US police destroy home, untouchable

[KoolBak]

Just checked. My insurance agent says yes, its all covered, and he got a good laugh that I'm debating over this shit on a gaming site

[jimboston]

Sure. Home insurance covers damages from break in / home invasion. If he didn't have insurance I'd say that's his problem as it's required

Only required if you have a mortgage.
Theoretically you can opt to not have insurance if you own a house outright.

Also, what’s covered may vary from policy to policy or state to state.

Assuming the homeowner has insurance... they don’t want it to affect their rates nd were hoping the city would pay.

[KoolBak]

Ok negative nancy

[saxitoxin]

Assuming the homeowner has insurance... they don’t want it to affect their rates nd were hoping the city would pay.

If the homeowner had insurance, the insurance company would have been the plaintiff in the suit, not the homeowner. The homeowner would have been made good on his losses and the insurance company would be seeking to recover their costs.

So actually the headline should read:

Rich CEO of Multi-Billion Dollar Insurance Company Sues Small Town, Small Town Wins!

A fantastic David vs. Goliath story. Thank you for sharing, mrswdk!

[mrswdk]

I like how everyone is cheering the demolition of an innocent man's house by the police during a Judge Dredd-style display of overzealous policing. The FBI could probably rock up at KB's house and Mod edit: comment deleted and he'd just be sat waving his flag and dreaming of eagles.

[jimboston]

Assuming the homeowner has insurance... they don’t want it to affect their rates nd were hoping the city would pay.

If the homeowner had insurance, the insurance company would have been the plaintiff in the suit, not the homeowner. The homeowner would have been made good on his losses and the insurance company would be seeking to recover their costs.

So actually the headline should read:

Rich CEO of Multi-Billion Dollar Insurance Company Sues Small Town, Small Town Wins!

A fantastic David vs. Goliath story. Thank you for sharing, mrswdk!

Only true if the homeowner filed a claim.

If the homeowner is trying to avoid a rate increase he can try to get compensation from the city directly.

It’s also possible the Insurance Company did bring the suit... but the news article doesn’t;t write it that way because it doesn’t sound as good.

[jimboston]

I like how everyone is cheering the demolition of an innocent man's house by the police during a Judge Dredd-style display of overzealous policing. The FBI could probably rock up at KB's house andMod edit: comment deleted he'd just be sat waving his flag and dreaming of eagles.

I like how it’s very easy for you to decide what the police should or shouldn’t have down, when you’re a continent away and in now danger whatsoever.

The police were told there was a loaded gun in the house... by the homeowner, the person most likely to know.

The home invader verbally threatened police saying “I have a gun and will shoot.”

I think it’s reasonable to think there’s a serious threat in this situation.

Did it require the MASSIVE FORCE they used? Maybe, maybe not.

The police often have a thankless job. They would have been criticized had they not used massive force, and an officer got shot.
AND (had that happened) an innocent would have been shot. Is that your preferred outcome?

No you say?

OK... so then how long should the police sit outside the house and let this criminal home invader hang inside someone else’s house?
It says “several” hours. Is that not enough time? Maybe the guy can stay overnight before the police go in?

What is the “right” amount of force necessary to subdue a potentially armed criminal who is holed up in a house? You like to criticize the police? How much force is needed? If you’re the commanding officer on-site would you reduce the amount of force and put your officers at risk... or would you instead prefer to go in so hard and fast that you virtually eliminate the possibility of an officer being shot? What costs “less”in the long run... some damage to a house or the costs associated with an injured officer.

It’s very easy to say after the fact that the guy’s threat wasn’t real... but how do you know that in the moment?

[mrswdk]

Did it require the MASSIVE FORCE they used? Maybe, maybe not.

IOW you have no idea what the right answer is, you just wanted to tell me I'm wrong.

What is the “right” amount of force necessary to subdue a potentially armed criminal who is holed up in a house?

I can tell you what is not the right amount of force: two SWAT teams storming the house so forcefully that they demolish a wall.

[mrswdk]

Actual footage of jimboston attempting to catch a mouse that he's seen in his kitchen:

[KoolBak]

And its statements like this that show truly what kind of person you are. That is extremely offensive. You're a prick. Sigh....and I just took you off ignore.

I like how everyone is cheering the demolition of an innocent man's house by the police during a Judge Dredd-style display of overzealous policing. The FBI could probably rock up at KB's house and Mod edit: comment deleted and he'd just be sat waving his flag and dreaming of eagles.

[mrswdk]

Hug?

[jimboston]

Did it require the MASSIVE FORCE they used? Maybe, maybe not.

IOW you have no idea what the right answer is, you just wanted to tell me I'm wrong.

No. I’m simply pointing out that it’s easy for you throw rocks and point fingers... but you’re not the one who gets shot if the wrong decision is made. You’re just a bitching crybaby until you can say how you think the police should have handled the situation.

What is the “right” amount of force necessary to subdue a potentially armed criminal who is holed up in a house?

I can tell you what is not the right amount of force: two SWAT teams storming the house so forcefully that they demolish a wall.

Right. You have nothing of value to add, you simply like this story because it’s an opportunity to criticize the police and therefore the US.

No lives were lost. I guess you think the value of a wall is greater than the value of a life.

