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Ukraine demands 'immediate' cease-fire
Ukraine says it wants an immediate ceasefire and Russia's withdrawal of troops as talks resume. A top negotiator said only then could regional relations and political differences be discussed.
https://www.dw.com/en/ukraine-demands-i ... a-61113558
Pack Rat wrote:if it quacks like a duck and walk like a duck, it's still fascism
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LoL..... I love that saxi LOVES to quote me.saxitoxin wrote:LMAO - headline on Deutsche Welle a few moments ago --
Ukraine demands 'immediate' cease-fire
Ukraine says it wants an immediate ceasefire and Russia's withdrawal of troops as talks resume. A top negotiator said only then could regional relations and political differences be discussed.
https://www.dw.com/en/ukraine-demands-i ... a-61113558
What reality do these people live in? Ukraine is Black Knighting this war.
It appears that again saxi endorses my statement. COOL..! ....'nuff said.saxi, the Russian Troll and thus the supporter of the Butcher of Ukraine
https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2022/3/1 ... nt-addressZelenskyy urges Ukraine no-fly zone in Canada parliament address
Ukrainian president gets multiple standing ovations in Canada’s parliament as he calls for more international support.
AND:......Zelenskyy, who received multiple standing ovations from Canadian lawmakers.
(...)
In recent weeks, the Ukrainian president has spoken to legislators in the European and British parliaments, and he is expected to deliver a virtual address to the US Congress on Wednesday.
Wars in shithole countries are just another TV channel alongside WWE and Cartoon Network, Americans can only watch it for about 30 minutes before getting bored and getting out their phones.Qwert wrote:I think that soon these war will be slowly move out of interest of west, and will be same like syrian civil war or like Afghanistan US debacle withdraw . i mean no one in US talk about 100 US citizens left in Afghanistan or how many SIV left behind . Its look that they are not anymore interesting for US audience .
------bigtoughralf wrote:Wars in shithole countries are just another TV channel alongside WWE and Cartoon Network, Americans can only watch it for about 30 minutes before getting bored and getting out their phones.Qwert wrote:I think that soon these war will be slowly move out of interest of west, and will be same like syrian civil war or like Afghanistan US debacle withdraw . i mean no one in US talk about 100 US citizens left in Afghanistan or how many SIV left behind . Its look that they are not anymore interesting for US audience .
....Why do you think the Movies of today suck....Not just because there are no more quality actors or actresses, most everything is done by computers, backgrounds etc....But most of all... Americans need explosions , sex , etc... Every 5 seconds...Americans have super low attention spans....They can't follow a plot line....Take A Basil Rathbone Sherlock Holmes movie....So KOOL 
...Now a Robert Downey Jr. Sherlock Holmes movie... Americans need sex, Explosions to get through the movie... 
....Sad... 
.... That's just the tip of the iceberg...Most Americans couldn't find Europe on a map... America for that matter............ 
ConfederateSS.out!(The Blue and Silver Rebellion)... jusplay4fun wrote: Sanctions-savaged Russia teeters on brink of historic default
When the U.S. imposed the current round of sanctions on Russia and Belarus it set-off a financial nuclear bomb that can only be used once. Every country in the world at future risk of this --- China, Burma, India, Pakistan, every Arab nation --- will be rapidly dumping dollarized trade over the next 12-24 months. Once the world is dedollarized, the U.S. economy implodes ... permanently. The U.S. can only pay its debts and run its deficits if it controls the global currency market. Once it loses that, it loses everything. The next few decades will be difficult for the U.S. and any country closely linked to it (Canada, Australia, UK, NZ).Russia's de-dollarization drive more than symbolic
With the US imposing sanctions on other countries at the drop of a hat, in order to demand its pound of flesh, more and more countries are coming together to issue joint de-dollarization policies. Since about 10 percent of the countries and one quarter of the global population are suffering because of US sanctions, the de-dollarization trend is intensifying across the world.
