D3 of The Reid technique Mafia Game

[hjelp]

EW cleared you as town, so I know that

[Charle]

I actually agree, would be nice to know what Rob and Ragian's roles are, and if that happens we might get something more from Devante and surely Rob you should be able to give us some info of what you discovered so far. Whether it is good or no result or whatever, we will be able to figure things out?

[Ragian]

Ragian, are you not curious to who received the extra PR this round? I would think its important. If a towns person had information that was of useful, you would assume it would be out there.
So it does point in the direction of a bad guy getting it.
A question for Devante. Does your role come into play if a certain player is taken out in N3? ie if a cop or the Doc is killed does your role come into play?

It's not that I'm not interested in who got it. But since we've gotten 2/3 (supposedly) scumbags, I'm sure Son!c would give it to scum. He likes to mend as a mod. However, as stated, I came to play mafia, so I'm looking at people's play and claims rather than guessing at things we cannot determine.

quote=Charle post_id=5371131 time=1763891793 user_id=406193]
It is easy Ragian, if you are town, did you protect me? If you are town and you did not protect me, then scum blocked me. Only you will know that, but I don't care, what is going to change if we know?

I know that we have a doc, as my role info I know will be opposite if doc protect me. Darin claimed doc, if there was another real doc, he would have told us and Darin would be caught with a false claim. Therefore I believe Darin as our Doc, it can also explain why we have one kill as 3P probably went for hjelp.

Hjelp's claim of sleepwalker is a typical Sonic type of role, and it would have been really hard to make that one up, therefore he is cleared in my eyes. Also if Loose's claim was not false, hjelp would have received a Mafia report instead of no report.

2 x dirty old scumbags between Ragian, Devante and Loose.[/quote]
You're being weird, Charle. Of course it matters. If protected, we have a protective role in play other than Darin, which would make Darin's claim weaker. If blocked, we know that one of the baddies has a blocking ability, which should be in the back of everyone's minds when acting during night.

Also, as Loose pointed out, hjelp's claim is uncorroborated. You saying that it sounds like a typical Son!c role is most likely true. You thinking it therefore must be town is a false assumption that you're making. That it is a typical Son!c role makes it no less unlikely that it could be a fake claim. Everyone believed Devon's claim, so there's actually a logical assumption in thinking that Son!c has provided scum with fake claims. As mentioned several times, and even in this post too, I'm looking at gameplay. I think hjelp's play D1 and D2 was uncharacteristic of him as town (from what I learned from the other games with the Swede, which, granted, is a very thin basis), but then he voted Devon, so I don't think he is mafia. He could've just let the time run out. However, I'm not discounting him as 3rd party.

And yes, you "know" we have a doc. I don't. I have to take your word for it. All that I can see is that you're connected to halrob by clearing him and Darin by knowing of his existence only. Not his alignment. While I haven't read the poems, I think hjelp mused about the existence of a mafia doc. Does your PM, Charle (don't quote it), specifically state that there's a town doc, or does it just say doc?

To be honest, and please read this carefully rather than explode because it is about you, it would make sense to lynch halrob or Darin in order to establish if we can trust that Charle-halrob-Darin combo. Saying that there must be two baddies between Devante-Loose-me makes for two possible mislynches. Let's do that math:
- 7 players alive (5 town, 2 baddies).
- Mislynch and two deaths --> 4 players alive (3 or 2 town, 1 or 2 baddies)
- Mislynch and two deaths --> game over

Just saying that we have to think this through, and I'm happy that everyone has eased off the trigger. Regarding having halrob or me claiming, you know what to do. You cannot expect us to want to claim straight away because you feel like it. If I thought it beneficial to claim, I would do so. I just don't trust who's who enough just now.

[Ragian]

Ragian, are you not curious to who received the extra PR this round? I would think its important. If a towns person had information that was of useful, you would assume it would be out there.
So it does point in the direction of a bad guy getting it.
A question for Devante. Does your role come into play if a certain player is taken out in N3? ie if a cop or the Doc is killed does your role come into play?

It's not that I'm not interested in who got it. But since we've gotten 2/3 (supposedly) scumbags, I'm sure Son!c would give it to scum. He likes to mend as a mod. However, as stated, I came to play mafia, so I'm looking at people's play and claims rather than guessing at things we cannot determine.

It is easy Ragian, if you are town, did you protect me? If you are town and you did not protect me, then scum blocked me. Only you will know that, but I don't care, what is going to change if we know?

I know that we have a doc, as my role info I know will be opposite if doc protect me. Darin claimed doc, if there was another real doc, he would have told us and Darin would be caught with a false claim. Therefore I believe Darin as our Doc, it can also explain why we have one kill as 3P probably went for hjelp.

