Friends & Enemies & Enemies & That Other Guy - Wolves Won

[PepeAtila]

Being completely real, I don't have anything on Pepe other than what people already said, he followed people around on day 1, and what I said before - EW avoided talking to him.

Its definitely a process of elimination candidate for me.

Nobody seems to particularly like my feel that the Pepe Traf thing was fake and goes towards Pepe being scum.
There is the thing that PMC has read that he could be linked with EW.
Theres Pepes not taking a lead on anything really - just self defending when attacked.
I really think Pepe is a good each way (EW) bet.

And I can't keep saying this often enough it is 50/50 at the worst that he is scum one way or the other.

Of course today it is not my role to lead. It is your role.

if I vote Max and somebody else do it he is a fool.
no Max? ok.

Do you want me to tell you what I believe? I think the scums are Max and PMC. Do I have reason to think it's them? none definitive, just hunch and of course I can be wrong.
I am sorry I can't say or do anything else... even if you don't like it.

[PepeAtila]

It is not my place to hammer... so to be consistent
vote PMC
...

[Charle]

Vote Count:

Sonic (3) - DDS, PMC, Max
Pepe (1) - Loose
PMC (1) - Pepe

No Vote (1) - Sonic

With 6 Alive, 4 needed for a lynch

[pmchugh]

Pepe, if you are town there is a 1/3 chance Sonic is town from your perspective, and it would mean the masons managed to pick the only two vanilla left for us to lynch between.

[SoN!c]

PMC, do you believe the 2 scum both know they need to mislynch a town today in order to have a chance to win the game? Curious on your answer.

[pmchugh]

PMC, do you believe the 2 scum both know they need to mislynch a town today in order to have a chance to win the game? Curious on your answer.

Is that an admission of why you are hard defending Pepe? That would certainly explain you and pepe's play, but I don't buy in to the logic.

Let's say it's you and Pepe, and pepe votes you out. Then Pepe kills Loose. 4 alive, 1 scum, 1 mason, two vanilla. Pepe would just have to convince the others to kill me or Max and he could win on the last day.

One town does need to be mislynched for the win, but not necessarily today.

[pmchugh]

In fact, it might even be preferable to kill the other mafia today, because if we mislynch there is a real threat from each mafia faction to the other. They have to kill the other one to win outright and the longer the leave it the more chance the other pulls the trigger first.

[pmchugh]

To win mafia must mislynch a townie yes, but they also must kill the other mafia and not get killed themselves. So you can be rest assured I think its you sonic, I would be going for you regardless of alignment.

[SoN!c]

In fact, it might even be preferable to kill the other mafia today, because if we mislynch there is a real threat from each mafia faction to the other. They have to kill the other one to win outright and the longer the leave it the more chance the other pulls the trigger first.

That is plain silly because you know very well scum needs to hit the masons tonight. Because: Tomorrow you can't mislynch 2 masons with a possible spare in play. 2/5 chance there is.

But i'll play just to show how silly: in this scenario of yours what scum is trying to kill the other scum with lynch then?

You me then. And i you. No you are either town and think im scum or you are scum and think im town. And before Loose got Max to play i was the best vanilla town option to lynch.

So in your scenario and you are scum btw, you get me lynched thinking im the second scum, lets say i am: you are the last scum alive and then you have to kill loose tonight and hope there is no spare. (on 2/5 odds)

Tomorrow its you vs DDS, Max, Pepe. And Pepe is already on to you. With 1 mason alive and a possible spare between the other 2.

That is stupid end play. Plain silly.

FP by pmc

[SoN!c]

To win mafia must mislynch a townie yes, but they also must kill the other mafia and not get killed themselves. So you can be rest assured I think its you sonic, I would be going for you regardless of alignment.

Here you go. OOOOPS

Where is the "in fact" now scummie?

[pmchugh]

In fact, it might even be preferable to kill the other mafia today, because if we mislynch there is a real threat from each mafia faction to the other. They have to kill the other one to win outright and the longer the leave it the more chance the other pulls the trigger first.

That is plain silly because you know very well scum needs to hit the masons tonight. Because: Tomorrow you can't mislynch 2 masons with a possible spare in play. 2/5 chance there is.

