Rabbid BLM Leftist Murders Trump Supporter At Denver Rally

[2dimes]

One of them.

[strike wolf]

Look. Youre all missing the point. The point is that just like an unarmed black man, this guy probably didnt deserve to be shot in the face. The difference is that unlike most cops, this guy will probably prosecuted. That is if Trump doesnt want more 'retribution'.

[mookiemcgee]

Look. Youre all missing the point. The point is that just like an unarmed black man, this guy probably didnt deserve to be shot in the face. The difference is that unlike most cops, this guy will probably prosecuted. That is if Trump doesnt want more 'retribution'.

Pretty much.

Its pretty clear the guy sprayed mace at the security guard who was pointing a gun at him, and then got shot in retaliation. He's not a cop and there is certainly room to question if legally he should have a gun pulled, but the action itself in that moment is clearly self defense.

This is a long distance angle, but you can make out the cloud of mace he sprayed and the sound of the can spraying followed very shortly after by the gunshot and the very quick takedown by the police of the shooter who immediately surrendered.

[2dimes]

I'm not watching that currently but did end up watching the last one where buddy gets his "altercation" as Duke called it out of frame.

I suppose we can all decide if we accept getting maced, or kill the guy while getting still getting maced.

Regardless of what legal ramifications the security guard is subject to he has to live with shooting a guy in the face and the fact it caused a fatal wound. Then again, how worried are you about a guy getting your side iron after he maced you?

Strange times folks. Stack some silver?

[Jdsizzleslice]

The shooter was NOT LICENSED to be a security guard.

So 9News hired a man who was illegally acing as a security guard? Illegally hired then. If I were related to the victim, the man who was shot and died, I would sue.

[riskllama]

lol, of course you would....

*acting

[Dukasaur]

Pretty confident there will be a lawsuit there.

[jusplay4fun]

of COURSE there will be a lawsuit and someone will SUE. This is 'murica, AND.....we have too many LAWYERS.

Pretty confident there will be a lawsuit there.

[mrswdk]

The shooter was NOT LICENSED to be a security guard.

So 9News hired a man who was illegally acing as a security guard? Illegally hired then. If I were related to the victim, the man who was shot and died, I would sue.

i.e. you would hide behind the government’s judicial system because you are not independent enough to sort out your own problems.

[riskllama]

[nagerous]

How on earth is a moderator and representative of the CC administration allowed to post such sensationalism?

This site really has gone down the toilet

[2dimes]

Right? He's no twill, that's for sure.

[Jdsizzleslice]

How on earth is a moderator and representative of the CC administration allowed to post such sensationalism?

This site really has gone down the toilet

What about my post is inaccurate?

What about my post is sensationalistic?

Are not moderators here on CC allowed to express their viewpoints in the off-topics forum?

You do realize I am not the only moderator who speaks their mind; so does that mean that other moderators, according to you, should be unable to speak their mind, or just me because of my viewpoints?

Right? He's no twill, that's for sure.

How dare you.

[2dimes]

[mookiemcgee]

How on earth is a moderator and representative of the CC administration allowed to post such sensationalism?

This site really has gone down the toilet

What about my post is inaccurate?
Rabbid BLM Leftist Murders Trump Supporter (your ONLY evidence presented of this is youtube video from far right media influencer)

What about my post is sensationalistic?
Rabbid BLM Leftist Murders Trump Supporter (doubt you will even make an effort to defend calling him rabbid, which is so obviously sensationalistic you don't even attempt to provide evidence)

Are not moderators here on CC allowed to express their viewpoints in the off-topics forum?
They sure are! IMO you are more then welcome to post sensationalistic inaccurate garbage that reflects your strong bias to only listening to facts you want to hear. If you want to have 'Saxi envy' and mortgage your integrity as a 'reasonable' poster that is entirely your choice!

Also worth noting in terms of inaccuracies:
You said shooter was an antifa supporter, Denver police say he is not


Early claims of a political motivation may have originated with a Denver Post story that stated without a source that a left-wing demonstrator had fired the gun. The Post has since retracted that claim. (your original 'citation' article, has been retracted. You can re-read your own link if you don't believe me)

In the other article you yourself linked from the daily mail it states:

The Denver Police Department (DPD) has said Dolloff had no known affiliation with the Black Lives Matter and Antifa group that staged a counter-protest against the Patriot Muster rally on Saturday at the Denver Civic Center.