Hjelp's claim of sleepwalker is a typical Sonic type of role, and it would have been really hard to make that one up, therefore he is cleared in my eyes. Also if Loose's claim was not false, hjelp would have received a Mafia report instead of no report.

2 x dirty old scumbags between Ragian, Devante and Loose.

You're being weird, Charle. Of course it matters. If protected, we have a protective role in play other than Darin, which would make Darin's claim weaker. If blocked, we know that one of the baddies has a blocking ability, which should be in the back of everyone's minds when acting during night.

Also, as Loose pointed out, hjelp's claim is uncorroborated. You saying that it sounds like a typical Son!c role is most likely true. You thinking it therefore must be town is a false assumption that you're making. That it is a typical Son!c role makes it no less unlikely that it could be a fake claim. Everyone believed Devon's claim, so there's actually a logical assumption in thinking that Son!c has provided scum with fake claims. As mentioned several times, and even in this post too, I'm looking at gameplay. I think hjelp's play D1 and D2 was uncharacteristic of him as town (from what I learned from the other games with the Swede, which, granted, is a very thin basis), but then he voted Devon, so I don't think he is mafia. He could've just let the time run out. However, I'm not discounting him as 3rd party.

And yes, you "know" we have a doc. I don't. I have to take your word for it. All that I can see is that you're connected to halrob by clearing him and Darin by knowing of his existence only. Not his alignment. While I haven't read the poems, I think hjelp mused about the existence of a mafia doc. Does your PM, Charle (don't quote it), specifically state that there's a town doc, or does it just say doc?

To be honest, and please read this carefully rather than explode because it is about you, it would make sense to lynch halrob or Darin in order to establish if we can trust that Charle-halrob-Darin combo. Saying that there must be two baddies between Devante-Loose-me makes for two possible mislynches. Let's do that math:
- 7 players alive (5 town, 2 baddies).
- Mislynch and two deaths --> 4 players alive (3 or 2 town, 1 or 2 baddies)
- Mislynch and two deaths --> game over

Just saying that we have to think this through, and I'm happy that everyone has eased off the trigger. Regarding having halrob or me claiming, you know what to do. You cannot expect us to want to claim straight away because you feel like it. If I thought it beneficial to claim, I would do so. I just don't trust who's who enough just now.

EBWOP - fixed quote. Ignore above.

[Charle]

Thanks Ragian, I take your point. My role say I will get an accurate result unless I am saved by the Doc when it will be the opposite result.

Is there a reason why you cannot tell us what your role is and whether you received some info to date?

[halrob64]

Your making some interesting points Ragian, I might have missed it but what is your claim? Interesting that you want to move away from Loose and Devante to now lynching me and Darin.
As you are keen to risk the wrong result why not lynch you Ragian?
Please confirm your role.
Devante, you have changed stance from not having your role kick in yet to partial kick in.
Same question does it involve cutting in on the death of a cop or doc. Also is your power for the good of town, for good of mafia/3P?

[Ragian]

@Charle, so basically it says "the doc". As in there is just one. But it doesn't say if that doc is scum or town. And no, there is no mod offered reason that I haven't claimed, but claiming is not beneficial in and off itself. Scum already knows who is town and claiming willy-nilly just gives them a buffet to choose from. Some things should be left in the dark for scum.

@halrob, I'm not saying that we should go away from what I stated earlier. I'm floating an idea. I tried to make that quite evident. You will see that I've stated earlier today that I think the lynch will be between those two. I can only decide my own vote. I can't force either of you. Lord knows I want to, though

If you choose to lynch me, I can do nothing about that except calling you bad mafia players. My gameplay should indicate very clearly that I am not mafia. Obviously, you can still think that I'm 3rd party, so there's that. And if you feel most comfortable lynching me, I think you should do that. First, however, I'd like to see a case against me based on more than that lazy "well, I know that these people are town, so one of the rest must be non-town" because you don't know. Charle might know about halrob, but the evidence that Darin is town is circumstantial, and the evidence that hjelp is town is even more flimsy.

[Loose Canon]

Probably gonna guarantee my mislynch by saying this but truth is truth.

My cop role notification was very standard and made no reference to doctor.

Charle s apparently did though.

[Ragian]

See, gameplay-wise, I don't feel like lynching you.

[halrob64]

Ragian,
I'm not advocating lynching you, I get the floating an idea. I agree about not claiming for the sake of it. Claiming elaborate roles especially seem suspicious in the context of Devon's claim earlier. Then turning out to be Godfather.
even though I'm keeping my vote on Loose at the moment, I constantly struggle with Devante and the role in the future, oh actually its started.
I think the questions posed:
When does the role fully kick in
Does it need a death to kick in
Is the role beneficial to town and how
I don't see that violating the terms of role in revealing that information.