But i'll play just to show how silly: in this scenario of yours what scum is trying to kill the other scum with lynch then?

You me then. And i you. No you are either town and think im scum or you are scum and think im town. And before Loose got Max to play i was the best vanilla town option to lynch.

So in your scenario and you are scum btw, you get me lynched thinking im the second scum, lets say i am: you are the last scum alive and then you have to kill loose tonight and hope there is no spare. (on 2/5 odds)

Tomorrow its you vs DDS, Max, Pepe. And Pepe is already on to you. With 1 mason alive and a possible spare between the other 2.

That is stupid end play. Plain silly.

FP by pmc

It's controlled end play. Convince some people to vote for Pepe or Max instead of you and win. The alternative is to hope and pray the other side don't kill you while you kill loose and hand them the game.

It's telling though that sonic really believes this plan, today he went after Loose, and then me, despite previously thinking we were town, why? Why is he defending Pepe so hard when at the start of the day he thought he was scum? Because he believes he has to mislynch a vanilla townie today.

He is literally telling you his plans, lynch him already.

[Loose Canon]

There's a few unusual voting stances that have been taken recently.

I want us all to consider what if anything they might signify.

Whilst I favour lynching Pepe, I would urge everyone to pause and not risk a lynching just now. I'd actually like unvoting while we do so.

So by example

unvote pepeatilla

[SoN!c]

Haha, im having so much fun with PMC.

In his mindset (scum needing to mislynch a townie) his first understandable reaction was to bullshit us telling that ain't true with his "in fact" story.

He then realised this was bad donkey poo he sold us because town is not that stupid. So he had to correct his scum mindset.

That is why he even needed to post ", I would be going for you regardless of alignment." Trying to salve that scum slip up.

What townie ever needs to say " regardless my alignment."?? Thats scum talk.

I doesn't get better than this in mafia slip-ups.

Im sure the second scum will say "im not seeing it" (yeah only with scumgoggles on you would say you didn't notice that).

[pmchugh]

Haha, im having so much fun with PMC.

In his mindset (scum needing to mislynch a townie) his first understandable reaction was to bullshit us telling that ain't true with his "in fact" story.

No, it is in fact, better for mafia to lynch the other mafia here.

He then realised this was bad donkey poo he sold us because town is not that stupid. So he had to correct his scum mindset.

I have been entirely consistent and never changed my opinion or stance on this.

That is why he even needed to post ", I would be going for you regardless of alignment." Trying to salve that scum slip up.

What townie ever needs to say " regardless my alignment."?? Thats scum talk.

This is a warning in case you are town, you really, 100% look like scum. I did not slip up, I engaged in hypotheticals.

I doesn't get better than this in mafia slip-ups.

How about getting caught in a lie like you did? Or you know, anything that is actually a slip up.

I think at this point it's not worth me debating sonic. He is just trying his best to drag me into the mud by stating clear falsehoods confidently, asking me to engage in hypotheticals around what scum should do and then using me doing so to say that I have slipped up. I am just going to put trust in your reading comprehension.

Unvote to respect looses call for a pause, but I personally think its obviously Sonic.

[SoN!c]

"I would be going for you regardless of alignment."

[pmchugh]

"I would be going for you regardless of alignment."

Yes. Everyone here should be sure I think you are scum, regardless of what they think of my alignment.

Mafia must eliminate each other to win, if they don't, they don't win.

[pmchugh]

If sonic was mafia, he would be pushing townies to be lynched. Today he went for Loose, then me, making u-turn after u-turn on his previous confident reads.

[Loose Canon]

Ok thanks PMC one unvote was all I really needed.

We have Pepe, saying he is not voting for sonic, and sonic saying he is reluctant to vote for Pepe
And briefly we had max making a strange vote too.

Do we think it is possible one or more are getting tactical advice from a dead scum teammate?

It would implicate all 3 but to me Pepe more so than sonic or max.

As a mason I haven't seen anything from Charle prohibiting still giving advice. Doesn't mean he wouldn't or hasn't to the scum teams.

It's a thought I wanted to put out there for consideration.

