique would have you as mafia and Ragian as 3P. But things don't line up and the chaos agent wants a false or misguided manipulated lynch to win. So I hesitate going down that road.

From mechanics side Ragian makes the most sense to lynch as his role can be verified along with alliance since loose and hjelps roles compliment each other and therefore D5, if there even is a D5, could be used to skim out who is lying. If Ragian flips town then the other two are guilty with the possibility of you being a possible party in the mix although less likely. But I don't like that as if he is town it is a role I don't want us to lose.

So letting my wheels turn a bit here some longer

[Loose Canon]

With EW's vote I am probably on L-2. So let me claim before i got hammered.

I am the Town Cop, hence my suspicion on Devon as there seems to be a lot of investigating roles claimed. N1 i investigated Halrob and the verdict came back his is Town. I hoped that I could do it another night, but I guess I am now on the chopping block. If doc can save me, let's hope Mafia do not have blockers. I think it is best for town that I revealed this, before I got hammered.

So Hjelp how can your audit of Charle have come back no result N1?
- its your claimed ability to get audit report that is a lie

And re Ragian he's played and won as both Mafia and 3P before.
- he knew damned well what his role was and what it did

Double badge of town honour to get votes from those 2 miscreants

[Devante]

Well I get you might feel that way but that's a personal issue. I've spent hours rereading Sonics posts and this entire topic. Regards to you hjelp made a few good points as well which made me consider that. What I've posted is from rereading everything and doing so with a sonic lens. This is his game with a ton of flavour added and time spent to orchestrate a grand finale, and if you know anything from playing in sonic's games and Sonic himself that's the kind of set-up he would try to lay out, the most unreasonable outcome is the likeliest. Regards to you he's given every indication and breadcrumbs that you are town from the info i got with my role and from days/nights moving forward, but purposely avoided ever saying so directly so just enough room there to cause doubt which he did not do with any other info/roles I received. The whole point of the agent of chaos is partially to cause a mis lynch on someone hence the doubt. But regardless if I didn't think you were town I wouldn't have healed you last night when you had lost your abilities since you were poisoned and hence would have died. I laid out what I did above to ensure if I don't survive the night my thoughts are laid out for any surviving town in case there is a D5.

[Devante]

FP loose

[hjelp]

@ Loose Canon

I have Charle's report.

N1. Charle's chosen target was halrob64 and "no result".
N2. Charle's chosen target was Ragian and "no result".
N3. Charle's chosen target was Ragian and "no result".

Hjelp, why did you skew the result wording given to you?

I'm back home now.

As I said. You told me not to quote SoN!c. Therefore I rewrote.
Then I wrote an explanation that I hope that you all understand what I mean.

...
Let me put it this way.
I can confirm Charle’s report N1 and N2.
N3 is the same result as N2.
Target N1 was halrob64.
Target N2 and N3 was Ragian.

Ragian asked me if halrob64 come back as Town, I said that halrob64 came back Town.
halrob64 asked me if innocent, guilty or no result, I said he is innocent.
Then I haven't quoted SoN!c. Instead I have answered the questions.
Ragian came back as no result, both.

None of them triggered Mafia report so regarding Mafia - no result.

Not sure whether it applies to just role or the night investigations but won't make you test that.

Regarding Ragian i'll ask the questions then so you can answer, did Ragian come back as no result, guilty or innocent?
did it come back as town at all?
Was it the same result both nights?

@ Devante
N2. Ragian came back as no result and Charle guessed Mafia blocker or Town jail keeper.
N3. Ragian came back as no result.
It was the same result both nights.

[Loose Canon]

Charle said "the verdict came back his is town".
If it wasn't there were 2 badduns left I could give you benefit of doubt vs Ragian that your auditing powers might be manipulated.
But then you are the auditor - audit yourself Hjelp!

[hjelp]

@ Loose Canon
Further,
I have gathered so many indicium against you during D3, they are overhelming. Thanks to Devante I now managed to prove that your claim is false.

[Loose Canon]

How???

[hjelp]

To use Devante's words

If I am wrong lynch me tomorrow

But I'm sure of not being wrong.

[Ragian]

I've won more as town than scum and 3rd party. But saying that it's impossible for me to f*ck up is just flat out wrong. Clip to Razor's game where Max - aye, Max of all people - caught me as scum. Idiocy knows no alignment.

@Dev, think back to DO, I think it was, when everyone wanted your blood. Including me at first. The reason was that we couldn't verify your role. I changed my tune because you expressed yourself in a manner that indicated that you are town. I cannot verify that, but my gut tells me that it's true. How easy would it have been to lynch you? Any scumster wouldn't have thought twice about it because it was a free lynch where afterwards everyone could've washed their hands going, "Wellp, he brought that on himself." I didn't. I cautioned, I interpreted your words, and here we are. Do what your gut tells you is right, not what the needy brain tells you must happen for a brief moment of clarity on our collective way to dusty death.

[Ragian]

DO should read D2

[hjelp]

@ Loose Canon
It looks like you don't read my posts.

How???

@ Devante

I have on question
In what way whould Darin44 messed up Loose Canon investigation? please clarify

"With Loose I can see a second cop in play mainly because his investigation on Devon would show a fake result given Darin the quack protected devon night 1 which would as quack messed up that investigation ... "

In one of Sonics poem posts it indicates the cop can be given wrong result and since darin was a quack and protected devon the same night loose investigated him it made sense to me that it could have been an altered result. also adds support to you having the role you claimed as if that happened and a cop got the wrong result on a mafia your role would kick in stating it was actually mafia. you getting multiple results make sense too if there were two cops so your not sure which cop it was

Devon99 was "Odd Night Mafia Godfather"
My role kicks in if an investigator did visit a Mafia.
I read an investigator as this was exactly one investigator. I realise now that it can be any of several investigators that is an investigator.

- This means that if Loose Canon investigated Devon99 N1 then I should have got a report hit Mafia.

Moreover,

Darin44 protected Devon99 N1,
IF a Quack Doc twists the result then a wrong result will give the opposite result to innocent. That means that Loose Canon would have received guilty.

- This means that if Loose Canon investigated Devon99 N1 then Loose Canon would have received guilty.

I think that one of these or both proves that Loose Canon claim is false

Also, the report from Charle confirmed that Charle investigated halrob64 N1. Added as evidence.

Using my last post as evidence and added to that my assumptions made earlier as "indicum"
...

[Ragian]

He doesn't. He has misrepresented me several times, too. He is desperate and just polluted the thread now in order to confuse and manipulate Dev and Hal.

[Ragian]

Pollutes*

[Loose Canon]

Hjelp your proof even if it holds if you were town doesn't mean anything because you evidently are not.

Ragian your ascetic investigation proof would be perfect for a 3p who can only be held by bars of iron.

Both mafia and 3p reckon they are in trouble if the other is lynched.

Halrob, Devante lynch one of em, then town has more than one route to victory depending on whether doctor protection is effective n4 or not.