D3 of The Reid technique Mafia Game

[hjelp]

@ Devante

Also, consider your non-disclore condition enforced by the host null and void as you are now forced with L-1 conditions that have the upper hand..

What about this ?
You were L-1 and L-1 is having upper hand. Is it still valid? or only when L-1?

[Devante]

@ Devante

Also, consider your non-disclore condition enforced by the host null and void as you are now forced with L-1 conditions that have the upper hand..

What about this ?
You were L-1 and L-1 is having upper hand. Is it still valid? or only when L-1?

That was a mod alteration given the events of D1. He did not expect that town might lose two individuals first day before there was even a lynch because of me not being able to claim. I had to go back and forth with him to understand it and his explanation was because it was D-1 where I was about to be lynched and as long as it was without me causing it I could state my role. By the time I had clarification there were unvotes on me so I could do nothing with it and the back and forth on the topic just created confusion for everyone. There is no sword. I am town. I have info that can help town but so far what I am seeing is not lining up hence I've stated there appears to be information missing or roles not claimed that line things up on my end

[Loose Canon]

@ Loose Canon

Charle may be right that Devon is a baddun, but it seems to me the way he gets there is flawed.
Charle and me could actually both be right - Devon could be Mafia and Devante could be 3P.

The current evidence on Devon it seems to me is that Charle claims cop and Devon claimed 50% cop so therefore Devon must be lying.

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Devante has voted all over the place, and arguably has tried everything to divert attention, so I don't see how Charle can currently think Devon is more likely to be a baddun than Devante.

If it was just about feel of who might be mafia, or process of elimination Devon is likely mafia I'd agree with Charle.
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So yes Devon is under suspicion but currently for me less so than Devante.

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I'm sticking with Devante D2 because I put to you guys that it is more solid than Devon at the present time.

You posted this D2 and you investigated Devon99 N1.
How come you still argued for Devon99 to be Mafia when your investigation showed he wasn't Mafia ?

Oh come on this isn't quote of the day at all.
I'm clearly steering away from Devon back onto Devante because of my night 1 result, and because Charle s arrival at his suspicion was unsound.
But I didn't 100% trust my n1 result because of amongst other things strike framer flip, and also I didn't want to reveal my role at that stage.
I was unclear (still am) about what was happening re me & Charle cop + wherever Devon was with his claim at that point.

[SoN!c]

DEADLINE D3 OF THE REID IS THIS SATURDAY!

https://www.timeanddate.com/countdown/g ... sive&csz=1

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0 seconds remaining!!

[hjelp]

This is the last vote and then finally EW voted Devon99 (see below).
This will be Town vs Mafia (no 3P since 3P will vote on any), trying to find the last Mafia.

Devon99 was Odd Night Mafia Godfather. It seems strange to me if a fellow Mafia votes on the Godfather if they are 2 Mafias left (assuming 3 after one was turned Mafia). So I'm thinking that
Assumption I: one Mafia doesn't vote for the fellow Mafia.
Assumption II: All voted on Devon99 flip towns (including EW) according to assumption I.

Devon99 and halrob64 voted on Darin44.

Darin44 didn't vote on Devon99 so Darin44 flips Mafia.
halrob64 voted on Darin44 but Darin44 flips Mafia then halrob64 flips Town
Devon99 voted on Darin but Darin flips Mafia then Devon99 flips Town but it's false since Devon99 actually flipped Mafia.

So Darin44 can't flip Mafia, hence flips Town.

Darin44 flips Town then halrob64 flips Town or flips Mafia.
Loose Canon didn't vote on Devon99 then Loose Canon flips Mafia.

Now, halrob64 is cleared Town by Charle and EW, so halrob64 flips Town.

Last one standing will be Loose Canon flips Mafia.

But these are only assumptions.

Official vote count:

Devon: (4) Charle, Hjelp, Ragian, Devante
Hjelp: (2) EW, Darin
Darin: (2) Devon, Halrob
EW: (1) Loose Canon

TIME TO DECIDE WHO GETS LYNCHED IS NOW!! JUST 4 HOURS REMAINING..

Spoiler

https://www.timeanddate.com/countdown/t ... nt=cursive

With 9 alive it takes 5 to lynch!