https://global.chinadaily.com.cn/a/2022 ... 88834.html
Pack Rat wrote:if it quacks like a duck and walk like a duck, it's still fascism
viewtopic.php?f=8&t=241668&start=200#p5349880
------------Outside side of the fact ...The Crack head Yellen gave China 40 billon...Russia 17 billion...Iran 5 billion...In I guess The IFC... where Russia can still go to...Get money in pesos, Yen , any currency Russia wants upto 17 billion America Dollars worth...saxitoxin wrote:jusplay4fun wrote: Sanctions-savaged Russia teeters on brink of historic defaultWhen the U.S. imposed the current round of sanctions on Russia and Belarus it set-off a financial nuclear bomb that can only be used once. Every country in the world at future risk of this --- China, Burma, India, Pakistan, every Arab nation --- will be rapidly dumping dollarized trade over the next 12-24 months. Once the world is dedollarized, the U.S. economy implodes ... permanently. The U.S. can only pay its debts and run its deficits if it controls the global currency market. Once it loses that, it loses everything. The next few decades will be difficult for the U.S. and any country closely linked to it (Canada, Australia, UK, NZ).Russia's de-dollarization drive more than symbolic
With the US imposing sanctions on other countries at the drop of a hat, in order to demand its pound of flesh, more and more countries are coming together to issue joint de-dollarization policies. Since about 10 percent of the countries and one quarter of the global population are suffering because of US sanctions, the de-dollarization trend is intensifying across the world.
https://global.chinadaily.com.cn/a/2022 ... 88834.html
ConfederateSS.out!(The Blue and Silver Rebellion)... ....Hell, the Japanese bombed Hawaii, now they own just about the whole State of Hawaii, money, Business wise.......Alot of The farmland in Mainland USA...Good Thing America Won WW2.... Australia - population 20 million - thinks it can sanction China - population 1.3 billion.JOURNALIST: Is there potential for sanctions on China for its silence?
PRIME MINISTER: Well, we will move in lockstep with our partners and allies on these issues, and the United States has made some very clear statements about this and we support those statements. We support those statements and we support them because we think it's important that the whole world comes together to put an end to this terrible violence and aggression by Russia in Ukraine. There is no there is no equivalence, as China has seemed to have present between the claims of Ukraine and Russia. There is no equivalence. The rest of the world is not gone anywhere to suggest that. And I have been concerned that there has been some implicit support that has been there for the claims of Russia in Ukraine by China. I don't agree with that. Australia doesn't agree with that. Our partners and allies and liberal democracies around the world and Europe and other places in North America do not agree with that. And so I think it's very important for China to be very transparent about what is their relationship with Russia, what is their relationship with Russia when it comes to throwing them an economic lifeline during this global crisis? And potentially what, if any, support has been discussed for military support for Russia? Because that would be an abomination.
https://www.pm.gov.au/media/doorstop-burswood-wa
Pack Rat wrote:if it quacks like a duck and walk like a duck, it's still fascism
viewtopic.php?f=8&t=241668&start=200#p5349880
Pack Rat wrote:if it quacks like a duck and walk like a duck, it's still fascism
viewtopic.php?f=8&t=241668&start=200#p5349880
I could bet that half of US population dont even heard of Ukraine or dont give a F for war. Usualy some internal economic crises these wars come like cover up, to turn attention of citizens from all problems what you have in US or West Europe, and somehow all things what happening far away are much more important then your quality of life in your country.ConfederateSS wrote:------bigtoughralf wrote:Wars in shithole countries are just another TV channel alongside WWE and Cartoon Network, Americans can only watch it for about 30 minutes before getting bored and getting out their phones.Qwert wrote:I think that soon these war will be slowly move out of interest of west, and will be same like syrian civil war or like Afghanistan US debacle withdraw . i mean no one in US talk about 100 US citizens left in Afghanistan or how many SIV left behind . Its look that they are not anymore interesting for US audience .
-------------So, one good thing about the war... Americans knowledge of European Geography will jump a few points thanks to Social Media...But on a globe or a map, map, they still would be confused...Thanks American public school systems and teachers unions...But at least the kids will know where the 3rd bathrooms are...
Yugoslavia was neutral; not a Warsaw Pact memberjusplay4fun wrote:I think somewhat forgot the Marshall Plan. Oh, that's right, Serbia was taken over BY RUSSIAN troops. You did not get American aid, and neither did Ukraine.
How did THAT work out for Serbia? Empty shelves and Yu-(DON't)-go-s to drive? well done, well done....
How did West Germany do? Did they do OKAY after the WAR?? gee, I D K...!
No wonder you're jealous.
Pack Rat wrote:if it quacks like a duck and walk like a duck, it's still fascism
viewtopic.php?f=8&t=241668&start=200#p5349880
SFRY was creator of nonaligment organisation, after WWII Stalin try to include Yugoslavia into Warsaw PAct, but MArsal Tito say to hem NO!jusplay4fun wrote:I think somewhat forgot the Marshall Plan. Oh, that's right, Serbia was taken over BY RUSSIAN troops. You did not get American aid, and neither did Ukraine.
