[OFFICIAL] Charle's Fun Mafia - "Game On" Day 4

[halrob64]

VOTE CHANAKAM

[halrob64]

VOTE CHANAKAM

[halrob64]

sorry guys for some reason the font colour wont come up, will try again

[halrob64]

VOTE CHANAKAM

[halrob64]

VOTE CHANAKAM

[halrob64]

Hurrah got there, the reason, Chan is a chancer in this game, I don't think he knows what to do without his AI buddy

[chanakam2020]

VOTE CHANAKAM

Ok Halrob. Explain me why you decided to vote me immediatly after I asked explanation from Extreme Ways ,
Why he wanted to put you to L-1 in this reply ?
https://www.conquerclub.com/forum/viewt ... 0#p5364472

Does your vote have to do some thing with I questioning Extreme Ways
Or ?
Do you have some other reason ?

[chanakam2020]

Hurrah got there, the reason, Chan is a chancer in this game, I don't think he knows what to do without his AI buddy

Oh I posted my above reply without seeing this.
I only saw your Voting attempts with no reasons.
So you are not accepting my apology I posted in this reply
& Even after I promised not to use AI for this game any more ?

https://www.conquerclub.com/forum/viewt ... 5#p5364247

[Loose Canon]

I think extreme has made a decent potential mafia tell observation on kingm.

Following game avidly and kicking himself for unjoining, but needing to read or reread when following game avidly.
Could indeed be a mafia tell on kingm

[Ragian]

If so, it's interesting that he unvotes Chana.

[Extreme Ways]

VOTE CHANAKAM

Ok Halrob. Explain me why you decided to vote me immediatly after I asked explanation from Extreme Ways ,
Why he wanted to put you to L-1 in this reply ?
https://www.conquerclub.com/forum/viewt ... 0#p5364472

Does your vote have to do some thing with I questioning Extreme Ways
Or ?
Do you have some other reason ?

Any reason why you choose to reply to this post, but not to my post (also: I never advocated halrob to be put to L-1 and I didnt vote myself precisely for that reason)?

[Extreme Ways]

I think extreme has made a decent potential mafia tell observation on kingm.

Following game avidly and kicking himself for unjoining, but needing to read or reread when following game avidly.
Could indeed be a mafia tell on kingm

I think you put more weight to it then I do, but I will leave kingm to confirm it.

Spoiler

theres a fleeting memory of kingm doing something similar - reading the game again - when he subbed in another game. I am not going to look for the example

[Loose Canon]

Now I'm the Christian between 2 lions.

Rag says if so interesting king unvoted Chana
Extreme says I think more of it than he does.

[SoN!c]

Very interesting these last 24 hours. And also now another 24 hours 'ish before deadline..

EW ghosted out the entire week (98 hours) D1 before deadline when he was scum with me. With good explanation in night chat. Now its 100% the opposite including a massive "EW-unlike" long post and being omni-present. I wonder if EW remembers his ghosting out strategy and doing the exact opposite for that reason.?

Then EW also backs down on his own good call on Kingm's post. I was thinking the exact same thing. But now it's "i don't really think that much of it". ??? Where is the pressure on Kingm (DDS) now?

Anyways, the only thing that seems sure is that newbie Chanakam and mastermind EW seem very much opposite alligned. So i'll poker along and vote Chanakam to see everybody"s pokerface and where to tie EW in on all this.

Remember: DDS voted Chanakam out of pure frustration and said he did not want to play anymore.. Mindblowing frustration levels..There must be a reason to lose control like that. Chanakam and DDS both scum is what i think. DDS getting supermad on his scumbuddy Chanakam when he posted that AI thing?

Because DDS was n°3 on the sus list with Max the top target. I can see a newbie Chanakam posting that list with his scumbud on place 3. He (Chanakam) voted Max when posting that list. Max was the target, not DDS.. Nobody would really look at third place on some stupid AI list except Loose because Loose has a special place in his hearth for Max. Something Chanakam would not know. The list triggered loose his voting on DDS and DDS flipped knowing Loose on your back is very hard to shake off. And all thanks to his own scumbuddy on D1

[Extreme Ways]

Very interesting these last 24 hours. And also now another 24 hours 'ish before deadline..

