[OFFICIAL] Charle's Fun Mafia - "Game On" Day 4

[Loose Canon]

Agreed, everything changes or at least has to be reassessed.

I want to hear where rag is at so I'll say where I'm at.

A jail keeper, a town cop, a town tracker, and 2 town protectives would be way too much.
Jail keeper is dead.
It is pretty nailed on that ew has to be lynched today as he knew too much, apart from anything else. And that knowledge could only be gleaned from a second mafia.
That second mafia is probably one of the cop and 2 protectives, because a jail keeper, cop and 2 protectives is still probably too much power for town.
Rag and sonic suspect each other - with justification I must add.
Cop as mafia cop would I suggest fit best with what tempted extreme into his play.
I'm putting Halrob at 40% probability of mafia.
Sonic at 30%
Ragian at 30%

Really lynching extreme today, and reassessing after night results is the best course for town.

Do you agree rag.

Other town please at least get on board with the extreme lynch.
Town wins or loses together whether dead or alive when the final result is known.

[halrob64]

From my perspective If I am an honest cop (which I am of course) then I assume I was protected by a law abiding citizen who could be the town doctor, mayor or judge.
If I have been bought by the mafia then one can only assume that person is mafia him/herself.
I think some people are trying to fit the mafia suspect/crooked cop angle to suit their own theories.

[Charle]

Vote Count:

EW (2) - Loose, Sonic
Kingm (1) - EW
Ragian (1) - Ragian

No Lynch - Devon

[Loose Canon]

I didn't register the no lynch Devon, I thought you had just unvoted

No lynch is incorrect, if you are not going to lynch today, with the overwhelming evidence on ew then you never are.
Nothing is ever certain in mafia games, but the probability that extreme is not mafia is perhaps 5%.
Feel free to argue or ask for re-establishing case v extreme, but no lynch vote doesn't work.

[Ragian]

If I agree? Of course not. I think my position is pretty clear. We lynch either me or Son!c. No way we're both protective roles. At least make Son!c claim. I can't believe that you give him a pass despite him being all over the shop. Now, he's voting EW because he's gauging you guys in order to play the safest lynch while appearing to be doing it in town's interest.

NO WAY there are three protective roles in a game this size. Come ON, people.

[SoN!c]

If I agree? Of course not. I think my position is pretty clear. We lynch either me or Son!c. No way we're both protective roles. At least make Son!c claim. I can't believe that you give him a pass despite him being all over the shop. Now, he's voting EW because he's gauging you guys in order to play the safest lynch while appearing to be doing it in town's interest.

NO WAY there are three protective roles in a game this size. Come ON, people.

Lynching you is what id like most yes

[SoN!c]

Also, since your back id like to ask you this as i've been thinking on it myself pretty hard lately:

Charles loves role-heavy swingy games. Having 3 protectives makes sense in that context. For all we know, scum might even have a protective role of their own. If that’s true, then seeing three protective claims isn’t a red flag like my initial idea — it’s balance.
This is Charles’s FUN MAFIA setup after all: expected to be role-heavy for sure, swingy, and deliberately a littlebit weird id say but very balanced too. I think this is Charle's first bastard game. You really think it’s impossible that he’d throw in extra protection when we already saw two townies die N1? Having multiple protectives isn’t overpowered in this environment — it’s necessary redundancy if balanced with heavy scum counterplay (f.e. a strongman, roleblocks, multiple NKs).

1 Doctor (after protecting the same person twice, must skip one night or cannot self‐protect in same way), 1 JK (who can mess town up too) and 1 bodyguard / gardian angel. Could it?

Second : what is your opinion on EW "getting extremely lucky on you"? Your laser focussed on me alone and not commenting this lottery win luck is pretty bizarre for a town Ragian

[Ragian]

You're pretty selective with what a town me does. Vote me so town can vote you off tomorrow. I'm not going into a hypothetical about Charle's preferences or the luck of EW. I do know, however, to the extent that a town player can know, that there's no way that every fourth player in this game is a protective role.

Vote me, Son!c. Put your vote where your mouth is.

[SoN!c]

You're pretty selective with what a town me does. Vote me so town can vote you off tomorrow. I'm not going into a hypothetical about Charle's preferences or the luck of EW. I do know, however, to the extent that a town player can know, that there's no way that every fourth player in this game is a protective role.

Vote me, Son!c. Put your vote where your mouth is.

Sure vote Ragian

[SoN!c]

Unvote EW

Vote Ragian

And promise me this: no backing out last minute Rags !

[Ragian]

I can't make promises on your behalf. Remember, you're getting lynched tomorrow. None of your, "Well, I guess Rags played it call wrong," shenanigans in order to save your hint D3.

[SoN!c]

Hahaha

We both know this is classic Ragian gameplay. Bluff to the max, hoping rest of town will switch and then in the morning you wil say (and i quote):

"Well, I guess SoN!c played it call wrong i guess."

[SoN!c]

By the way : your pushing too hard.

Look up Strike his last post-game post in the SK game you won

That is your scumtell because pushing one narrative is all you did here.

Ragian: What made you suspect me, if you would?