How did THAT work out for Serbia? Empty shelves and Yu-(DON't)-go-s to drive? well done, well done....
How did West Germany do? Did they do OKAY after the WAR?? gee, I D K...!
No wonder you're jealous.
Pack Rat wrote:if it quacks like a duck and walk like a duck, it's still fascism
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JP4F wrote:
saxi, the Russian Troll and thus the supporter of the Butcher of Ukraine
I know enough about history to post facts and well-based and well-informed opinions. I need not know every language or all the specific historical points of every nation to understand the "Big Picture" of world geo-politics. Nothing I said was incorrect with regards to Yugoslavia (or SFRY, as you want to refer to that former nation). SFRY, or simply Yugoslavia, was a conglomeration of many ethnic groups who were joined together by Marshall Tito and in the opposition to Hitler (and actual real Nazis under Hitler). The break-up of SFRY began to occur shortly after the death of Tito.Qwert wrote:SFRY was creator of nonaligment organisation, after WWII Stalin try to include Yugoslavia into Warsaw PAct, but MArsal Tito say to hem NO!jusplay4fun wrote:I think somewhat forgot the Marshall Plan. Oh, that's right, Serbia was taken over BY RUSSIAN troops. You did not get American aid, and neither did Ukraine.
How did THAT work out for Serbia? Empty shelves and Yu-(DON't)-go-s to drive? well done, well done....
How did West Germany do? Did they do OKAY after the WAR?? gee, I D K...!
No wonder you're jealous.
Like all americans you dont realy care about history of other nation and countries , other wise you will read history of SFRY before posting.
But you are right ,after these war its over Ukraine will get nothing from US, they will stay poor like they are all time from independence.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Socialist ... YugoslaviaDissolution and war
Main articles: Breakup of Yugoslavia and Yugoslav Wars
Tensions between the republics and nations of Yugoslavia intensified from the 1970s to the 1980s. The causes for the collapse of the country have been associated with nationalism, ethnic conflict, economic difficulty, frustration with government bureaucracy, the influence of important figures in the country, and international politics. Ideology and particularly nationalism has been seen by many as the primary source of the break up of Yugoslavia
https://theweek.com/russo-ukrainian-war ... -their-ownRussian troops in Ukraine are surrendering, sabotaging their own vehicles, Pentagon officials say
PETER WEBER
Russia's halting progress in its invasion of Ukraine has puzzled Western observers and analysts, but a senior Pentagon official told The New York Times on Tuesday that Russia's forces, plagued by low morale and food and fuel shortages, have suffered mass surrenders and self-sabotage by conscripts who "deliberately punched holes in their vehicles' gas tanks, presumably to avoid combat."
The Economist's Shashank Josh said a Pentagon source told him "with certainty" that Russians are sabotaging their own military vehicles.
U.S. and European officials said this mix of logistical failures and internal vandalism might explain why a 40-mile convoy of Russian military vehicles from Belarus has slowed to a crawl some 20 miles north of Kyiv, making it a target for Ukraine's armed forces, the Times reports. Other officials explain Russia's slow process by pointing to to stiffer-than-expected resistance from the Ukrainian forces and their surprisingly effective air defense, or suggest Russian commanders are just regrouping and calibrating their strategy.
https://www.businessinsider.com/some-ru ... ays-2022-3Some Russian troops are surrendering to Ukrainian forces without a fight as morale drops, US defense official says
Some Russian troops have been surrendering to Ukrainian forces "without a fight" as morale drops amid Russian President Vladimir Putin's invasion of Ukraine, a US senior defense official told reporters in a briefing on Tuesday.
The US official said that there has been evidence "of a certain risk averse behavior by the Russian military," in the last six days since Russia launched its attack on the eastern European country, CNN reported.
"You've seen it on the ground, where units are surrendering, sometimes without a fight," the official said, according to the news outlet.
The official said that many among Russia's military are young draftees who have never faced combat.
Pack Rat wrote:if it quacks like a duck and walk like a duck, it's still fascism
viewtopic.php?f=8&t=241668&start=200#p5349880
USSR never occupied Yugoslavia… but Yugoslavia was still a puppet state in the orbit of Moscow.Qwert wrote:...............jusplay4fun
Nothing I said was incorrect with regards to Yugoslavia (or SFRY, as you want to refer to that former nation)..................
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jusplay4fun wrote:
I think somewhat forgot the Marshall Plan. Oh, that's right, Serbia was taken over BY RUSSIAN troops. You did not get American aid, and neither did Ukraine.