EW ghosted out the entire week (98 hours) D1 before deadline when he was scum with me. With good explanation in night chat. Now its 100% the opposite including a massive "EW-unlike" long post and being omni-present. I wonder if EW remembers his ghosting out strategy and doing the exact opposite for that reason.?

Then EW also backs down on his own good call on Kingm's post. I was thinking the exact same thing. But now it's "i don't really think that much of it". ??? Where is the pressure on Kingm (DDS) now?

Anyways, the only thing that seems sure is that newbie Chanakam and mastermind EW seem very much opposite alligned. So i'll poker along and vote Chanakam to see everybody"s pokerface and where to tie EW in on all this.

Remember: DDS voted Chanakam out of pure frustration and said he did not want to play anymore.. Mindblowing frustration levels..There must be a reason to lose control like that. Chanakam and DDS both scum is what i think. DDS getting supermad on his scumbuddy Chanakam when he posted that AI thing?

Because DDS was n°3 on the sus list with Max the top target. I can see a newbie Chanakam posting that list with his scumbud on place 3. He (Chanakam) voted Max when posting that list. Max was the target, not DDS.. Nobody would really look at third place on some stupid AI list except Loose because Loose has a special place in his hearth for Max. Something Chanakam would not know. The list triggered loose his voting on DDS and DDS flipped knowing Loose on your back is very hard to shake off. And all thanks to his own scumbuddy on D1

I dont thin kas much of it because I think kingm has done the same before, though I forgot his alignment in that game. I want kingm to cite it instead of to look for it myself.

Idk my reasons in that game but this game is different because there's more activity. I doubt we'll get an elimination in still but to put it bluntly I am having more fun in this game.

[Kingm]

Welcome Kingm !

Very happy Kingm is here xD

But also a bit dissapointed in DDS

Thanks mate, I'm looking forward to hopefully be fully active for the first time in my mafia games history on CC.
I have been hunting vowels, sleeping and playing clangames today, so I have not had time to check into mafia today, but I see now that there has been ton of activity since I joined, so time to catch up

[Kingm]

Kingm replaced DDS.

The vote from DDS against Chana still stands until King decides to change the vote.

Welcome King, enjoy the game and thanks for standing in!

Have fun!!

My pleasure, I was kicking myself for withdrawing, so I'm happy to playing now.
I have been eagerly following the game, but just as a neutral spectator, now I probably have to read it all again.

For now Unvote Chana, have to make up my own mind first.

Why do you have to read it again?

Does your rolecard tell you you need to push out townies?

First of all, nice playing with you to EW
And why are you jumping down the throat at everyone, like this feels a bit scummy to me, trying you best to appear as townish and helpful as possible, but hmm then again you always play this way (at least thats what I feel), so I will not read to much into that, but I will have it in the back of my head for later.

And my comment to read it all again is really more a figure of speak, but I actually think I'm going to do it, and that is something I would do with any role at all, because when I was reading all the jibber jabber here earlier, I was not thinking about who is town, who is scum, who tries to play town etc.
And maybe if I give it another read it, I will find something, and help us lynch one of the scum, ok probably not D1, since I'm not sure how much I will be able to go through today, but hopefully everything during the weekend.

[Kingm]

As for my own solving:
https://www.conquerclub.com/forum/viewt ... 0#p5364365
I push Kingm on a stupid technicality because the wording of this pings me the hell of. Either he has been eagerly following and has an idea about the game, or he hasn't. Re-reading implies that after receiving his rolecard he now has a new pov. And to some extent that's true, as he now knows DDS' role. But the way it is presented reads more like "now that I know I'm scum, I need to re-read what everyone said to see what I can push"

I think you can call my whole pushing you as solving. I'm trying to figure out your alignment.

