Ragian wrote:As mentioned earlier, Bax's vote looks bad. He hasn't even said anything after that.
re: Darin, he usually goes in defensive mode when receiving pressure. I read that as town (based on a few games only, though).
Has traffic, Charle, and drake said anything?
I'm pretty sure Traffic made a comment a few days ago about Pixar may be being scummy and then got defensive when people pressured him on it. DDS thought the initial comment may have been meant more as a joke but I do remember finding him a bit Jumpy at pressure considering no one had even voted for him at the time. I think Drake and Charle have been quiet for a bit. Not sure Charle has posted since being the third on the *Pixar* wagon which I'm surprised just got put at L-2 on what has essentially been a joke. Frankly on principle, I'm against forcing Pixar to claim here on what is essentially a joke wagon that somehow careened into a legitimate wagon despite no one on it seeming to have a grasp on Pixar doing anything actually scummy.
Extreme Ways wrote:
strike wolf wrote:I'm most suspicious of those who jumped on the Pix wagon after the third vote. Of those, I guess Bax is the most suspicious for popping in and not even giving a reason or saying anything else and Duke the least for his activity levels and at least defending his reasons.
Most of you are still pretty neutral. Extreme so far reads the same as he did in Elementary mafia where he was town but that's also my only experience with him and he seems like clever town which means he could also be clever scum. Town read for now
DDS-Still neutral. He's behaved within what I remember of his meta but haven't gotten much of an impression of him beyond that.
Darin-I don't like that he's already acting a bit defensive but beyond that no strong read.
The rest of you, I would probably need to read back through.
I feel similarly scared about you
Pointing out DDS's way of playing is an easy way to get town point without conceding anything, but it does make me feel good about you - again.
Bax is most scummy to me for indeed voting without explanation or without other post. Then again, IIRC it's not that different compared to his town games.
Fusi I'm on the fence about.
Loose - reads town
Most others I have no particularly strong opinion about.
Egads, you all! What kind of superhero group are you sowing mistrust amongst yourself? Cant we all agree just to laugh at large clowns instead? Well, I suppose if we must burn the cellar to smoke out the rats, I shall do my part!
I'm not sure if I should read a clue in this, but my detective skills are failing me.
Fret not fellow citizen. The characters in The Tick are not known only for their daring exploits but also their dramatic language and use of tantalizing metaphor! I merely wish to share in the enthusiasm and the veracity of these courageous heroes who never skip Thesaurus day!
Maxleod wrote:Not strike, he's the only one with a functioning brain.
So either Lose canon is Voteless but may have a role, or perhaps idk if its possible a player might have take away his ability to vote (but maybe unlikely D1)
Good to see we got a real clue rather than some mumbo jumbo weak case against me because of a joke I made lol.
Either Loose has made a mistake knowing he can't vote with his role and tried to anyways or someone has used their day ability to not count his vote? Seem's kind of odd to have that role, especially if you're scum.
OR is it possible Ragian cannot be day killed? Which would make him town I would think. Only one way to find out if my vote counts first. Change of thought before I switch back to Loose.
Pixar's reaction is also weird to me. It was already getting a little fishy that there seemed to be a core group of vocal players adamantly against jumping on the free-claim wagon when I don't see a drawback to getting information out in the open. If he's Town, the claim can be cleanly followed up on Night 1 and he's untouchable for a while (role-blocking roles aside, which could be addressed later down the road). If he's Scum/3rd party, he's promptly found out and the lynch Day 2 is easy. What's going on?
Loose being Voteless reads Scum/Third Party to me. Town's biggest asset is the ability to share information and vote. Someone correct me if I'm wrong, but seems like most voteless roles would not be Town-aligned.
Why are we solo-voting for a player when the vote doesn't even count?
fusibaseball wrote:Loose being Voteless reads Scum/Third Party to me. Town's biggest asset is the ability to share information and vote. Someone correct me if I'm wrong, but seems like most voteless roles would not be Town-aligned.
Why are we solo-voting for a player when the vote doesn't even count?
W T F.
Im with Fusi, unvote Pixar
Also i already said something was fishy with Loose on Fri Sep 01, 2023 10:33 am
I don't think Loose would have voted so willingly Day 1 if he had knowledge that his vote wouldn't count because it creates the above impression I got. Which makes me think someone is rendering his vote useless but as Law said that seems weird for Day 1.
Ragian is not immune to being voted for as demonstrated by Pixar.
Scenario A) Loose and Pixar are not aligned/both are Town as Town are not aware of any other individuals' alignment:
Pixar was genuinely confused by the voteless condition. He tests voting for Ragian in a genuine effort. He then finds Loose suspicious and votes for him. Loose is genuinely disinterested in jumping on the Pix-wagon and casts his vote for Ragian with/without knowledge of its weight -> to be found out
Scenario B) Loose is Town and Pixar is Mafia:
Pixar has knowledge that Loose is an eligible target and finds a legitimate breadcrumb to throw others off prior to him having to claim.
Scenario C) Loose is Mafia and Pixar is Town:
Pixar was genuinely confused by the voteless condition. He tests voting for Ragian in a genuine effort. He then finds Loose suspicious and votes for him. Loose is interested in maintaining a low-profile appearance and casting a single useless vote to avoid being lumped into the Pix-wagon group that others are FOS'ing.
None of these account for the possibility of a 3rd-party alignment for either of them which further muddies the waters.
Or Loose has not read his character well enough.. knowing what it would mean and just did not know (until know and he is going "d'oh" about it)
Any way, this is not Dr. Moriarty level any way you look at it so if you rule out the super genius evil mastermind scheme from Sherlock Holmes it is most likely what it looks like.
Ps scenario D: both Loose and Pix maffia could be too. But for now: Loose looks like it
I can speak from personal experience that when you're Mafia, a common defense mechanism when the pressure rises is to panic vote for a fellow Mafia member. This helps to obscure the thread/sew confusion to give the remaining Mafia players the best chance at winning. It was a futile effort on my part but it's what occurred to me naturally to try.
I would normally be definitely interested in this scenario but Pixar himself pointed out the typo thing that got the ball rolling. Would he do that intentionally if he had knowledge that Loose's vote was powerless?
Love the scenarios, but could it be possible that someone with a day action used it on Loose? Also, would love to see Loose vote for someone else. I'm assuming it's voteless for everyone, but you never know...
I would also like to see Loose Cannon vote for someone else, just to confirm if he is vote-silenced.
I think it's more likely he misread his role vs someone using a power to vote-silence him. He wasn't posting much substantive before his vote and the vote was a lone one for Ragian who wasn't under any pressure. So it would make no sense to use a vote-silencing ability on Loose, that just seems completely random and not beneficial to either town or scum.
Agree that if he can't vote then that is kind of suspicious.
*Pixar* wrote:Love the scenarios, but could it be possible that someone with a day action used it on Loose? Also, would love to see Loose vote for someone else. I'm assuming it's voteless for everyone, but you never know...
This sounds like one Made Man is trying to give an alibi to another Made Man mr. Pix , or should i say "Don Pixerleone"?
If you are powerless during the day like Loose (not even able to vote), surely you are a night vilain super vilain (like a vampire character)?
Not a townsman in any case for sure i'd say? Looks like you are stalling time to prevent a lynch on you or Loose before nightfalls..