So apparently he wasn't rabbid, or BLM, or Antifa... he was just a guy at work who got hit in the face (image below) then had mace sprayed in his face, and then fired a weapon once in self defense and immediately surrendered. So yeah plenty of sensationalism and inaccuracies in what you've posted.

"Rules for thee but not for me" = JD is a hypocrite

[Keefie]

Mookiemcgee wins the thread

[riskllama]

lol, rekt.

[Jdsizzleslice]

How on earth is a moderator and representative of the CC administration allowed to post such sensationalism?

This site really has gone down the toilet

What about my post is inaccurate?
Rabbid BLM Leftist Murders Trump Supporter (your ONLY evidence presented of this is youtube video from far right media influencer)

What about my post is sensationalistic?
Rabbid BLM Leftist Murders Trump Supporter (doubt you will even make an effort to defend calling him rabbid, which is so obviously sensationalistic you don't even attempt to provide evidence)

Are not moderators here on CC allowed to express their viewpoints in the off-topics forum?
They sure are! IMO you are more then welcome to post sensationalistic inaccurate garbage that reflects your strong bias to only listening to facts you want to hear. If you want to have 'Saxi envy' and mortgage your integrity as a 'reasonable' poster that is entirely your choice!

Also worth noting in terms of inaccuracies:
You said shooter was an antifa supporter, Denver police say he is not


Early claims of a political motivation may have originated with a Denver Post story that stated without a source that a left-wing demonstrator had fired the gun. The Post has since retracted that claim. (your original 'citation' article, has been retracted. You can re-read your own link if you don't believe me)

In the other article you yourself linked from the daily mail it states:

The Denver Police Department (DPD) has said Dolloff had no known affiliation with the Black Lives Matter and Antifa group that staged a counter-protest against the Patriot Muster rally on Saturday at the Denver Civic Center.

So apparently he wasn't rabbid, or BLM, or Antifa... he was just a guy at work who got hit in the face (image below) then had mace sprayed in his face, and then fired a weapon once in self defense and immediately surrendered. So yeah plenty of sensationalism and inaccuracies in what you've posted.

"Rules for thee but not for me" = JD is a hypocrite

A. Tim Pool is more liberal than you mookie. He is not a far-right individual.

B. Rabid means "having or proceeding from an extreme or fanatical support of or belief in something." Another term that could be used is extremist or over-zealous. These descriptions fit this person's actions, my reasoning for using rabid is in Part C.

C. My facts are consistent with what is evidence has been presented. He is confirmed to believe in the far-left ideology.

I never said that the shooter was a member of Antifa or BLM. The difference between supporting something and being a member of something is quite clear-cut. The shooter was not a member of Antifa or BLM but was indeed a BLM supporter and an Antifa supporter. His social media posts (look at section 2 of this article as well, and Tim Pool goes over some social media posts made by the shooter as well) over the past few years confirms his support for these groups. Meaning he absolutely agreed with the ideologies. And we have seen extreme violence from both ideologies. I think this is worse, since this guy wasn't a member, but someone who just believed the ideologies to be true.

The events of the incident have been reported to have been started by a verbal altercation, according to witnesses, where the shooter approaches the victim. It's quite possible that the victim in this case struck the shooter first, but both arms are reached out, so it seems as if both were trying to reach the other person.

From the photos and witness accounts, after the victim slapped the shooter, he backed up and did not lunge toward the shooter. The mace was sprayed right as the shooter's gun was drawn and fired. It would be extremely hard to claim self-defense in this case, seeing as the victim backed up and made no attempt to re-approach the shooter.

You can try to insult me all you want, but don't let your feelings of your disagreement with me get in the way of seeing the entire picture of what happened here.

[2dimes]

Who is the second suspect? It says, 2 suspects are now in custody...

One I presume is the guy that shot the victim.

[Jdsizzleslice]

Who is the second suspect? It says, 2 suspects are now in custody...

One I presume is the guy that shot the victim.

I remember reading one citation that said that a reporter was also initially arrested, and has since been released, but I cannot find which article I saw that information in.

Please fact check me on this.

UPDATE:

Here: https://www.9news.com/article/news/crim ... fbe0730e0e

DPD originally took two people into custody and later found the second individual, a 9NEWS producer who works in the investigative unit, was not involved in the incident. The producer is no longer in police custody and is not a suspect.