[Charle]

Rule No. 10

"10. Once your death scene has been posted, it's over for you. You can no longer post anything related to the game. Whining is alright, **Voices from beyond the grave** are alright, as long as nothing of substance is revealed. This means you can post something like "Damn you mafia!" or "Oh well. Go town!" but you cannot post and add to the discussion. This is a serious offence."

Just play the game and forget about the dead people, they are already knowing all the roles and laughing at you guys somewhere else!

[Charle]

Also rule no. 4 is very important!

"4. The game will not be discussed outside this thread, unless your role specifically says you can."

[SoN!c]

Ok thanks PMC one unvote was all I really needed.

We have Pepe, saying he is not voting for sonic, and sonic saying he is reluctant to vote for Pepe
And briefly we had max making a strange vote too.

Do we think it is possible one or more are getting tactical advice from a dead scum teammate?

It would implicate all 3 but to me Pepe more so than sonic or max.

As a mason I haven't seen anything from Charle prohibiting still giving advice. Doesn't mean he wouldn't or hasn't to the scum teams.

It's a thought I wanted to put out there for consideration.

Its not Pepe. I was sure he was town and i took a gamble by not voting for him.

Then Pepe replied. His reply was a honest reaction because if Pepe was scum then he should not have said that but just hammer me instead saying "following mason Loose here so vote SoN!c". And thats that.

Then 2 scum hitting masons/the other scum/town tonight so tomorrow probably 3 left. Pepe as scum would vote PMC/DDS i think and PMC would vote Loose.

Its not me either. If i was scum i would have taken Loose his deal and voted Pepe. Loose is clearly running the masons so 3 votes on Pepe there and PMC already said he'd consider Pepe..thats 4.

Then tonight as scum i'd vote DDS / Max and hope PMC would kill Loose. Then sail into a easy scum draw tomorrow.

[pmchugh]

Then tonight as scum i'd vote DDS / Max and hope PMC would kill Loose. Then sail into a easy scum draw tomorrow.

Firstly, how bad faith of you to attack me for saying stuff like this and then say it yourself.

Secondly you only draw if you kill all the townies, and at any point one side can screw the other by killing them instead.

[SoN!c]

Then tonight as scum i'd vote DDS / Max and hope PMC would kill Loose. Then sail into a easy scum draw tomorrow.

Firstly, how bad faith of you to attack me for saying stuff like this and then say it yourself.

Secondly you only draw if you kill all the townies, and at any point one side can screw the other by killing them instead.

Looks like me (as town) haven't tought on every detail as how to win as scum but you clearly have PMC !

[pmchugh]

Ok thanks PMC one unvote was all I really needed.

We have Pepe, saying he is not voting for sonic, and sonic saying he is reluctant to vote for Pepe
And briefly we had max making a strange vote too.

Do we think it is possible one or more are getting tactical advice from a dead scum teammate?

It would implicate all 3 but to me Pepe more so than sonic or max.

As a mason I haven't seen anything from Charle prohibiting still giving advice. Doesn't mean he wouldn't or hasn't to the scum teams.

It's a thought I wanted to put out there for consideration.

Pepe not voting sonic now is not surprising, he wouldn't instantly win if he did. However its strange that he isn't willing to eventually switch his vote if he fails to convince us, at least on current claims.

Like, if the choice came down to someone I know is town (me) amd someone I just think is town, you surely have to vote for the one you just think is town if you fail to convince on anyone else.

I guess he maybe still has hopes to convince you. Or else he just thinks differently from me

As scum, there is the added motivation that by appearing unconcerned with one's own life, you appear more townie.

I really can't read Pepe, sorry graveyard listeners.

[SoN!c]

This was a great day.

We had a big catch of the day aswell, where PMC needed to say ""I would be going for you regardless of alignment" to salvage his scum slip up.

And slip-up after slip-up followed because he had to salvage that salvage with these words:

"This is a warning in case you are town,"

Not even a Grand Master Bullshitter could come up with this. A warning??? Makes no sense. I sure get why the rest is laughing so hard in Dead Man Chat with Loose having PMC as townie..and Pepe and me as scum. We also noticed PMC has every detail covered in how to win as scum..but:

"

Spoiler

[i]This is a warning in case you are town[/i]

,"...

Instant legendary catch phrase. You could sell T-shirt with these prints on


Now he turns to Pepe.. smart choice