The unholy story of Count Giure "Grando" Stregone TOWN WINS!

[Ragian]

Do you want to add any form for reason for your vote?

No reason other than to get a claim out of you and the fact Charle said you were vanillaized (Maybe trying to help is scum buddy)?

So you're just not paying attention. Strike was vanillarised. Not me. EW stating that I cannot be a vampire (not sure how he has come to that conclusion). But yeah, I get it. It's another "everyone but me" vote like Charle (the vampire) did at the end of last day.

[Ragian]

@Loose, I still can't shake you not using your ability N1 and the fact that you were in the room where the attack took place without you dying. Maybe I need to reread that bit.

[Ragian]

Also, the reason you cannot suspect Traf/PMC/Any replacement is that they haven't participated

[Loose Canon]

@Loose, I still can't shake you not using your ability N1 and the fact that you were in the room where the attack took place without you dying. Maybe I need to reread that bit.

Ok you can't shake off me not using ability n1.
Fact is I claim to have investigated Charle and that the investigation said vampire aligned - and he was.

Yes do reread bit about being in room where attack took place.

Re Traf suspicion a combination of lack of posting and process of elimination is what's leading me there.

[Ragian]

This is where I'm at: I know I'm town. Apparently, it's commonly held that EW and Dev and Pix (despite his best efforts to prove otherwise) are town. That leaves you, Vot, and Traf as the last vampire and number of wolves (barring conversions).

@EW, while I know that no one converted can wield the sword/axe/thingie, would town be advised if another town not holding the sword/axe/whatevs was converted?

[Extreme Ways]

This is where I'm at: I know I'm town. Apparently, it's commonly held that EW and Dev and Pix (despite his best efforts to prove otherwise) are town. That leaves you, Vot, and Traf as the last vampire and number of wolves (barring conversions).

@EW, while I know that no one converted can wield the sword/axe/thingie, would town be advised if another town not holding the sword/axe/whatevs was converted?

I dont get what you are asking with the question.

If you're asking whether I/we would be told about a conversion happening, I dont think so. Maybe in flavour, it's a Sonic game.

Rag can't be vampire-aligned because Charle was vampire and went quite hard against you. It doesn't mechanically rule you out, but it's very unlikely. Especially for the Striga.

I am at my partner's btw so less active.

[SoN!c]

Kong replaces Traf!

[kongming3]

I'm also in favour of a mass claim. Regarding what Charle said before his death(?), I don't think there's any particular reason to believe anything he said. That said, fusi as a dead townsfolk did in fact confirm he had meant to target ragian. That means we can confirm there had to be a scum deflector protecting ragian, so I think he's guaranteed scum. I was honestly a bit frustrated that nobody was pointing that out and seemingly forgetting, so I'm glad I can do so now.

@EW, would it be correct to say that you no longer have any masonic weapons? You're guaranteed town to me barring the likely conversions in play, but if you have a way to confirm you haven't been converted that'd be helpful. In the same line of thought, Pixar is the only true true townsfolk I have absolute trust in.

It might be that I haven't fully caught up, but I haven't seen anything that confirms dev as town if he didn't become a mason last night. He was a known town figure earlier in the game so he's a potential conversion target, but if were able to rule out conversions then he should still be town. Loose is also a known townsfolk as of yesterday, so he's also in the same bracket of likely townsfolk but also because of that an attractive conversion target. For me it goes Pixar-->EW (because he could only have been converted last night)-->Loose (because he could only have been converted last night)--> Dev (because he's been a confirmed townie and conversion candidate for the longest and hasn't been killed off at night).

I know I'm town, and I suspect there's likely a conversion lurking amongst those 4, but ideally the weapons can be used to work through that. I'm also concerned about the force ghost and the shenanigans with if charle is really dead, but I'm not sure what we can do about that for now. With all that said, I think ragian is guaranteed scum and vot scum just by the numbers and lack of helpful input for town (I recognize "I" also haven't provided a ton of information for town, but that's a product of the lack of interest of my predecessors in trying to engage with this mess rather than anything else.)

Vote ragian as the obvious and safest choice. We very much need to not have a mislynch here, so it makes the most sense to me. That said, if pixar specifically has a rationale for choosing someone else I would hear him out.

[SoN!c]

Official vote count:

Ragian (2) - Pixar, Kong

With ? realy alive and force ghost(s) continuing one way or the other/ converted at play...it takes, for now, ...4 to lynch! FoUR to lynch!

[Loose Canon]

I think there's been a conversion power but it could have been thwarted somehow, and I also think werewolves would have greater conversion effectiveness for game balance.

My personal estimation of probabilities of vampire v, werewolf w, town t split among us 7 players is

40% 3t 3w1v
35% 4t 2w1v
20% 3t 2w 2v
5% something else

[Loose Canon]

And that doesn't leave an awful lot of room for us both to be town Kong.

[Extreme Ways]

I'm also in favour of a mass claim. Regarding what Charle said before his death(?), I don't think there's any particular reason to believe anything he said. That said, fusi as a dead townsfolk did in fact confirm he had meant to target ragian. That means we can confirm there had to be a scum deflector protecting ragian, so I think he's guaranteed scum. I was honestly a bit frustrated that nobody was pointing that out and seemingly forgetting, so I'm glad I can do so now.