[degaston]

I never said that the shooter was a member of Antifa or BLM. The difference between supporting something and being a member of something is quite clear-cut.

Is it? Well, I'm not an expert on either one, but since it's so clear-cut, perhaps you could tell us what, exactly, that difference is?

For example, the difference between being a supporter vs a member of the Proud Boys seems very clear cut:

According to David Neiwert, the Proud Boys recruit with emphasis on right-wing 15–30 year old white males who come primarily from suburbs and exurbs. The Proud Boys say they have an initiation process that has four stages and includes hazing. The first stage is a loyalty oath, on the order of "I’m a proud Western chauvinist, I refuse to apologize for creating the modern world"; the second is getting punched until the person recites pop culture trivia, such as the names of five breakfast cereals; the third is getting a tattoo and agreeing to not masturbate; and the fourth is getting into a major fight "for the cause."

But I can't seem to find the initiation rites for either BLM or Antifa, so please share them with us.

[mookiemcgee]

A. Tim Pool is more liberal than you mookie. He is not a far-right individual.
Tim Pool is not evidence of anything except that a guy can make a living on youtube by ginning people up with 'theories'

B. Rabid means "having or proceeding from an extreme or fanatical support of or belief in something." Another term that could be used is extremist or over-zealous. These descriptions fit this person's actions, my reasoning for using rabid is in Part C.

Which is is JD? He's not a member of BLM or Antifa... but he has fanatical support for their cause? He's an extremist Antifa BLM rabbid leftist, but he doesn't belong to any leftist organization nor does he generally attend rallies unless his employer bring him to one.

You didn't title this thread "Horrible Tragedy occurs as fight escalates in Downtown Denver", instead you chose "Rabbid BLM Leftist Murders Trump Supporter" and now your are seriously trying to claim it was sensationalistic???

C. My facts are consistent with what is evidence has been presented. He is confirmed to believe in the far-left ideology.

I never said that the shooter was a member of Antifa or BLM.
Your headline is Rabbit BLM leftist...but you never said he was BLM??? and there is nothing sensational about that in your mind? Come'on bro

The events of the incident have been reported to have been started by a verbal altercation, according to witnesses, where the shooter approaches the victim. It's quite possible that the victim in this case struck the shooter first, but both arms are reached out, so it seems as if both were trying to reach the other person.

From the photos and witness accounts, after the victim slapped the shooter, he backed up and did not lunge toward the shooter. The mace was sprayed right as the shooter's gun was drawn and fired. It would be extremely hard to claim self-defense in this case, seeing as the victim backed up and made no attempt to re-approach the shooter.

If someone attacks you with a weapon (you can spray mace in someones face from several feet away, and mace is a weapon, and being sprayed in the face with it is certainly an attack), and you are holding a weapon and use it to fight back that is pretty much the definition of self defense.

You can try to insult me all you want, but don't let your feelings of your disagreement with me get in the way of seeing the entire picture of what happened here.

You asked if you were being inaccurate or sensational. I simply pointed out all the ways in which you were doing both. I respect your right to have your own opinion even if it's entirely misinformed and was simply stating such

[nagerous]

How on earth is a moderator and representative of the CC administration allowed to post such sensationalism?

This site really has gone down the toilet

What about my post is inaccurate?

What about my post is sensationalistic?

Are not moderators here on CC allowed to express their viewpoints in the off-topics forum?

You do realize I am not the only moderator who speaks their mind; so does that mean that other moderators, according to you, should be unable to speak their mind, or just me because of my viewpoints?

Right? He's no twill, that's for sure.

How dare you.

I have no issues with moderators expressing viewpoints. I have never challenged Night Strike or Dukasaur to state that as community representatives appointed by the owners of the website, WHICH YOU ARE, that they are not allowed to express views.

My issue concerns the sensationalist subject title. It is racially driven. My question is why would you create a specific thread and refer to this one off event, where are your threads highlighting the countless cases of police brutality and murder of black civilians and the countless racial injustices that have occurred. The reality is you don’t want to create a thread on those because it doesn’t suit your racially driven right-wing agenda. I’m quite frankly appalled and disgusted

[Jdsizzleslice]

I never said that the shooter was a member of Antifa or BLM. The difference between supporting something and being a member of something is quite clear-cut.

Is it? Well, I'm not an expert on either one, but since it's so clear-cut, perhaps you could tell us what, exactly, that difference is?