[Ragian]

I agree with you on that, halrob. Devante is an unknown and has made is clear that he cannot role reveal. That is an unknown that probably sits badly with everyone else.

[hjelp]

Regarding my style of game play. The former game (my first game ever) I got killed, was it N2? Anyhow to early in my own opinion. You say I play different, then I do because I didn't won the game. EW got killed N2, will he change his play-style or will he continue the same. Probably the same, since playing a lot of games and developed a strategy how to play this game. I haven't yet since it's my second game.
I can say though, most players don't claim their roles unless risk of being lynched, as I have learnt so far. I use "citations" as "fact" and to build my posts. Maybe it won't say anything or maybe it does.

@ Ragian

With 11 alive it takes 6 to lynch!


“Good morning, Doc, my dear,”
Said Dino smooth, with charm sincere.
...
...
Luigi laughed, his grin too wide,
“Consultancy, Doc — ’cause we’re on your side.”

...

Luigi leaned close, his voice a hum,
“Remember, Doc — results must come.”
He opened his suitcase, flicked a switch — the lights went red.

The Doctor froze — then saw the sign:
His own creation, by design.
The Reid Machine, cold, gleamed divine —
The Doctor’s guilt… his Frankenstein.

And as it hummed, he heard them say,
“— it’s just our way.”

This is "citation" is what I use as "fact". I was thinking that the Doc turned to a bomber mafia or an alter ego Doc. There were no explosions later on so I figured that it is an alter ego Doc. So if it was a town Doc, now it is a mafia Doc. It's nothing strange to assume that.
What is strange though, Darin claimed Town Doc after I posted this assumption. It seems very strange to me that Darin claims Town Doc knowing that there might be a Town Doc turned into a Mafia Doc.
I think the last Mafia is Doc and Ambusher since

Who Killed Kongming?

The lanterns flickered, minds grew cold,
Kongming’s secrets left untold.
A schemer’s wit, a master’s role—
But tell me, was a grassy knoll involved?

The players whisper, eyes that dart,
Each with guilt stitched through their heart.
Deception weaves, alliances dissolve—
And still we ask: was a grassy knoll involved?

The night was long, the candles low,
A shadow moved — a fatal blow.
Now silence reigns where plans evolved…
Who killed Kongming? Was a grassy knoll involved?

"Grassy knoll" can be referred to an anbush happend in Ireland and since Son!c also sort of Irish Styled some posts during Haloween that would make sense.

There is one Maifa left and for the moment being, a lot points towards Loose Canon.
But there is one thing regardin Devante.

A question for Devante. Does your role come into play if a certain player is taken out in N3? ie if a cop or the Doc is killed does your role come into play?

Yes. And it is partially kicked in now and because of that I wanted more discussion and a few things don't make sense to me with claims and there is at least one missing claim because of my role

Assume that Devante's role that kicks in is Doc.
Assume that Devante is the one turned to the third Mafia having the role Ambusher from start and now also will have the role as Doc? partially kicked in.
strike wolf was Mafia Framer.
Devon99 was Mafia Godfather Odd Nights.

[hjelp]

It would be rather strange if Devante is Vanilla Town for three days and soon three nights without having an activated added role yet?
Devon99 was Vanilla Town but Godfather already N1.

[halrob64]

I think the Doc role is dodgy the poem seems to point that way, I think the switch thrown turning red may be where the town doc switches to mafia. Or maybe its a reference to protecting the town cop, Charle said his information would be reversed in that case.
So maybe the doc and a claimant to town cop are tied in together.

[halrob64]

by hjelp » Mon Nov 24, 2025 6:36 am

It would be rather strange if Devante is Vanilla Town for three days and soon three nights without having an activated added role yet?
Devon99 was Vanilla Town but Godfather already N1.

I agree, well I have posed the questions to Devante lets see if we get any answers.

[halrob64]

“The Doctor’s Oath”

In alleys where the shadows breathe
And secrets rot beneath the light,
A doctor walks with quiet steps—
A saint by day, a wolf by night.

His coat is white, his pockets black,
Stuffed full with bribes and whispered threats;
He patches bullet holes for cash,
And sells out friends for deeper debts.

He checks your pulse with steady hands,
But mercy’s never guaranteed;
For loyalty is bought and sold
Like any vice or planted seed.

He’ll stitch you up if payments flow,
Or let you bleed for choosing wrong;
A healer twisted by the game,
A sinner hiding in a song.

So trust him not when night grows thin—
His scalpel smiles, his mask deceives;
For in a world of guns and lies,
The dirtiest hands wear doctors’ sleeves.

[Charle]

If the doc is mafia, how can it be that he protects me? It specifically mention if the doctor protects you then your results are opposite.

@Ragian, can there be a mafia doc? What would his purpose be?

