Germany/France/Mexico Denounce Biden Anti-Dissent Crackdown

[2dimes]

I am telling you that if you're a wyoming voter, your vote counts 4 times compared to a floridian voter and that is hardly democratic.

You've obviously never met anyone from Florida. If you had, you would agree they should have as little vote as possible, too.

Are you guys upset because the incumbent won in Florida?

[jimboston]

Signs of fraud piling up in Michigan:

- Post Office whistleblower claims supervisor instructed them to backdate postmarks on late election ballots in Detroit post office [LINK]
- Vote counters board-up windows to block views of observers, illegally order GOP observers out of counting room [LINK]
- Antrim County investigated after counting "discrepancy" [LINK]

President Trump has no obligation to turn-over the presidency to Biden if he fraudulently won the vote. Trump has been reelected President and will begin his second term in January 2021.

Saxi - Mad Spin Doctor

That’s your super villain name...

[jimboston]

Ah, fortunately we live in a much better place.

You do realize if the shit truly hit the fan here in the good ‘ole USA... Canada would not be pain free.

Wishing us ill helps you naught

[Falkomagno]

The end of the clown is near

[Falkomagno]

Biden looks screwed even if he wins

At a minimum, the lackluster performance of Democratic Senate candidates would hamstring a President Biden from Day One.

https://www.politico.com/news/2020/11/0 ... ins-434013

If Biden ends up stealing the election, Republicans can still utterly destroy the oldest president in history as both a politician and as a person. The GOP still controls the Senate, the GOP has eaten into the Democratic House majority, and Biden will have underperformed in the election. Plus, we now control more state governments than a week ago and Trump is still in charge of deciding the final census results. We can now spend the next two years redrawing every legislative and congressional district in America to favor the GOP.

On his way out the door, Trump can do extreme damage. Moving forward, the GOP-run Senate can announce it will refuse to enact a single piece of legislation or confirm a single judge in the next two years. Refuse to pass any budget and let the government shut down for weeks on end so that Americans associate paralysis and failure with a Democratic presidency. Launch a revolving door of investigations into Biden to drain his personal finances on lawyers. Watch his leftist base erode as he has to pay back so-called Lincoln Republicans with cabinet posts. Sue Biden for everything - sue Biden if he closes the door to the Oval Office and sue him if he leaves it open. Appeal every lawsuit to the Trump-chosen Supreme Court.

Such a masterpiece! Probably Putin and Xi getting together rooting for this to happen

[2dimes]

Ah, fortunately we live in a much better place.

You do realize if the shit truly hit the fan here in the good ‘ole USA... Canada would not be pain free.

Wishing us ill helps you naught

Yes, very much, also I think Canada is in trouble either way.

I am not a wisher, if I were I would wish benevolent things toward your country which I love.

I would have moved to Hawaii if I were single or my wife was braver, then probably somewhere back on the continent.

Sorry.

Maybe I should not have posted that comment or otherwise mock people for thinking Canada, England, Spain, China, Australia, New Zealand, Outer Mongolia, Rhodesia and or France is/are any better than the US, just because I think that is incorrect.

Maybe I should have added some sort of sarcasm warning.

It already makes me sad seeing people shooting each other. Even if access to stories about it might exaggerate how bad things are. I think it is most certainly too bad already and neither candidate will bring a noticeable improvement.

The results of this election are too close, it's just another thing to fight about. Which is not funny when folks are going offline and committing physical acts of violence.

The few things that were slightly better about Canada are being eroded. We used to be kind/polite and everyone received similar levels of medical attention regardless of financial position. More and more, people here are being assholes and if you have enough money you can buy better medical treatments.

I have very much enjoyed going to several places in the US and noticing how many wonderful people I have been blessed to interact with. It upsets me to lose that. The border is closed and everyone is grouchy on both sides.

[DoomYoshi]

your whole system is based on things that made sense like 250 years ago. you guys have such a young country that you think your constitution shouldn't ever be touched or something... and avoid modernity. A lot of things have changed since the horse and carriage. Like we got steam trains and all that.

Who are “you guys”?

We have a system for changing the Constitution. It’s been amended in the past and will be amended again.

It’s unlikely to get amended in the atmosphere of vitriol we have now... and atmosphere that is flamed by the two parties that benefit most from dividing and ruling the people... but please don’t paint all Americans with one brush.

I support the idea of modifying the rules and system.