How did THAT work out for Serbia? Empty shelves and Yu-(DON't)-go-s to drive? well done, well done....
How did West Germany do? Did they do OKAY after the WAR?? gee, I D K...!
No wonder you're jealous....................
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SFRY or Yugoslavia or Serbia never was occupy by Russian troops or USSR troops.
You compare West Germany with who?? You say you are right and read history but again you write something what its not true facts.
Ottomans, Austro-hungarians, Third Reich -they invade and occupy Serbia---USSR or Russia never occupy ,, but maybe you know something what i dont?
He would not.jimboston wrote:USSR never occupied Yugoslavia… but Yugoslavia was still a puppet state in the orbit of Moscow.Qwert wrote:...............jusplay4fun
Nothing I said was incorrect with regards to Yugoslavia (or SFRY, as you want to refer to that former nation)..................
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jusplay4fun wrote:
I think somewhat forgot the Marshall Plan. Oh, that's right, Serbia was taken over BY RUSSIAN troops. You did not get American aid, and neither did Ukraine.
How did THAT work out for Serbia? Empty shelves and Yu-(DON't)-go-s to drive? well done, well done....
How did West Germany do? Did they do OKAY after the WAR?? gee, I D K...!
No wonder you're jealous....................
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SFRY or Yugoslavia or Serbia never was occupy by Russian troops or USSR troops.
You compare West Germany with who?? You say you are right and read history but again you write something what its not true facts.
Ottomans, Austro-hungarians, Third Reich -they invade and occupy Serbia---USSR or Russia never occupy ,, but maybe you know something what i dont?
You can pretend that’s not true, but you’d be wrong.
Pack Rat wrote:if it quacks like a duck and walk like a duck, it's still fascism
viewtopic.php?f=8&t=241668&start=200#p5349880
Sure sure, even Russia not prevent Sanction against Serbia, dont want to use veto power in UN against Serbia, dont support Serbia when NAto attack Serbia,,, and still we are puppet state???? when we became puppet state of Russia???jimboston wrote:USSR never occupied Yugoslavia… but Yugoslavia was still a puppet state in the orbit of Moscow.Qwert wrote:...............jusplay4fun
Nothing I said was incorrect with regards to Yugoslavia (or SFRY, as you want to refer to that former nation)..................
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jusplay4fun wrote:
I think somewhat forgot the Marshall Plan. Oh, that's right, Serbia was taken over BY RUSSIAN troops. You did not get American aid, and neither did Ukraine.
How did THAT work out for Serbia? Empty shelves and Yu-(DON't)-go-s to drive? well done, well done....
How did West Germany do? Did they do OKAY after the WAR?? gee, I D K...!
No wonder you're jealous....................
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SFRY or Yugoslavia or Serbia never was occupy by Russian troops or USSR troops.
You compare West Germany with who?? You say you are right and read history but again you write something what its not true facts.
Ottomans, Austro-hungarians, Third Reich -they invade and occupy Serbia---USSR or Russia never occupy ,, but maybe you know something what i dont?
You can pretend that’s not true, but you’d be wrong.
When the war happened Russian was in no place interfere… and was trying to figure out its’ own place in the world.Qwert wrote:Sure sure, even Russia not prevent Sanction against Serbia, dont want to use veto power in UN against Serbia, dont support Serbia when NAto attack Serbia,,, and still we are puppet state???? when we became puppet state of Russia???jimboston wrote:USSR never occupied Yugoslavia… but Yugoslavia was still a puppet state in the orbit of Moscow.Qwert wrote:...............jusplay4fun
Nothing I said was incorrect with regards to Yugoslavia (or SFRY, as you want to refer to that former nation)..................
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jusplay4fun wrote:
I think somewhat forgot the Marshall Plan. Oh, that's right, Serbia was taken over BY RUSSIAN troops. You did not get American aid, and neither did Ukraine.
How did THAT work out for Serbia? Empty shelves and Yu-(DON't)-go-s to drive? well done, well done....
How did West Germany do? Did they do OKAY after the WAR?? gee, I D K...!
No wonder you're jealous....................
=====================================
SFRY or Yugoslavia or Serbia never was occupy by Russian troops or USSR troops.
You compare West Germany with who?? You say you are right and read history but again you write something what its not true facts.
Ottomans, Austro-hungarians, Third Reich -they invade and occupy Serbia---USSR or Russia never occupy ,, but maybe you know something what i dont?
You can pretend that’s not true, but you’d be wrong.