While the premise of this post is outdated: https://www.conquerclub.com/forum/viewt ... 0#p5364293
I call out Sonic for unvoting someone for what I thought was poor arguments, not realising he had already voted someone else. The thought being that I didn't understand why he would unvote you all of a sudden when the priors of his vote on you hadn't changed.

In general, you can see me pushing some buttons and back off/push more depending on responses.
https://www.conquerclub.com/forum/viewt ... 5#p5364058
I ask you to explain your vote, and this post ultimately leads to me voting you. I am asking questions, and doing things with the answers I get. You vote Sonic for going to Kreta. I vote you because the reasoning has no meat.

https://www.conquerclub.com/forum/viewt ... 0#p5363882
This whole interaction with Sonic you can try to analyse too. It's consistent in that I was once again wondering from what place a vote came from (feeling like just following me), except this time I accepted the explanation as probably town.
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Yes, I make general posts about mafia theory too. No, I do not count those as solving. What I like to see is people taking stances on people whether right or wrong, and figure out of there's some internal logic that lead to that stance. Whether some logic is lacking. Whether that implies they should be doing something else.

For example: Sonic/Ragian are (to the best of my memory) currently not townreading each other. I am townreading Ragian, and to a certain extent townreading Sonic. Based on this, do you expect me to address them both and see if I can help them find each other as town? I'm not doing that because I am not confident enough in my townreads, and because some of the points they have mentioned make sense.

I'm also reluctantly townreading hjelp just based on energy and vibes, and townreading Loose. I am forced to townread halrob, and think his claim is true.

I am not townreading you so when a light townread of mine, Sonic, backs off, I do question it. Even if I missed the part in between where Sonic voted DDS.

Now, can you do the same for your reads on some players?

I probably should have read all the post before posting, but I'm reading 1 and 1 from when I joined, and comment.
So already answered this kinda I feel, but I have been reading everything, but when I was a spectator I was like looking into the thread when there wore new post, and I was watching TV or chatting about a turn etc. at the same time, and just read fast what was written.
And I try to play this game the same as CC, I can sit here for a long time to see if there actually is some info behind the words that I have not picked up, so now that I'm in the game I feel its absolutist worth it for me to read it all from the first post.

And I see you explain your pushes, so I was right in my last post, this is just you playstyle (I love it btw), and I should not read to much into that.

BTW you should not read to much into me rereading everything either, I'm on disability and I treat CC as my job, so when I'm awake, I'm usually on CC, at least 95% of the time

[Kingm]

I think extreme has made a decent potential mafia tell observation on kingm.

Following game avidly and kicking himself for unjoining, but needing to read or reread when following game avidly.
Could indeed be a mafia tell on kingm

Ok, maybe I worded it a bit wrong, but look at my latest posts.
I have read everything here, but at least for me its 2 different things playing and being a spectator.

And the reason I withdrew, 2 days before start, was that I was having a bad period (like I have in the last couple of mafia games I played). Where I had almost no energy and I did not want to be an inactive player, but then like 2 days after the game started, my energy rose to the best it has been for like a year, and its still at the same lvl.
That's why I was kicking myself for withdrawing.

[Kingm]

If so, it's interesting that he unvotes Chana.

Hey mr, neighbor (I'm from Norway, Ragian from Denmark).
I guess it me you are referring too?

It was not my vote, so I want to make my own decisions, and not vote somebody because of the AI drama, so maybe I vote chana again after I have reread the thread, maybe not.

But like I said, it was a vote from the player I replaced, and I would probably always unvote a vote when joining as a sub, trying to find a scenario where I would keep the vote, but that would probably be if it was info from an investigator that town trust or something like that.

[Kingm]

I think extreme has made a decent potential mafia tell observation on kingm.

Following game avidly and kicking himself for unjoining, but needing to read or reread when following game avidly.
Could indeed be a mafia tell on kingm

I think you put more weight to it then I do, but I will leave kingm to confirm it.

