Friends & Enemies & Enemies & That Other Guy - Wolves Won

[PepeAtila]

Pepe finally taking initiative!

Agreed though, the other mason has little reason to claim. That only paints a nice target on his back, and we also dont know if the back up is still in play. This is a horrible idea.

Yes, you are right, although if everyone is so clear about who to lynch, my opinion is not of much use.

Can't hold my peace any longer.
This is civic apathy of the worst kind.
This is how werewolves got into the town
This is how mafia will end up running this town

There's a reason we haven't initiated you into the masons Pepe.
It's right here

I don't really understand what you mean but right now the game seemed a little stagnant to me, and my idea about "my opinion" is to try to get something moving and to fill the wait.

And later... telling Sonic he's fool for changing his vote to Max?

But I have a feeling that the scums are Max and PMC (if he is not Mason)... am I fully wrong?

[PepeAtila]

unvote

[SoN!c]

I don't really understand what you mean but right now the game seemed a little stagnant to me, and my idea about "my opinion" is to try to get something moving and to fill the wait.

And later... telling Sonic he's fool for changing his vote to Max?

But I have a feeling that the scums are Max and PMC (if he is not Mason)... am I fully wrong?

This is 100% how i was reading Pepe. Pepe is town. Very sure on that.

And PMC's scum dust on me in regard to Pepe was only momentarely when Pepe had the strange vote pattern on Traf (when the vote was on Ragian). But Pepe explained it well.

I have to come to Pepe's defense.

Then you have 2 options:

Pepe is town or Pepe is scum. Only when im scum myself it would make sense to defend Pepe IF i think Pepe is the other scum for reasons explained before, but as scum would i defend him so hard? And dont say Wifom.
I mean if im scum i can't be 100% sure on the other scum so it would be better to do nothing.

Pepe is town.

[pmchugh]

Being completely real, I don't have anything on Pepe other than what people already said, he followed people around on day 1, and what I said before - EW avoided talking to him.

Its definitely a process of elimination candidate for me.

[SoN!c]

"a process of elimination?" When its 2-2-2? Spoken like the great scumster.. Scum needs to hit town today thats all it is and you do not wanna switch to your secund scum candidate because your scum yourself, there is no real second candidate you could put up just for show and you cant risk being wrong on the vanilla townie either. You know you cant touch a mason until nightfalls so that is why i get all the votes today. Hilarious.

[Loose Canon]

House odds are each of the 4 possible players who can be lynched are;
1 in 4 of being Scum with EW and 1 in 4 of being Scum with Traf.

Max has been pointed out by myself and PMC extensively is highly unlikely to be with EW.
That makes Max a terrible choice for lynching.
Any arguments that people suspect Max or whatever and want to lynch him today for whatever reason fail, just accept it.

A lynching needs to occur today to give Town best chance of winning.
In fact town will win if it gets the next 2 lynches correct but will either lose or draw if it doesn't.

With 4 players required to lynch, REALPOLITIK is a lynch cannot happen today without the vote of at least 1 Mason.
Myself and my esteemed colleague may or may not be entirely in accord as to who we lynch today.
However we do chat and there was still chat while I paused from posting in this game thread.
I took the time to reflect and observe for a while.

Hard Fact of the matter is todays lynch is either going to be Sonic or Pepe.

[SoN!c]

Im not gonna vote Pepe untill you do first. I'll follow the Masons ofcourse. But no way ill vote Pepe to save myself. Not in a million years. You can take that to the bank.

[Loose Canon]

Sonic seems to have an unhealthy obsession with Mason hunting.
There are other reasons to suspect Sonic too.
Every time Sonic posts I perceive that everyone probably thinks its more reason to vote for him.

My main suspicion on Sonic, arose from him pushing Max for lynching today and the timing of his push.
It was both anti logical, and I thought a "how do I Sonic as scum win from here, being on my own all of a sudden now, lets go for the guy that was being pushed for lynch D1".
I sensed it was a panic push onto Max.
I thought perhaps wrongly that Sonic was a better player than he has shown himself to be in this game.

Sonic in this game is either scummy or stupid, or maybe a bit of both.

Sonic is a viable lynch candidate.

My advice to Sonic would be say post nothing more in this game day except perhaps;
"Yes I Sonic am a fool - Vote Pepe"
And then sit back and give reflecting for the rest of this game day a go - because your fate is not sealed - and tomorrow may be another day for you.

[Loose Canon]

Pepe has posted so much wishy washy oh I'll follow the consensus on lynching stuff.
That is suspicious.

My main reason for suspecting Pepe though goes back to all the end of D2 Traf voting for Pepe, Pepe suspecting Traf, when the lynch was going to be on Rag.
It tripped my fakeometer big time.

[SoN!c]

Its easy explained : 2 - 2 - 2. I was playing with the idea masons would sacrifice themselves 1 mason for 1 scum being a good deal.

Looks like masons had another play, wanting to survive as long they could.. not sacrificing themselves for the higher town good.

So i had the wrong players mixed up the entire time. I mixed masons with scum.

But pepe is town like me. Like close to 100% sure pepe is gonna flip town.