Supporting a cause versus being a member of that same cause. Two different things. For example, I can support anti-abortion groups by agreeing with their ideology, but that doesn't mean I am showing up to Planned Parenthood either by protesting or showing up with pitchforks.

For example, the difference between being a supporter vs a member of the Proud Boys seems very clear cut:

According to David Neiwert, the Proud Boys recruit with emphasis on right-wing 15–30 year old white males who come primarily from suburbs and exurbs. The Proud Boys say they have an initiation process that has four stages and includes hazing. The first stage is a loyalty oath, on the order of "I’m a proud Western chauvinist, I refuse to apologize for creating the modern world"; the second is getting punched until the person recites pop culture trivia, such as the names of five breakfast cereals; the third is getting a tattoo and agreeing to not masturbate; and the fourth is getting into a major fight "for the cause."

But I can't seem to find the initiation rites for either BLM or Antifa, so please share them with us.

The main chairman of the Proud Boys is Afro-Cuban, and they have chapters that are minority-majority of individuals. So no, they don't focus on "white males."

Antifa and BLM also have chapters or divisions around the country located in different cities.

Tim Pool is not evidence of anything except that a guy can make a living on youtube by ginning people up with 'theories'

Which theories are you referring to? He does great journalism, and I happen to disagree with a number of his stances policy-wise. You can recognize when someone is presenting evidence and facts versus fake news and conspiracy.

Which is is JD? He's not a member of BLM or Antifa... but he has fanatical support for their cause? He's an extremist Antifa BLM rabbid leftist, but he doesn't belong to any leftist organization nor does he generally attend rallies unless his employer bring him to one.

You can have fanatical support for a cause and not be a member of that cause... Yes. And you mean the same employer that illegally hired him to be there, and didn't pre-screen this individual?

You didn't title this thread "Horrible Tragedy occurs as fight escalates in Downtown Denver", instead you chose "Rabbid BLM Leftist Murders Trump Supporter" and now your are seriously trying to claim it was sensationalistic???

I already explained why I chose the word rabid and gave you a few other drop-in replacement words to express my viewpoint. Yes, this individual believed extreme views, and acted upon them. That's not sensationalistic. Agree to disagree, I suppose.

Your headline is Rabbit BLM leftist...but you never said he was BLM??? and there is nothing sensational about that in your mind? Come'on bro

Ok... Should I change the title to read "Rabbid BLM Supporting Leftist" then to meet your standards??? Adding the word "supporting" here doesn't add or take away from what I am trying to say...

If someone attacks you with a weapon (you can spray mace in someones face from several feet away, and mace is a weapon, and being sprayed in the face with it is certainly an attack), and you are holding a weapon and use it to fight back that is pretty much the definition of self defense.

Victim was holding pepper spray the entire time. Pepper spray is not a lethal weapon, and didn't use the spray until the gun had been raised, aimed, and fired. Meaning that a case for self-defense is extremely thin and most likely won't hold up in court.

You asked if you were being inaccurate or sensational. I simply pointed out all the ways in which you were doing both. I respect your right to have your own opinion even if it's entirely misinformed and was simply stating such

And I disagree that it is sensationalistic. And I have pointed out that your claims of misinformation do not align with the evidence of what we know. We can agree to disagree as long as we have a respectful conversation, but I see that may not be the case here based on your initial response.

My issue concerns the sensationalist subject title. It is racially driven. My question is why would you create a specific thread and refer to this one off event, where are your threads highlighting the countless cases of police brutality and murder of black civilians and the countless racial injustices that have occurred. The reality is you don’t want to create a thread on those because it doesn’t suit your racially driven right-wing agenda. I’m quite frankly appalled and disgusted

Um. There is nothing in this story that involves race. Both people involved were white... How can this even possibly be racially driven?

There are threads in this forum where we discuss police brutality and systemic racism. I have made my argument as to why my viewpoint is that systemic racism does not exist in the US (but maybe after California passes Prop. 209 this November!) in other topics. You're simply mistaken, as I have talked about this issue before, and completely disagree with the notion that police are targeting black people based on race. You are appalled and disgusted due to the fact that you have not done your own research to either find my viewpoint or ask me what my viewpoint is.

[mrswdk]

It wasn’t until the second paragraph that I checked the poster and realised this wasn’t a saxi thread

Well played, j.