[jimboston]

And its statements like this that show truly what kind of person you are. That is extremely offensive. You're a prick. Sigh....and I just took you off ignore.

I like how everyone is cheering the demolition of an innocent man's house by the police during a Judge Dredd-style display of overzealous policing. The FBI could probably rock up at KB's house and Mod edit: comment deleted and he'd just be sat waving his flag and dreaming of eagles.

He is an offensive little prick.

This is why he is siding with the homeowner.

The homeowner (in the story) sounds like a smug asshole too. Instead of just claiming, “the police used excessive force and cause more damage than was necessary”.... he has to phrase his complaint like a bitch “the police saw an opportunity to run a training exercise”. What a c**t!

[betiko]

all this is very sad and would probably not happen in the land of the central empire

[jimboston]

all this is very sad and would probably not happen in the land of the central empire

You’re right... the few people that do own property wouldn’t dare sue the government.

[mookiemcgee]

And its statements like this that show truly what kind of person you are. That is extremely offensive. You're a prick. Sigh....and I just took you off ignore.

I like how everyone is cheering the demolition of an innocent man's house by the police during a Judge Dredd-style display of overzealous policing. The FBI could probably rock up at KB's house and Mod edit: comment deleted and he'd just be sat waving his flag and dreaming of eagles.

He is an offensive little prick.

This is why he is siding with the homeowner.

The homeowner (in the story) sounds like a smug asshole too. Instead of just claiming, “the police used excessive force and cause more damage than was necessary”.... he has to phrase his complaint like a bitch “the police saw an opportunity to run a training exercise”. What a c**t!

Man's house was destroyed but 'he's complaining like a bitch'. Was calling the police just one of those series of poor decisions you talk about that clearly lead to him being homeless?

It it unreasonable nowadays to call the police and expect them NOT to rip walls out of your home when they arrive? Your house being tuned up by a quarter million dollars in damage is just 'the price' of asking for help from the police? The intruder might have a gun, let's just demo the house so he's crushed and won't have a chance to use it. GTFOOH

[mrswdk]

Did it require the MASSIVE FORCE they used? Maybe, maybe not.

IOW you have no idea what the right answer is, you just wanted to tell me I'm wrong.

No. I’m simply pointing out that it’s easy for you throw rocks and point fingers... but you’re not the one who gets shot if the wrong decision is made.

Right, it is totally ludicrous of me to say that two SWAT teams launching a tactical assault was a heavy-handed way of arresting a homeless man hiding in a house because I wasn't there.

jim: 'I don't trust the government at all'
Also jim: 'if the police said firing Tomahawks from an Apache attach helicopter was a proportionate response to Mrs Gatesby's parking violation then obviously they know best'.

I guess you think the value of a wall is greater than the value of a life.

Q: what does farmer jim like to do while he's sat on his fence?
A: make straw men!

[jimboston]

Man's house was destroyed but 'he's complaining like a bitch'. Was calling the police just one of those series of poor decisions you talk about that clearly lead to him being homeless?

It it unreasonable nowadays to call the police and expect them NOT to rip walls out of your home when they arrive? Your house being tuned up by a quarter million dollars in damage is just 'the price' of asking for help from the police? The intruder might have a gun, let's just demo the house so he's crushed and won't have a chance to use it. GTFOOH

Did you read the article and his lawsuit against the police?

He didn’t simple state a case wherein he thought the used “excessive force”. He’s claiming they essentially and intentionally used his house (this incident) as a ‘training exercise’. From the standpoint of the police, it’s somewhat offensive... as they’re the ones who could get shot and he’s saying they used excessive force on a lark.

Otherwise... if you bother to read my earlier posts you’ll see the rest of your attack is unwarranted.

[jimboston]

Did it require the MASSIVE FORCE they used? Maybe, maybe not.

IOW you have no idea what the right answer is, you just wanted to tell me I'm wrong.

No. I’m simply pointing out that it’s easy for you throw rocks and point fingers... but you’re not the one who gets shot if the wrong decision is made.

Right, it is totally ludicrous of me to say that two SWAT teams launching a tactical assault was a heavy-handed way of arresting a homeless man hiding in a house because I wasn't there.

jim: 'I don't trust the government at all'
Also jim: 'if the police said firing Tomahawks from an Apache attach helicopter was a proportionate response to Mrs Gatesby's parking violation then obviously they know best'.

I guess you think the value of a wall is greater than the value of a life.

Q: what does farmer jim like to do while he's sat on his fence?
A: make straw men!

Again... you throw rocks but refuse to say what you’d do. You won’t state it because you don’t have a position EXCEPT that of rock thrower... you like to criticize anything negative that happens in the US, but you have no better solution. Typical.

Then you say I want to shoot Tomahawk missiles at parking violators... a second later you call my arguments Straw Man! Ha!

[KoolBak]

He won't say it cause he's guested. Give him a few days. Maybe he'll come back with a better attitude.

[jimboston]

He won't say it cause he's guested. Give him a few days. Maybe he'll come back with a better attitude.

He wouldn’t say it anyway.

Because he’s just one of those people who likes to point out problems and bitch... but never has any alternatives.

[notyou2]

At least they didn't bomb an entire city block
https://www.vox.com/the-highlight/2019/8/8/20747198/philadelphia-bombing-1985-move