[SoN!c]

"Yes I Sonic am a fool - Vote Pepe"
And then sit back and give reflecting for the rest of this game day a go - because your fate is not sealed - and tomorrow may be another day for you.

True. But thats not me. I never go against what i so strong believe in. Never leave one behind. Rather die with the sword in my hand then backstabbing like a rat just to survive. Not in a million years. There was a reason i had a nice avatar and sign: the legend of the black centurion.

Not gonna happen.

[Loose Canon]

House odds say it is 50/50 that Sonic is scum, and 50/50 that Pepe is scum.
The odds are better than that because I think it is unlikely that Max is with EW.

They could both be scum, they could both be town, they could be one of each.

For me the question is what is the most precise vote for town to make today.

If for example I'm wrong about Pepe being with Traf but it turns out he is scum but with EW
and thats as likely as anything with no scum tells
then Max would/should come back into consideration again for D4.

I also suspect that whilst Sonic has had a truly shocking meltdown of a D3, a town Sonic might yet still play a part in probing and uncovering a real scum D4.
I still have some faith in Sonic's ability.

Instinctively I think the case against Pepe is stronger and would be the more precise lynching play for D3.

Vote PepeAtilla

[pmchugh]

Sonic was so coherent and pretty much single handedly won the game for town last time out. He surely cannot be town in this game.

[SoN!c]

Read my lips: Pepe is town. Im sure as sure can be.

If you do this town is gonna loose like 90% sure. And your dead tonight 100%. And im alive tomorrow because im no mason.

But no way to win left.

3 left. Me and 2 scum.

[pmchugh]

Unnoficial Vote Count:

Sonic (2) - DDS, PMC
Pepe (1) - Loose

No Vote (3) - Sonic, Max, Pepe

With 6 Alive - 4 Needed for a lynch

[SoN!c]

Sonic was so coherent and pretty much single handedly won the game for town last time out. He surely cannot be town in this game.

Smelling victory already? Popped the champagne and all..

[pmchugh]

Read my lips: Pepe is town. Im sure as sure can be.

If you do this town is gonna loose like 90% sure. And your dead tonight 100%. And im alive tomorrow because im no mason.

But no way to win left.

3 left. Me and 2 scum.

I live how you keep getting more and more sure about this. Why are you so sure? You must have good evidence for it?

I'd like to hear it so that Loose lynches you instead

[SoN!c]

Unnoficial Vote Count:

Sonic (2) - DDS, PMC
Pepe (1) - Loose

No Vote (3) - Sonic, Max, Pepe

With 6 Alive - 4 Needed for a lynch

I see champagne popping when i see this. Too greedy champagne

[Maxleod]

Been reading, I can't see any compelling argument for voting anyone in particular.

When in doubt,

Vote DDS

[Loose Canon]

Max, get with the programme.

DDS and PMC and YOU are off limits for the lynching today - currently.

If you are Town (and it is only that its bad maths to vote for you because me and PMC agree you are not with Extreme ) you need to vote either Sonic or Pepe.

The Masons are running this town today.

[Maxleod]

Max, get with the programme.

DDS and PMC and YOU are off limits for the lynching today - currently.

If you are Town (and it is only that its bad maths to vote for you because me and PMC agree you are not with Extreme ) you need to vote either Sonic or Pepe.

The Masons are running this town today.

Fine.

Unvote

Vote Sonic

[SoN!c]

No problem - not going to vote pepe. If you did not notice PMC popping his champage when it went to Peppe then we are fucked either way. PMC knows he has to hit town so me or Pepe : its all good to him. Loose voting Peppe and saying its sonic or peppe made him pop the victory botlle..

Gg guys. SoN!c signing off.

[pmchugh]

No problem - not going to vote pepe. If you did not notice PMC popping his champage when it went to Peppe then we are fucked either way. PMC knows he has to hit town so me or Pepe : its all good to him. Loose voting Peppe and saying its sonic or peppe made him pop the victory botlle..

Gg guys. SoN!c signing off.

I mean, this is obviously nonsensical. Let's indulge it for a second. If I was scum I would just be riding the wave. I would have been actively harming myself in these debates rather than just letting it be. There is nothing that would have improved drastically about my position in the last few pages, if anything it would have been weaker than it was a couple of days ago.

I am maybe OK with the Pepe lynch though, because LC is not really convincing me on Max. I don't think sonic fits the EW slot any better than Max does.

[Loose Canon]

Being completely real, I don't have anything on Pepe other than what people already said, he followed people around on day 1, and what I said before - EW avoided talking to him.

Its definitely a process of elimination candidate for me.

Nobody seems to particularly like my feel that the Pepe Traf thing was fake and goes towards Pepe being scum.
There is the thing that PMC has read that he could be linked with EW.
Theres Pepes not taking a lead on anything really - just self defending when attacked.
I really think Pepe is a good each way (EW) bet.

And I can't keep saying this often enough it is 50/50 at the worst that he is scum one way or the other.

[SoN!c]

I know i need to follow Masons lead and i'll do it if you say i have to Loose. But let me point out Pepe could have hammered me to save himself by now. That is what a scum Pepe would have done 100%.

Your call Loose.