[halrob64]

I don't know Charle, its just the way the poem is constructed it came to mind. More so the switch to red so maybe that's what it means it skews your result. the inference is that the doc acts for the mafia at times.
Maybe I'm reading it wrong...or there are 2 cops and Loose is the dodgy one.

[Devante]

Ragian,
I'm not advocating lynching you, I get the floating an idea. I agree about not claiming for the sake of it. Claiming elaborate roles especially seem suspicious in the context of Devon's claim earlier. Then turning out to be Godfather.
even though I'm keeping my vote on Loose at the moment, I constantly struggle with Devante and the role in the future, oh actually its started.
I think the questions posed:
When does the role fully kick in
Does it need a death to kick in
Is the role beneficial to town and how
I don't see that violating the terms of role in revealing that information.

When does the role fully kick in - when associated role is not available to be used or is damaged
Does it need a death to kick in - death or "damage" from a non town player
Is the role beneficial to town and how - yes it is a town role and I am town. It takes over associated role that is no longer in play or has been damaged and possibly soon to be out of play

[Devante]

It would be rather strange if Devante is Vanilla Town for three days and soon three nights without having an activated added role yet?
Devon99 was Vanilla Town but Godfather already N1.

Not vanilla town. I stated I am a town PR but role was not activated yet when I stated that D1 & D2

[hjelp]

@ Loose Canon

Charle may be right that Devon is a baddun, but it seems to me the way he gets there is flawed.
Charle and me could actually both be right - Devon could be Mafia and Devante could be 3P.

The current evidence on Devon it seems to me is that Charle claims cop and Devon claimed 50% cop so therefore Devon must be lying.

...
Devante has voted all over the place, and arguably has tried everything to divert attention, so I don't see how Charle can currently think Devon is more likely to be a baddun than Devante.

If it was just about feel of who might be mafia, or process of elimination Devon is likely mafia I'd agree with Charle.
...

So yes Devon is under suspicion but currently for me less so than Devante.

....

I'm sticking with Devante D2 because I put to you guys that it is more solid than Devon at the present time.

You posted this D2 and you investigated Devon99 N1.
How come you still argued for Devon99 to be Mafia when your investigation showed he wasn't Mafia ?

[hjelp]

or she, I don't know if Devon99 is he or she ...

[halrob64]

Well I think thats the post of the day jhelp, not sure how you deal with that one Loose?

[hjelp]

@ Devante

...
When does the role fully kick in - when associated role is not available to be used or is damaged
Does it need a death to kick in - death or "damage" from a non town player
Is the role beneficial to town and how - yes it is a town role and I am town. It takes over associated role that is no longer in play or has been damaged and possibly soon to be out of play

I this the very smae ver large community sword you earlier asked for?

also drunk sonic what is my non-disclosure condition? Do I finally get the very LARGE SWORD I asked for

Ok.. since im apparently drunk i'll play along..It's a Long Way to Tipperary for you to recieve that VERY LARGE COMMUNITY SWORD...

You got 5 additional conditions Dev in your welcome post...

Your condition n°4
"You may not directly claim this knowledge in thread or claim to be the ? (the host enforces silence by rule). Faillure to do so will result in your and the ? instant death."

[Devante]

@ Devante

...
When does the role fully kick in - when associated role is not available to be used or is damaged
Does it need a death to kick in - death or "damage" from a non town player
Is the role beneficial to town and how - yes it is a town role and I am town. It takes over associated role that is no longer in play or has been damaged and possibly soon to be out of play

I this the very smae ver large community sword you earlier asked for?

also drunk sonic what is my non-disclosure condition? Do I finally get the very LARGE SWORD I asked for

Ok.. since im apparently drunk i'll play along..It's a Long Way to Tipperary for you to recieve that VERY LARGE COMMUNITY SWORD...

You got 5 additional conditions Dev in your welcome post...

Your condition n°4
"You may not directly claim this knowledge in thread or claim to be the ? (the host enforces silence by rule). Faillure to do so will result in your and the ? instant death."

There is no large community sword that I am aware of. That was a joke in reference to a game we played a while back where there was a sword in play and since then it's kinda become a running gag in subsequent games. I thought sonic was posting drunk nonsense so made a joke with the sword but it turns out he was reminding me of the conditions I got with original pm which I overlooked since I wasn't really an active role yet. Main condition there was I was about to claim my role which is specifically laid out in my conditions by the mod that if I did so it would result in mine and the other associated roles death. Mainly I think it's set-up that way because of the other info I started with and have been given which I cannot directly reveal but as town have to use to help other townies with. Hence the constant comments of read between the lines I keep saying to you guys. It's all a part of this reid theme mod is doing and personally I think he's enjoying the squirming I'm stuck doing trying to say something indirectly so as not to break any conditions. This part of the role sucks lol