Ragian WINS The Mafiosi Vincent Vega Vengeful game

[SoN!c]

Official vote count


Traf (4) : Kongming, homer_jay, strike wolf, Charle
Charle (3) : Traf, Ragian, Loose Canon
Devante (1) : jfm10


COUNTDOWN TIMER D2

Just 4 days to lynch or no lynch!

[SoN!c]

[Loose Canon]

My vote is still on traf, if Max is oiled , kingm should probably be by now then not worth voting but Devante is not much help and combine the 3 it's a serious handicap for us. If Traf has a chance to survive a lynch then my vote would start it there.
vote Devante

You see I'm making a working assumption that you JFM, Rag, Kong and myself (but I would say that) are town.

Traf for a number of reasons but primarily his claimed visit to Max, is probably Mafia/Arsonist and probably feels resigned to being lynched today.
It would be an expensive mislynch though and I question its necessity today, but do think it would take something momentous for it not to happen.

Strike who I'm suspicious of is the big beast who I'd like to get a claim out of - if he's a Big Bad Wolf this game I'd like to see him accountable rest of the game for any claim that could be prised out of him.

My vote is currently on Charle and the clock is ticking down but I'm neutral on Charle, so I don't feel its for me to press him with something I don't feel now that he's claimed.
I want to support Rag though if he himself wants to go down the line of pressing Charle, or indeed if someone else wants to press Charle.
Traf pressing Charle though probably wouldn't do it for me.
What I will say to Traf though is - IF somehow he isn't lynched today, and IF he's town a nighttime investigation of Charle would be crazy (particularly as a jailkeeper might consider jailing Charle so a mafia Charle couldn't feel safe to carry out a kill tonight). But there's 2 very big IFs there.

I agree with you JFM on the 3 potential serious handicaps if town.

Wouldn't it therefore be better to have a go at pressurizing Strike who is a benefit if town but a big bad problem if not?

We don't know if a town Max will side with Strike come what may (Strike's left Max's quote of him being the only one with a functioning brain)
Strike's vote on Traf could either be opportunistic or sacrificing a perceived doomed fellow mafia - he'll be able to use it to persuade the 3 players whichever way later in the game.

I REALLY REALLY want to have a last go at pressurizing Strike into a claim D2.
(to cut off some wriggle room for a potential and on my part suspected mafiosi later on, and if wrong on my current suspicion to enable Strike to validate himself to all town later on)

[kongming3]

Going away and I'm not sure how much time I'll have for this before day's end so I'll just once again reiterate that I very much think key town roles should not be randomly claiming at this stage and that traf makes the most sense to lynch at this junction. There's a very limited amount of time left in the day, so I'd recommend town sort out votes in advance and make sure we're not left without a dance partner when day closes.

[Ragian]

unvote

Charle seems genuine in his postings. His drama of "everyone going for me is scum" is on par. I need to think about this.

@jfm, are you asking for a third claim?

[Loose Canon]

unvote Charle vote strike

[Ragian]

You also want a third claim, Loose?

[Loose Canon]

Yes on strike, I've explained my thinking rag.

[Ragian]

I wasn't asking about your thinking. I can read. Ish...

I fear three claims is pushing it D3.

[Maxleod]

I wasn't asking about your thinking. I can read. Ish...

I fear three claims is pushing it D3.

^This.

[jfm10]

unvote

Charle seems genuine in his postings. His drama of "everyone going for me is scum" is on par. I need to think about this.

@jfm, are you asking for a third claim?

We have 4 days left. Max comes by like Devante , says something , disappears with no votes or relevant suggestions that we can use , it feels like there's extra scum out there for the votes that will be needed.
Loose was chatting about Traf staying alive another night , you need to prove strike is scum for a lynch.
to keep Traf alive another night then Devante is where I would have to put my vote to get a scum response.

[SoN!c]

Official vote count


Traf (4) : Kongming, homer_jay, strike wolf, Charle
Charle (1) : Traf
Devante (1) : jfm10
Strike wolf (1) : Loose Canon


COUNTDOWN TIMER D2

Just 3 days to lynch or no lynch!

[Loose Canon]

JFM if Dev gets another vote and Strike doesn't with 2 Days on the countdown to go I'll switch.

I'll also leave it open to either to make a claim anyway if they feel it would benefit town - although I don't think they will.

Otherwise I think it will be decision time on whether to lynch Traf D2 or leave him for later.
Leaving him for later is an option.