I just can’t stand people who say things like “Trump really lost in 2016 because he lost the popular vote.”
Statements like that, and the feelings they confirm, are idiotic and childlike.

stop being a broken record. Where did I say that.... I've given you different arguments, and you keep on repeating the popular vote thing. I am telling you that if you're a wyoming voter, your vote counts 4 times compared to a floridian voter and that is hardly democratic. And that waiting 2 month for the new president to start his mandate is ridiculous.
Also... letting lobbies corruption as a totally normal and legal thing is really totally third worldish. In europe, the campaign budgets are capped, and it's illegal to have private entities that put money in your campaign... because it's obviously in exchange of favours once that candidate is in place.... ergo corruption. Working for a company's interest instead of the nation's interest.
It's absolutely ridiculous to have 2candidates spending billions in their campaign with lobbies and big company money.

betiko, the one problem with democracy has always been the classic "wolves and sheep" argument. Two wolves and a sheep vote on what to have for dinner.

Basically the problem is that the majority can actually vote to repress the minority. Weighting states unevenly is one way to prevent that.

Biden looks screwed even if he wins

At a minimum, the lackluster performance of Democratic Senate candidates would hamstring a President Biden from Day One.

https://www.politico.com/news/2020/11/0 ... ins-434013

If Biden ends up stealing the election, Republicans can still utterly destroy the oldest president in history as both a politician and as a person. The GOP still controls the Senate, the GOP has eaten into the Democratic House majority, and Biden will have underperformed in the election. Plus, we now control more state governments than a week ago and Trump is still in charge of deciding the final census results. We can now spend the next two years redrawing every legislative and congressional district in America to favor the GOP.

On his way out the door, Trump can do extreme damage. Moving forward, the GOP-run Senate can announce it will refuse to enact a single piece of legislation or confirm a single judge in the next two years. Refuse to pass any budget and let the government shut down for weeks on end so that Americans associate paralysis and failure with a Democratic presidency. Launch a revolving door of investigations into Biden to drain his personal finances on lawyers. Watch his leftist base erode as he has to pay back so-called Lincoln Republicans with cabinet posts. Sue Biden for everything - sue Biden if he closes the door to the Oval Office and sue him if he leaves it open. Appeal every lawsuit to the Trump-chosen Supreme Court.

I mean you KNOW you’ve made a good decision for your chosen leader when you are hoping he does “extreme damage”.
That’s a leader!

Saxi has never wanted a good leader for the United States. He wants America to be a failing state so that an alliance of Russia, Syria and North Korea can rule the earth. That is why he supports Trump because he views Trump as the best way to ruin the United States. However, he is wrong, Trump has not ruined the United States and will not if given another 4 year mandate.

[betiko]

lol but he has already lost doom. And if he doesn't leave then this is civil war. he has known for month that he would not win again, and has been preparing the field warning about supposed frauds in mail ballots because he knew those would make the difference in favor of biden. He is the worse kind of sore loser.

[jonesthecurl]

So tell me, why did the dems cheat enough to get Trump out, but not bother to cheat enough to get the Senate?

They were only able to stuff the ballot boxes in states which Democrats ran; that's just enough to illegitimately put Biden over the top. The Rats don't control elections in Alaska and Kentucky and had to play by fair rules, therefore, they lost their Senate races in those states .

It's obvious that there are large numbers of people who want Republicans in power, but not Trump. Or else Congress would have moved to blue.

[betiko]

by the way... everywhere red is for left and blue is for right. why do you guys mix those up with your parties?

[riskllama]

by the way... everywhere red is for left and blue is for right. why do you guys mix those up with your parties?

same reason they don't use the metric system? dunno, best guess...

[jonesthecurl]

by the way... everywhere red is for left and blue is for right. why do you guys mix those up with your parties?

I know - I have to do a double-take each time I look at an election map.

[Evil Semp]

I think they should have in-person polls for a week... and mail-in only if requested and only if you state a valid reason.
There SHOULD be some barriers to voting... like caring.

I would hope that the people who support the second amendment would be up in arms with that suggestion. And I am not talking about the caring part. If someone votes I give them the benefit of the doubt that they care. Even if they do vote by mail.

I support mail-in voting... especially during a pandemic.. but I don’t think the government should mail out unsolicited ballots.

.. and yes you should have a valid reason.
It can be as simple as you checking a box saying “for health reasons”, and then you sign it.

Which part of my proposal do you take exception with?

Why can’t they have polls that run for a week in a city or town hall... if you have whole week to go then you don’t have the ‘excuse’ that it;s not convenient, and there would be no lines. They could even setup a website to tell you estimated waiting time at your precinct.