Spoiler

theres a fleeting memory of kingm doing something similar - reading the game again - when he subbed in another game. I am not going to look for the example

This is the first time I ever subbed in, I'm 99% sure of that. hehe

[chanakam2020]

VOTE CHANAKAM

Ok Halrob. Explain me why you decided to vote me immediatly after I asked explanation from Extreme Ways ,
Why he wanted to put you to L-1 in this reply ?
https://www.conquerclub.com/forum/viewt ... 0#p5364472

Does your vote have to do some thing with I questioning Extreme Ways
Or ?
Do you have some other reason ?

Any reason why you choose to reply to this post, but not to my post (also: I never advocated halrob to be put to L-1 and I didnt vote myself precisely for that reason)?

I have answerd to you here
https://www.conquerclub.com/forum/viewt ... 0#p5364472
Did you actually missed to read my reply
or
Are you pretending that you did not see it to skip answering my question ?
.
Here I am copying and pasting it again for you.
.

@Extreme Ways

Now this is becoming interesting and worthy analyze

Your hesitancy on bringing Halrob to L-1 is indeed a post worthy of some alignment.

How can I put Halrob to L-1 . Because when Halrob was put to L-2 & when he made claim my vote is already in that 5 votes there and
I cannot vote twice. And Explain me why you expected to put some one claimed town power role to L-1 after he claimed power role & there was no counter claim. Now this is very suspecious to me.

That's how you decide to read my post. I said that you preferring others not to put him in hammer range (=execution range) is indeed something which helps in telling your alignment. I didn't say it makes you scummy, or towny for that matter.

Your hesitancy on bringing Halrob to L-1 is indeed a post worthy of some alignment.

You did not answer my most important question here.
Why Did you wanted to keep my vote to Halrob without Unvoting him and put Halrob in L-1 even after he claimed that he is town and holding a power role for town.
He made his claim when he was in L-2.

This is the vote count when Halrob is in L-2 .

Vote Count:

Halrob (5) - Loose, Sonic, Darin, Chanakam, Max
Loose (1) - hjelp
Darin (1) - Kong
hjelp (1) - Devon

13 Alive - 7 Needed for a Lynch

You have not voted at that point. Still you was expecting someone else to put Halrob to L-1
And you are not casting that 6th Vote putting Halrob to L-1.
So why you wanted to some one else put him to L-1 instead doing it by yourself even ahfte he claim powr role at L-2?
You waited If some one put him to L-1 then To cast 7th Vote and nail the coffin ?
Or
if players did not put Halrob to L-1 then stay away from voting him and act innocient ?
Explain.

And Here is a Lie detected Alert

(also: I never advocated halrob to be put to L-1 and I didnt vote myself precisely for that reason)?

You have clearly said L-1.
You asked me why I unvoted Halrob before someone putting him to L-1 from L-2
In case if you forgot what you wrote let me recite it for you.
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Your hesitancy on bringing Halrob to L-1 is indeed a post worthy of some alignment.

How can I put Halrob to L-1 . Because when Halrob was put to L-2 & when he made claim my vote is already in that 5 votes there and
I cannot vote twice. And Explain me why you expected to put some one claimed town power role to L-1 after he claimed power role & there was no counter claim. Now this is very suspecious to me.

That's how you decide to read my post. I said that you preferring others not to put him in hammer range (=execution range) is indeed something which helps in telling your alignment. I didn't say it makes you scummy, or towny for that matter.

"Your hesitancy on bringing Halrob to L-1" = Me Unvoting Halrob After he claimed his Role and explaining my thought to others why I Unvoted
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Now your time to Explain why you wanted to keep my Vote without unvoting him till some one put him to L-1 ?

[Ragian]

@Kingm, fair point. And hi neighbour

My vote is where I find scumminess. I doesn't seem to be getting any traction, though.

[Charle]

Vote Count:

Chanakam (4) - Kong, EW, halrob, Sonic
halrob (2) - Max, Devon
Sonic (1) - Ragian

No Lynch (3) - Loose, Darin, hjelp

With 13 Alive - 7 Needed for a Lynch

D1 ends in 4 hours and 45 minutes

[Ragian]

We won't get a second claim in time. Perhaps looking back at whom seemingly delayed this intentionally may prove useful...