Strike wolf: Id have to go back and look to find the exact post but as I remember, you said something that reminded me a lot on how you pushed accusations in the last game we were scum together.

[SoN!c]

No reaction whatsoever.. pitty because actions are about generating pressure and reads, not “forcing a narrative.” Town needs to press, question, and adjust as new info comes in and out. That’s what I’m doing. And more should do the same. The more you post the more we can analyze.

Town needs pressure to generate reads. Im sure on Ragian but it just a dogfight for one bone. 4 bones to find.. Ask yourself: who benefits most from this dogpile? Silent scum. They sit back, let me and Ragian fight, then happily push whichever wagon is easier. But D2 is still long.

[halrob64]

Sonic,
You are right, my issue is also that there are a number of players who don't seem to be making any contribution at all.
I had Ragian in my sights as you know, EW I think has tried to cloud the issue all the way through, Loose I have no current issue but Chan I think is very devious in all this and I'm assuming Max has been kicked out as I have not seen any posts?

[Loose Canon]

Sonic, you have claimed town and I think you have admitted visiting Halrob - correct?

Have you actually claimed town protective though?

[SoN!c]

Sonic, you have claimed town and I think you have admitted visiting Halrob - correct?

Have you actually claimed town protective though?

Yes i said so from the start confirming EW.. did you miss it? I called Ragian a liar. But Ragian was acting like he didnt see EW's posts on the subject - claimed "on hiking trip", but that can't be true because he reacted to my posts at the same time. You simply can't have read my posts but claim to have missed EW's completely when: they are practically next to each other and have the same subject. You need to have read one to understand the other.. And Rag only admittted EW to be true on him after a very long struggle. And he does not seem to question the "pure luck". So yes Ragian should claim first now, but also : we should not make scum wiser going into N2.. That is why i requestioned him. If town and PR i think Ragian is veteran enough to think beyond this day.

[Loose Canon]

I wasn't sure if I'd assumed it sonic so just asked you quickly.

Thanks

[Loose Canon]

Actually truth be told I'll fess up.
I was wondering if you might be a fruit seller.
Takes my cred to zero I guess.

[Extreme Ways]

Agreed, everything changes or at least has to be reassessed.

I want to hear where rag is at so I'll say where I'm at.

A jail keeper, a town cop, a town tracker, and 2 town protectives would be way too much.
Jail keeper is dead.
It is pretty nailed on that ew has to be lynched today as he knew too much, apart from anything else. And that knowledge could only be gleaned from a second mafia.
That second mafia is probably one of the cop and 2 protectives, because a jail keeper, cop and 2 protectives is still probably too much power for town.
Rag and sonic suspect each other - with justification I must add.
Cop as mafia cop would I suggest fit best with what tempted extreme into his play.
I'm putting Halrob at 40% probability of mafia.
Sonic at 30%
Ragian at 30%

Really lynching extreme today, and reassessing after night results is the best course for town.

Do you agree rag.

Other town please at least get on board with the extreme lynch.
Town wins or loses together whether dead or alive when the final result is known.

And what percentages in the case where I am town?

I will be the light at the end of the tunnel.

[Devon99]

Okay so back from the wedding and then ended up in hospital, nothing serious but I have ridiculously large swelling on my face. Apparently the soloution to my problem according to the best medical advice I could get on a townsperson salary is to suck on a lemon. Who would of thought it.

I did have some time free on Sunday to study the chat but feeling a bit lost I decided start from "Game On" and create my own log blanking out all the nonsense stuff that had no relevance to the game. The problem is that was taking far too long (I mean hours and hours).

So I'm going to agree that we need a lynch of some sort before nightfall. I'm gonna go in the direction I already see this going so

unvote no lynch

vote Raigan

[Maxleod]

Vote king

Also, rags is full of shit, we'll lynch him tomorrow.

[Loose Canon]

Extreme, you claim it was by chance that you put rag in the mix with sonic.
Putting sonic in the mix in the first place was more likely if you'd been watching who visited Halrob than if you'd been tracking sonic.
Then putting ragian in the mix randomly which would have been 1 in 10.
Sure looks like nefarious knowledge which you didn't think would be called out came into play.

You are asking the rest, with me as an outside possibility of convincing to allow ourselves to think you might be a shining light.

I'd expect a legacy thinking from a town extreme on the verge of being mislynched.
You are not yet on the verge though heaven knows you should be and you know that too - whether 95% mafia extreme or 5% town extreme

What on earth was going through your mind D2?
Call this question as partly a chance to appeal to town and partly an episode one of a two episode series before being lynched.

Fpd multiple times

[Loose Canon]

Vote king

Also, rags is full of shit, we'll lynch him tomorrow.

But don't you think the evidence on extreme is far more compelling, than either king or rags?
How can you not?

[Devon99]

Vote king

Also, rags is full of shit, we'll lynch him tomorrow.

Please can you offer a quick explantion as to why when you vote, there are 32 pages of chat to scroll through, so I'm sticking to the red comments mostly and you have voted many times without explantion.

That might be the norm, I wouldn't know but others seem to offer up a reason and if you want to help out newbie please can you follow suit.