The part in red is what I have a problem with. Like I said before if they are voting they probably care. And barriers are a way of suppressing voters.

[Evil Semp]

I think they should have in-person polls for a week... and mail-in only if requested and only if you state a valid reason.
There SHOULD be some barriers to voting... like caring.

I would hope that the people who support the second amendment would be up in arms with that suggestion. And I am not talking about the caring part. If someone votes I give them the benefit of the doubt that they care. Even if they do vote by mail.

I support mail-in voting... especially during a pandemic.. but I don’t think the government should mail out unsolicited ballots.

.. and yes you should have a valid reason.
It can be as simple as you checking a box saying “for health reasons”, and then you sign it.

Which part of my proposal do you take exception with?

Why can’t they have polls that run for a week in a city or town hall... if you have whole week to go then you don’t have the ‘excuse’ that it;s not convenient, and there would be no lines. They could even setup a website to tell you estimated waiting time at your precinct.

The part in red is what I have a problem with. Like I said before if they are voting they probably care. And barriers are a way of suppressing voters.

Kinda surprised no one has mentioned the multiple states that each had hundreds of thousands of votes entered for one candidate whilst zero entered for the other... All that happened at a shift change...

I haven't seen anything about this. Is there a link?

[mookiemcgee]

I think they should have in-person polls for a week... and mail-in only if requested and only if you state a valid reason.
There SHOULD be some barriers to voting... like caring.

I would hope that the people who support the second amendment would be up in arms with that suggestion. And I am not talking about the caring part. If someone votes I give them the benefit of the doubt that they care. Even if they do vote by mail.

I support mail-in voting... especially during a pandemic.. but I don’t think the government should mail out unsolicited ballots.

.. and yes you should have a valid reason.
It can be as simple as you checking a box saying “for health reasons”, and then you sign it.

Which part of my proposal do you take exception with?

Why can’t they have polls that run for a week in a city or town hall... if you have whole week to go then you don’t have the ‘excuse’ that it;s not convenient, and there would be no lines. They could even setup a website to tell you estimated waiting time at your precinct.

The part in red is what I have a problem with. Like I said before if they are voting they probably care. And barriers are a way of suppressing voters.

It feels like Jim's answer assumes some sort of standardized national system... unfortunately there are 50 countries doing things each in their own way in america. The laws/rules for each election are set now for 2020, debating what to do four years from now if fun but sort of irrelevant to what going on right now.

In any case, with GA showing a .2% margin and 99% now in that ones seems certain to go to recount unless Biden win outright without it. Wisconsin has been called... but is within 1% so Trump campaign can pay 3 million and get a recount there. I'm not sure either candidate can 'win' without a final result in at least one of these two. So I'm officially tuned out til Monday!

[Kotaro]

Kinda surprised no one has mentioned the multiple states that each had hundreds of thousands of votes entered for one candidate whilst zero entered for the other... All that happened at a shift change...

I haven't seen anything about this. Is there a link?

Yeah, I haven't read anything like this, and I've been trying to keep up with as many legitimate news sources as I can. Seems more likely he is referring to mail in ballots getting entered, which is a place where Biden would probably excel since Democrats are avoiding polls more to stop the spread, while Trump voters would likely avoid since they've been attacking that form of mailing as corrupt.

The part in red is what I have a problem with. Like I said before if they are voting they probably care. And barriers are a way of suppressing voters.

Couldn't agree less, there should be more barriers in this country. People are having children they can't support, blowing money on recreation/booze/cigarettes/illegal narcotics instead of eating healthy or purchasing healthcare, and many other bad choices in their life in the name of 'freedom.' This country needs a huge injection of intelligence, cause we ain't got none.

[riskllama]

Jd gets his "news" from a guy in a toque so, likely just some made up, right wing bullshit.

[Evil Semp]

Kinda surprised no one has mentioned the multiple states that each had hundreds of thousands of votes entered for one candidate whilst zero entered for the other... All that happened at a shift change...

I haven't seen anything about this. Is there a link?

Yeah, I haven't read anything like this, and I've been trying to keep up with as many legitimate news sources as I can. Seems more likely he is referring to mail in ballots getting entered, which is a place where Biden would probably excel since Democrats are avoiding polls more to stop the spread, while Trump voters would likely avoid since they've been attacking that form of mailing as corrupt.

The part in red is what I have a problem with. Like I said before if they are voting they probably care. And barriers are a way of suppressing voters.

