Ragian WINS The Mafiosi Vincent Vega Vengeful game

[Ragian]

Loose, you're playing the mod now.

@jfm, even if we are to lynch traf, there are more things to do today. Loads of people are coasting. Let's apply pressure there. We can always return to a traf lynch if that is town's decision.

[Ragian]

I don't feel a Traf lynch right now. I'd like to push kingm, kongming, devante, or (at least until semi cleared) max for not participating that much. Of the participants, I find Charle to be walking a tightrope while not committing to too much, and I always feel iffy about Strike.

I'd love to hear people's thoughts on other players, too. Come on, people.

[jfm10]

The point about Traf claiming is, unless someone says wait I have that role, I would have to clear Traf for now.
Where I am right now with Traf is this not quite claiming hardens my suspicions of him, but I'd be happy to be wrong with a claim.

I am suspicious of you and Ragian now.
If Traf answered anything but 1 he would get my vote on him, Why do you both seek more information?

I think I've written that a fair few times. Others have echoed it. When put at L-2, you claim. If we let go of that rule, there's no reason anyone should claim, which ends with town losing the ability of counterclaiming and vetting claims. Basically, not claiming at L-2 is anti-town. It is noted that jfm disregards that aspect.

FP'ed by Traf. Ironically.

If Traf is scum then you and loose need scum potential candidacy . Don't take it wrongly , the pair of you could still be the scum. My opinion is you are town though.

[Charle]

I also don't buy Traf's claim.

1. Why visit Max when you already confirmed that he is most likely town? Very easy to say he didn't move because it is the only person that actually mentioned he did not use his PR.

So we can now be sure Max is not the 3P and I'd say that it's most likely town

2. I have difficulty to line-up reporter with the roles Mod gave us at start of game.

Vote Traf

[jfm10]

unvote
chat with loose a bit 1st.

[jfm10]

@Loose
I really don't accept his answer
I agree with Ragian that we have time for more info.
I also think to much info could be a bad thing for protecting to many people if the lynch was wrong.
As a chatter how would proceeding be best?

[jfm10]

I will note that Loose could have lynched but chose not to.

[Loose Canon]

jfm - it needs 6 votes to lynch Traf - there have only ever been 4 (including mine)

I too agree that looking at other candidates is ok for now.

I've previously said that I have suspicion on Strike.

Beyond that, right now, I don't have anyone that I want to lead a grilling of because it wouldn't be genuine.

Reason being although I've unvoted Traf, its in my head that he says he used his reporter ability on the one player who has already said he didn't do anything last night - Max.

Max is bothering me though - was his not being sure of his exact role - a blatant I'm the traitor don't quite know how to play this mafiosi signal?

[Ragian]

Charle is playing the mod, too. The reason I don't like that (this goes for Loose too) is that no one town aligned knows anything apart from their own role (unless you're Max, in which case, apparently, you know less than John Snow). So, saying that you don't believe a claim due to mod info enables you to go, "Aww crud, I wouldn't hafe thought that that role was in the game." Effectively, you're giving yourself a free lynch because basically it's the mod's fault.

If you lynch due to not liking a claim because a) the claim was stalled, b) the claim is too convenient given that it allows the claimant (I don't know if I'm using this correctly) to having moved last night and coming nights if checked by town PRs, and c) because the claim incorporates another player, which could be a scumbuddy (though that would be very early to do that) or a low profile player to be taken out or whatever if the claimant is lynched, I'd accept the arguments, and I'd even back that lynch if nothing better presents itself D2.

However, the willingness of Charle and Loose to gung-ho it with a week more of D2 to go seems like an attempt to get a cheap lynch that reveals nothing to town and can be filed away under mod responsibility.

FoS Charle and Loose

Fp'ed by Loose

[Ragian]

jfm - it needs 6 votes to lynch Traf - there have only ever been 4 (including mine)

I too agree that looking at other candidates is ok for now.

I've previously said that I have suspicion on Strike.