[hjelp]

Vote Loose Canon

[SoN!c]

Official vote count:

Loose Canon: (3) Charle, Halrob, Hjelp

With 7 alive it takes 4 to lynch!

[Loose Canon]

That logic is decent but 3 flaws;

1. i'd had an innocent result on Devon - Ok discount that if you want.
2. That Devon voted Darin - well mafia will vote mafia and take the risk that it won't lead to a lynch - doesn't clear Darin
3. Lot of time pressure and website upgrade chaos immediately leading up to the Devon lynch - would have thrown a mafia looking to get off the lynch at last moment, and also it was uncertain that Devon was going to be lynched until he was.

[hjelp]

@ Loose Canon
Assumption I: one Mafia doesn't vote for the fellow Mafia.
They were only two left.

- Would you vote on a fellow Mafia if only two left, or would you try to stear away?

And it also make sense that you D2 wanted to stear away from Devon99 to Devante. If you flips Mafia then you knew, after N1, that Devon99 was Mafia since Devon99 was Odd Night Godfather.

The flaw as I see it, would be that the "union" EW, Charle, halrob64 somehow doesn't work out.

[hjelp]

@ Loose Canon
Let me rephrase the question
- Would you vote on a fellow Mafia if only two left ?

[Loose Canon]

No I wouldn't cast the lynching vote - at least not with so many players left.

I would cast an earlier vote though and then face the predicament of whether I could get off it or not, if I needed to
And with so many players in the game and 5 needed for a lynch that would be a decent gamble to make in my book.

This is where you started D3 with me isn't it? - and maybe what you had prepared for me D2 too?

[hjelp]

What I have written now makes sense to me, therefore I vote on you.

[Loose Canon]

What you have written makes sense yes.

It also makes sense as
a. mafia trying to mislynch a town
b. 3p trying to mislynch a town in knowledge or educated guess that a town will be mislynched

Your claim is remarkably similar to extremes

You have it seems I have to give it to you set me up perfectly.

[halrob64]

You have it seems I have to give it to you set me up perfectly.

I think the issue I have Loose is you have set yourself up. You claimed straight away D3. I felt that claiming to have investigated both Devon and EW was very convenient as they were dead and would not take part in any further discussion.
jhelp has called you out on what you put on the forum its there in black and white, so I'm not sure there is any co ordinated set up.
Your answer is plausible, I do know that you would try to push an investigation away from someone you knew or suspected of being town, it makes sense.
However, I don't know why you didn't say hey guys, I did visit Devon and by the way, I did try to play away from him/her as I genuinely think Devante is the guilty party. That would also make sense.
If your a clean town cop then we will be clearly lynching the wrong person but I think your trying to talk yourself out of a tight corner of your own making.
If Devante is truthful about his role then I would have thought the way the game would be set up would come fully into play now. A town cop is about to be lynched, is severally damaged at this point so surely I can intervene? If not then it seems a very pointless role to see another important town member get lynched.
For that reason I''m going to temporarily unvote you.
jhelp/Charle I am only doing this for the moment as I think Devante has to come clean at this point, it makes mo sense if Devante has an important town role that it is not in play to save a town cop.
Devante I think its time come clean.
Unvote Loose
One day's grace from me, lets get these questions answered

[SoN!c]

Official vote count:

Loose Canon: (2) Charle, Hjelp

With 7 alive it takes 4 to lynch!

[Ragian]

@Charle, more or less all roles can be mafia aligned as well as town aligned. I'm not sure what you're asking me to be honest. A doctor's role is to protect. A mafia doctor probably protects mafia from e.g. 3rd party poisoners or town vigs, etc.

https://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=Doctor

@hjelp, Loose is experienced enough to know that when you get a cop role in a game, you should expect a godfather role.

[hjelp]

@ Loose Canon

Please Continue elaborate the "union" EW, Charle, halrob64 since that is the flaw regarding my Assumptions made. You are now accused of being Mafia.
There might be an Even Night Godfather, Ragian said that we can expect a Godfather role. We have only found a 50% Godfather role.