I keep coming up with doubts as to whether Traf really is anti-town.
Current one Kong is you think Reporter is a role that is too modified to be town investigative.
I'm thinking on top of it being a too incredible role to be made up as a fake claim, it also gives balance for the arsonist to have a fair shot of winning....?
How sure are you in your heart that Traf is anti town?

I've been fluctuating between 60% and 80% sure.

[jfm10]

JFM if Dev gets another vote and Strike doesn't with 2 Days on the countdown to go I'll switch.

I'll also leave it open to either to make a claim anyway if they feel it would benefit town - although I don't think they will.

Otherwise I think it will be decision time on whether to lynch Traf D2 or leave him for later.
Leaving him for later is an option.

I keep coming up with doubts as to whether Traf really is anti-town.
Current one Kong is you think Reporter is a role that is too modified to be town investigative.
I'm thinking on top of it being a too incredible role to be made up as a fake claim, it also gives balance for the arsonist to have a fair shot of winning....?
How sure are you in your heart that Traf is anti town?

I've been fluctuating between 60% and 80% sure.

I see 8 voters , 2 others probably gel covered and Devante,
My fear is tomorrow we only have 4 votes and will need 5.
Traf strike Max play the silent game every game. I typed Dev in there as well but removed him.
Not sure if i am trying to fool myself , but is Dev not a lot quieter in this game then like every other game he is in?
I am more confident with Traf then anyone else.

[Ragian]

@Charle, given how you say that I should be held responsible for lynching you when you turn out town, would you take responsibility for lynching traf if he turns out town when lynched? I feel you're his most vocal accuser.

[Loose Canon]

Jfm im not sure if Dev is discernibly quieter, I have him pegged as pretty quiet early doors every game I've played with him.

But Dev at the minimum there is a challenge out there for you to give your best take on things as they stand currently......?

[jfm10]

@Charle, given how you say that I should be held responsible for lynching you when you turn out town, would you take responsibility for lynching traf if he turns out town when lynched? I feel you're his most vocal accuser.

From what I remember , you aimed at Traf and Loose pulled the first vote on Traf.
This game will be tough to win if the 4 on Traf are all town.

[Loose Canon]

Strike what is your current take on things?

Specifically do you want to try to drive home a lynch of Traf right now- argue for it more?

And are you willing to claim irrespective of lack of vote pressure?

[Ragian]

@Charle, given how you say that I should be held responsible for lynching you when you turn out town, would you take responsibility for lynching traf if he turns out town when lynched? I feel you're his most vocal accuser.

From what I remember , you aimed at Traf and Loose pulled the first vote on Traf.
This game will be tough to win if the 4 on Traf are all town.

I don't see how your post relates to my question to Charle. And this will be tough to win with only a handful of people really participating.

[Charle]

@Charle, given how you say that I should be held responsible for lynching you when you turn out town, would you take responsibility for lynching traf if he turns out town when lynched? I feel you're his most vocal accuser.

Yes sure, as mentioned earlier, I don't mind taking one for the team, and I really think with others that at this stage Traf seems the most guilty. That has nothing to do with his mistake of the arsonist (i did the same), but it is all about his claim that does not sits well with me. I can be wrong, nobody knows, but this is what I feel at the moment.

[Charle]

There is only one other possibility regarding Traf, maybe he gave us a false claim because he has a very important role like cop, but then he should tell us that and the doc or jailkeeper might be able to save him.

[Loose Canon]

FFS Charle wake up.

Traf gave a claim about being the town investigative role.
Ie a mod modified watered down cop. If he's telling the truth there is no other cop and no more important town role.
What makes it credible is the obscurity of reporter, it has to be a role provided by sonic either as a genuine role or a fake claim.
What makes it dubious is he claimed he used it on max n1 the one player who at that point had already said he'd done nothing n1.

[Kingm]

Posting first of all not to get primed.
I just have to say sorry, RL getting in the way lately, and my health is not the best these days, but I will push myself to spend a couple hours reading through everything in D2 at least, I have read everything, but thats just between the turn on CC etc, so I have not had time to think hard about it yet.

Again sorry, I will try to do better.

[Ragian]

Dude, don't push anything health-wise. It's just a game, man. I hope you're alright.

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Charle, I like your answer and posts of late. Annoyingly

[Ragian]

@Charle, let's say we lynch Traf and he flips town. Who among the current voters would you be sceptical about?