Beyond that, right now, I don't have anyone that I want to lead a grilling of because it wouldn't be genuine.

Reason being although I've unvoted Traf, its in my head that he says he used his reporter ability on the one player who has already said he didn't do anything last night - Max.

Max is bothering me though - was his not being sure of his exact role - a blatant I'm the traitor don't quite know how to play this mafiosi signal?

Why not push the people you have no read on? We can always go back to Traf. Two claims on D2 is not too many.

[Loose Canon]

Actually I think I want Max to make a claim - preferably now without delaying for lynch pressure- which would give time for looking at alternatives to Max and Traf.
I think a town Max would want to do so.

Fpd by Rag - I'm off to work.

[SoN!c]

Official vote count


Traf (4) : Kongming, homer_jay, strike wolf, Charle

[jfm10]

jfm - it needs 6 votes to lynch Traf - there have only ever been 4 (including mine)

I too agree that looking at other candidates is ok for now.

I've previously said that I have suspicion on Strike.

Beyond that, right now, I don't have anyone that I want to lead a grilling of because it wouldn't be genuine.

Reason being although I've unvoted Traf, its in my head that he says he used his reporter ability on the one player who has already said he didn't do anything last night - Max.

Max is bothering me though - was his not being sure of his exact role - a blatant I'm the traitor don't quite know how to play this mafiosi signal?

I replaced your unvote to make it L2 again and charle made it L1

[Charle]

Charle is playing the mod, too. The reason I don't like that (this goes for Loose too) is that no one town aligned knows anything apart from their own role (unless you're Max, in which case, apparently, you know less than John Snow). So, saying that you don't believe a claim due to mod info enables you to go, "Aww crud, I wouldn't hafe thought that that role was in the game." Effectively, you're giving yourself a free lynch because basically it's the mod's fault.

If you lynch due to not liking a claim because a) the claim was stalled, b) the claim is too convenient given that it allows the claimant (I don't know if I'm using this correctly) to having moved last night and coming nights if checked by town PRs, and c) because the claim incorporates another player, which could be a scumbuddy (though that would be very early to do that) or a low profile player to be taken out or whatever if the claimant is lynched, I'd accept the arguments, and I'd even back that lynch if nothing better presents itself D2.

However, the willingness of Charle and Loose to gung-ho it with a week more of D2 to go seems like an attempt to get a cheap lynch that reveals nothing to town and can be filed away under mod responsibility.

FoS Charle and Loose

Fp'ed by Loose

How do I played the MOD when he gave us the roles at the start of the game? This means it is info the MOD gave us to work with, and that's what I do. Also I do not buy the fact that Traf investigated Max of all people when he was one of a few players who confirmed he think Max is town.

Huge fat FoS on Ragian

[Loose Canon]

On Traf;

Whether Town or Mafia or Arsonist I'm gonna say it, I don't think Traf is a lazy guy but with mafia games he's got into a rut of thinking whats been enough in the past is enough in the current game. In Rags game that cost town, in this game whatever he is he's drawn heat because he's in that rut.

Yes it is credible that Traf as reporter would N1 visit Max.
It is also suspect though because Max had already said he hadn't gone anywhere.
It is however credible that reporter is a mod modified town investigative role.
If there is another town investigative player though - they have to be thinking Traf has to be lynched. (a Doctor would probably protect such a player if such a player came forward)
So whilst I'm not that keen on clearing Traf I'm now swinging towards a town Traf (in the absence of an alternative town investigative player coming forward)

On Max;

I'm wondering if he could possibly be something like a junior reporter, who didn't really understand what a reporter does but would understand his role now (and so step in for a lynched/killed Traf) if that is what it is (given Trafs claim and explanation about his role)?

[kongming3]

I really disagree with Ragian here. Before I say anything else, @Traf can you confirm you received a box from sonic with the handcuffs gun and whatever else was in there?

[TrafalgarLaw01]

Ok, I'll adress everything that has been commented soon later today.

But early Thoughts and Comments.