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3a. The only tangible really suspicious/unusual thing in this game was Devante - I've swung all over the place on Devante (lets call him X)
3b. Extreme has pulled strings and pushed buttons from D1 - lets put pressure on X, lets now put pressure on Y Devon, I suspect X, I don't suspect X any longer, I don't know what X could be but I believe him. I'm actually the only one who has put forward any hypothesis on why X Devante might be town given his highly unusual claim/can't claim
3c. Doesn't it strike you as perhaps a bit too lucky for town that firstly a Mafia is poisoned and secondly Charle, Halrob and Extreme are all seemingly hermetically sealed as town?

Somehow amongst all this in the course of questioning myself I thought hold on, a Town Warden who can verify a cop (Charle) , who can verify a cops results are good, who can therefore verify that another player (Halrob) is town can therefore seemingly verify themselves to a whole host of townies - (near) perfect 3P play IF Sonic has given him "Warden powers " and/or fake claim as 3P.
Looked back at Sonics posts (again!!!) to see if the "flavour" fitted this hypothesis - very first "flavour" poem post - yes it does!
It also fits how a Town Devante could be in the sway of a 3P.
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Lynch me if you like - I know I'm laying myself open to being accused of being alternative 3P or Mafia and maybe I am?
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[Loose Canon]

Yes there could be an even night godfather.

I was thinking (jealousy thinking) hooker roleblocker who visited Charle

And yes I'm in a tight corner for sure.

Not quite sure whether I suspect you enough now or whether Devante.

Your placing and unplacing votes on me is good though.

[Loose Canon]

I'm getting confused between Hjelp and Halrob here, effective pincer movement on me.

[halrob64]

Well I reckon if your an honest cop and Devante has the town role he is alluding at, I think the white horse will be on its way to save you.......but...

[Loose Canon]

What Town Role is Devante alluding to?

I still suspect Devante.

But actually its a scorpion attack I'm facing
Charle and Halrob are the town pincers
Hjelp is the mafia or 3P poisonous sting in the tail who reckons he has a route to victory

vote Hjelp

[halrob64]

by Devante » Mon Nov 24, 2025 1:19 pm

hjelp wrote: Mon Nov 24, 2025 12:59 pm
@ Devante
Devante wrote: Mon Nov 24, 2025 12:14 pm
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When does the role fully kick in - when associated role is not available to be used or is damaged
Does it need a death to kick in - death or "damage" from a non town player
Is the role beneficial to town and how - yes it is a town role and I am town. It takes over associated role that is no longer in play or has been damaged and possibly soon to be out of play

I this the very smae ver large community sword you earlier asked for?

SoN!c wrote: Fri Oct 24, 2025 4:12 pm
Devante wrote:
also drunk sonic what is my non-disclosure condition? Do I finally get the very LARGE SWORD I asked for
Ok.. since im apparently drunk i'll play along..It's a Long Way to Tipperary for you to recieve that VERY LARGE COMMUNITY SWORD...

You got 5 additional conditions Dev in your welcome post...

Your condition n°4
"You may not directly claim this knowledge in thread or claim to be the ? (the host enforces silence by rule). Faillure to do so will result in your and the ? instant death."
There is no large community sword that I am aware of. That was a joke in reference to a game we played a while back where there was a sword in play and since then it's kinda become a running gag in subsequent games. I thought sonic was posting drunk nonsense so made a joke with the sword but it turns out he was reminding me of the conditions I got with original pm which I overlooked since I wasn't really an active role yet. Main condition there was I was about to claim my role which is specifically laid out in my conditions by the mod that if I did so it would result in mine and the other associated roles death. Mainly I think it's set-up that way because of the other info I started with and have been given which I cannot directly reveal but as town have to use to help other townies with. Hence the constant comments of read between the lines I keep saying to you guys. It's all a part of this reid theme mod is doing and personally I think he's enjoying the squirming I'm stuck doing trying to say something indirectly so as not to break any conditions. This part of the role sucks lol

Loose I think its a load of crap but lets see if we can get any more sense

[Loose Canon]

Ok there's a bit of a reaction, or fun and games thing going on between you, me and Hjelp, so my vote on Hjelp might be too much on the reaction and fun and games side.

He's not at risk of lynch really anyway so agree with you re Devante.

[hjelp]

And I will have to learn not to set a player status L-1 until final hours.

[hjelp]

Unvote Loose Canon