@EW, would it be correct to say that you no longer have any masonic weapons? You're guaranteed town to me barring the likely conversions in play, but if you have a way to confirm you haven't been converted that'd be helpful. In the same line of thought, Pixar is the only true true townsfolk I have absolute trust in.

It might be that I haven't fully caught up, but I haven't seen anything that confirms dev as town if he didn't become a mason last night. He was a known town figure earlier in the game so he's a potential conversion target, but if were able to rule out conversions then he should still be town. Loose is also a known townsfolk as of yesterday, so he's also in the same bracket of likely townsfolk but also because of that an attractive conversion target. For me it goes Pixar-->EW (because he could only have been converted last night)-->Loose (because he could only have been converted last night)--> Dev (because he's been a confirmed townie and conversion candidate for the longest and hasn't been killed off at night).

I know I'm town, and I suspect there's likely a conversion lurking amongst those 4, but ideally the weapons can be used to work through that. I'm also concerned about the force ghost and the shenanigans with if charle is really dead, but I'm not sure what we can do about that for now. With all that said, I think ragian is guaranteed scum and vot scum just by the numbers and lack of helpful input for town (I recognize "I" also haven't provided a ton of information for town, but that's a product of the lack of interest of my predecessors in trying to engage with this mess rather than anything else.)

Vote ragian as the obvious and safest choice. We very much need to not have a mislynch here, so it makes the most sense to me. That said, if pixar specifically has a rationale for choosing someone else I would hear him out.

You will see me use the axe after lynch. But by virtue of being in mason chat, Pix can confirm. We can apparently also swap weapons, I forgot.

Regarding the bolded, I pointed it out yesterday but it's not guaranteed that Rag is scum, just that scum targeted him. I'm working off of the assumption that there are 3 or 4 alive townies atm. It's about finding the missing one. I'm thus not too concerned about most lynches.

Usually I mind people opening up the PoE (process of eliminations) players, but I feel like your train of thought is very rational. I am towning Dev due to his reaction on me saying he was a mason now. It seemed genuine, and scum knows it's never a backup mason. Tbh I think Dev is also a backup mason, but I haven't died yet. It makes a lot of sense in the whole 2-2-2-2-2-2 stuff.

One thing that does bother me is that you are in favour of a massclaim but do not seem to make a movement towards claiming yourself or breadcrumbing something about your own role.

[Extreme Ways]

If we're only on 7 and the striga is still alive I'm calling

Pix
EW
Dev

town and yall are converted or scum

[*Pixar*]

Little heads up, Votanic got busted with a multi. He wont be playing anymore. Will read up tomorrow morning

[Charle]

Little heads up, Votanic got busted with a multi. He wont be playing anymore. Will read up tomorrow morning

What??? Oh No!!! That is terrible news!!

Pixar, will he be banned forever or just a certain time period?

[Ragian]

Great. Another vote that I cannot defend against. Someone else did something to Ragian, so he's scum.

[Loose Canon]

For the sake of this game - and for respect and thanks to Sonic (and Ewe) for putting so much effort into it - I really really hope this game plays out to its conclusion.
I guess we need to see how that happens further to the Vot thing.

Sonic do you want us to reach out to players in our respective Clans?

[Loose Canon]

On a game must go on note.

I think we will have re-reading and re-thinking time.

1. Does anyone see how EW could not be town and does anyone see how Pix could not be town?

2. EW do you want to go for the Striga or a Werewolf?

I ask the second because my answer to the first after a careful (but confusing) re-read earlier in this game day was - no - but it was confusing what with what ifs leading me to jump backwards and forwards in my reread.

Those are both - I think - meaty and difficult questions that should be thought about carefully.

[SoN!c]

For the sake of this game - and for respect and thanks to Sonic (and Ewe) for putting so much effort into it - I really really hope this game plays out to its conclusion.
I guess we need to see how that happens further to the Vot thing.

Sonic do you want us to reach out to players in our respective Clans?

Option A: Vot is MOD lynched and the day ends

Option B: The day continues and Ewe will play for Vot untill he dies (Ewe just doing his voting and night actions, no other posting)

Option C: The day continues and Vot can mail me his vote and night actions

Option D: Vot is town lynched (4 votes)

Option E: Finding a sub this deep in the finale... yikes!

Option F: ? (open to suggestions)


Whatever option, it will always be a lesser outcome then before the Vot Thing but a choice will have to be made.

A mod kill (on anybody) would also kill the delicate tightrope walking balance here and would de facto kill the game aswell.. that is not an option.

I think option A to D would be the best decision if Vot can't continue on his account but the players (you) have to decide ofcourse

[Ragian]

I'd suggest A or D. D, of course, is difficult.

[Ragian]

Fudge...I meant A or C (with C being the difficult one).

[Loose Canon]

Sonic, I've aired in DDS s game that

Max might want to reach out to you if he fancies stepping in in this game.
I've also aired that DDS might want to reach out to you as a replacement for vot in his game

[Extreme Ways]

Option F is Vot dies and day goes on

[Ragian]

Yeah...so, mod kill and either night or day continues.

[SoN!c]

Option F is Vot dies and day goes on

A mod kill (on almost anybody) would also kill the delicate tightrope walking balance here and would de facto kill the game aswell.. that is not an option in this game.