Couldn't agree less, there should be more barriers in this country. People are having children they can't support, blowing money on recreation/booze/cigarettes/illegal narcotics instead of eating healthy or purchasing healthcare, and many other bad choices in their life in the name of 'freedom.' This country needs a huge injection of intelligence, cause we ain't got none.

What barriers would you put on voting? The comment about children they can't support has noting to do with my comment. That is a whole other thread.

[Evil Semp]

Couldn't agree less, there should be more barriers in this country. People are having children they can't support, blowing money on recreation/booze/cigarettes/illegal narcotics instead of eating healthy or purchasing healthcare, and many other bad choices in their life in the name of 'freedom.' This country needs a huge injection of intelligence, cause we ain't got none.

You are saying that we should have barriers on voting? The bad choices in their lives is a whole other thread.

[Evil Semp]

If President Trump did all or some of things Saxi says President Trump should do would only show that he doesn't love the country as much as he says he does.

[DoomYoshi]

by the way... everywhere red is for left and blue is for right. why do you guys mix those up with your parties?

The Republican party was created by Abraham Lincoln to free slaves. At the time, that was a highly left-wing position to take.
The Democrat party is the party of the KKK and slavery and populist government (it was founded by Ol' Hickory).

The colors are fully in-line with the rest of the world. Donald Trump is a big government lockdown socialist, which is why he gets along with Putin. That is also why he supported the Democrat party for his entire life and had the Clintons and other notable Democrats at his wedding.

That is also why he carries Mao's Little Red Book everywhere and swears on it.

[mookiemcgee]

If you watch Tucker Carlson on fox, he's making repeated allusions for the last 48 hours to voter fraud and things like 100% of votes going to biden in some of the count reports in some states that have come through but he doesn't site any actual evidence he just interviews republican shills who opinion-ate about how true it is will also not providing any evidence or documentation.

There are plenty of 'claims' online going around of voter fraud also. One popular one is about voters in AZ being given sharpies instead of ballpoint pens to vote with on election day and how this was some conspiracy to defraud them of their vote since in most states sharpies aren't allowed. But in AZ sharpies are allowed to use to vote with so that one got debunked immediately.

As far as Kotaro's opinion about restricting a citizens right to vote... everyone is welcome to their opinion, but restricting your right to vote because you are poor or make bad life decisions is unconstitutional and frankly un-american. The suggestion that someone needs to 'eat the right foods' or have a certain level or education or pass some intelligence test in order to be allowed to vote is sort of... antiquated. While it might result in a 'better run gov't' , it's a pretty 'un-american' idea.

If someone is arrested and successfully prosecuted (for anything above a misdemeanor) they can't vote in any state until their sentence is complete, with some states putting on further restrictions. There are barriers to voting now, most of them make sense and more importantly states are free to make their own rules and make them different from their neighbors which I think is great (but very messy)!

[saxitoxin]

As far as Kotaro's opinion about restricting a citizens right to vote... everyone is welcome to their opinion, but restricting your right to vote because you are poor or make bad life decisions is unconstitutional and frankly un-american.

Just because you disagree with it makes it neither unconstitutional nor un-American.

American constitutional law grows out of common law which has long recognized the concept of civil death, that a person who acts as an outlaw must live as an outlaw - literally, outside the law, without recourse to legal processes including voting. Historically in civil death, a felon could be murdered with impunity as he did not exist in the eyes of the state. The modern notion of felon disenfranchisement is much more gentle.

[saxitoxin]

lol but he has already lost doom. And if he doesn't leave then this is civil war.

Who will win that? The 50% of the population that have 100,000,000 privately owned guns, total support by the police unions, and with legal command of the armed forces, or, the 50% of the population that includes Beta Cucks, dance therapists, and mookiemcgee?

There's a reason the Democrat Party lost the last civil war.

The Republican Party is 1-0 in civil wars; we'll do just fine.

[mookiemcgee]

As far as Kotaro's opinion about restricting a citizens right to vote... everyone is welcome to their opinion, but restricting your right to vote because you are poor or make bad life decisions is unconstitutional and frankly un-american.

Just because you disagree with it makes it neither unconstitutional nor un-American.

American constitutional law grows out of common law which has long recognized the concept of civil death, that a person who acts as an outlaw must live as an outlaw - literally, outside the law, without recourse to legal processes including voting. Historically in civil death, a felon could be murdered with impunity as he did not exist in the eyes of the state. The modern notion of felon disenfranchisement is much more gentle.

I was wrong to suggest it's unconstitutional. It is (imo) not in line with American values for the last 150 years.