1. Kong I don't know what you are talking about I do not recall reciving a message from Sonic saying anything of the sort but I can ask him to see if maybe I missed any of that.

2. Charle is full of some bs here. Jumping from side to side. I'll make sure to get all the quotes right to prove this my main suspect atm.

3. I am town and as I posted today one thing was my honest mistake on how the arsonist worked another thing is mixing that with other things said.

[jfm10]

Loose, you're playing the mod now.

@jfm, even if we are to lynch traf, there are more things to do today. Loads of people are coasting. Let's apply pressure there. We can always return to a traf lynch if that is town's decision.

I think players leave their votes where they are.
Traf (4) : Kongming, homer_jay, strike wolf, Charle add Loose Cannon, jfm10 for voting
If the 4 names not shown vote one of us showing could get info,

[Loose Canon]

ok jfm and rag lets talk tactics.

I don't believe there is a town reporter role AND a town cop role.
So if a cop comes forward I would almost certainly get back onto lynching Traf.
I suppose any cop could be tempted to wait another day.
I don't think they should but thats up for debate.

I'd probably follow a pressure vote lead from one of you to try to get a second claim providing its not on a player I'm not leaning town on.
I'm not sure who that would be.

If I were to take the lead it would be on Strike.
I posted earlier today when he positively aroused my suspicion and it was around the timing of trying to disrupt a forming town consensus.
His vote on Traf reinforces a get on a town mislynch disrupt any town consensus that way potential hypothesis.

So I'm on for pressuring a 2nd player D2 if that 2nd player is a reasonable prospect to me of being mafia.

I think my tactical position is slightly different from each of you?

[jfm10]

ok jfm and rag lets talk tactics.

I don't believe there is a town reporter role AND a town cop role.
So if a cop comes forward I would almost certainly get back onto lynching Traf.
I suppose any cop could be tempted to wait another day.
I don't think they should but thats up for debate.

I'd probably follow a pressure vote lead from one of you to try to get a second claim providing its not on a player I'm not leaning town on.
I'm not sure who that would be.

If I were to take the lead it would be on Strike.
I posted earlier today when he positively aroused my suspicion and it was around the timing of trying to disrupt a forming town consensus.
His vote on Traf reinforces a get on a town mislynch disrupt any town consensus that way potential hypothesis.

So I'm on for pressuring a 2nd player D2 if that 2nd player is a reasonable prospect to me of being mafia.

I think my tactical position is slightly different from each of you?

Traf has my vote which i say he is lynched;
if the other 4 play fast enough they can do 2 unless this becomes a scum contest.

[Ragian]

@Charle, did you read the part in which Son!c says that the roles are modified? You don't know how the mod modified town roles. Obviously, you could know your own role which might make you biased against Traf, but you'd know, then, that the rest of us isn't privy to that information in which case your FoS is unwarranted. I can't see you doing anything but playing the mod and OMGUS FoSsing.

@loose, why Strike or Max?

[Loose Canon]

Rag I've said why strike, and it's a genuine suspicion as explained on my part
I've speculated on why a town max might not exactly know his role, I'm not comfortable with where he is, I think he has to claim properly soon as, but don't see point of a lynch pressure on him.
I wouldn't fancy joining lynch pressure on you, jfm, kong right now.
Probably not Charle either, I'm not yet suspicious and he's a contributor so if he's mafia, I figure he's more likely to trip my suspicions without lynch pressure.
If there's genuine suspicion on king, dev, homer I'd join lynch pressure and see where it goes, but understand I'd be starting as a follower not a leader on those guys.

[Loose Canon]

And actually thinking about it a bit more, given the fact that strike said to Traf at L-2 you have to claim, he'd have to claim if we put him at L-2.

vote strike

[SoN!c]

Official vote count


Traf (4) : Kongming, homer_jay, strike wolf, Charle
Strike wolf (1) : Loose Canon

[Ragian]

Is it correctly understood that everyone currently voting Traf wants to end the day quickly?