Real Patriots stand for the Flag!

[jimboston]

Real Americans are too busy living their lives and working and raising their kids to care about this issue one way or the other.

Seriously people... this is what's important?

[tzor]

Apparently in tzor's book

NO Hillary is a verb not a noun. Everyone knows that.

[Woodruff]

I can't say I'm really surprised though that tzor wouldn't be interested in the rights of those who disagree with him or that he'd love to parade those who will pander to his viewpoints out of desperation for viewership. It seems to fit his methodology.

Somehow I have the feeling Woodruff would be arguing for the Free Speech rights of KKK members to publicly burn crosses.

Is it possible for you to be any more dishonest? It's like you've decided that intellectual reasoning and objective viewpoints aren't worth your time, and the only thing you're interested in is trying to twist someone's perspective.

I pity you.

[tzor]

I pity you.

Well I've been pittying you for a number of years.

[Thorthoth]

I pity you.

Well I've been pittying you for a number of years.

That's nothing. I find you all pitttiful.

[jonesthecurl]

Pity.

[Thorthoth]

Pity.

I think you should have typed, 'pitttty'.

[jonesthecurl]

I'm pithier than that.

[warmonger1981]

[tzor]

Is this where I start to sing that old classic song "she's more to be pitied than censured?"

[Woodruff]

I pity you.

Well I've been pittying you for a number of years.

Brilliant! Simply incredible response!

[2dimes]

I pity you.

Well I've been pittying you for a number of years.

Brilliant! Simply incredible response!

[Thorthoth]

So it's more 'tea ads', eh?

[tzor]

Brilliant! Simply incredible response!

And it only took you three days to realize this?

[jonesthecurl]

So what do people think of the army football team taking the knee?

[Dukasaur]

So what do people think of the army football team taking the knee?

Didn't happen. Snopes is your friend...

http://www.snopes.com/army-football-team-kneel-protest-national-anthem/

[jonesthecurl]

So what do people think of the army football team taking the knee?

Didn't happen. Snopes is your friend...

http://www.snopes.com/army-football-team-kneel-protest-national-anthem/

OK fair enough. Didn't check.

[notyou2]

When you join the military, you are no longer a citizen, you have lost many of your rights. The government owns your ass. If the army players took a knee, they would receive a dishonourable discharge. They have no right to protest.

The NFL players are still citizens and have a right to protest, just like all other citizens.

Obviously all you offended people feel no one should have the right to protest and all Americans should forfeit another right. You're all about less government and giving up your rights, except to bare arms. May as well forfeit your right to vote.

America was founded on protests you idjits.

[tzor]

The NFL players are still citizens and have a right to protest, just like all other citizens.

Actually they don't. The First Amendment doesn't apply to private corporations. It doesn't apply to work hours and so on and so forth.

What if the beer sells refused to sell beer for the first quarter? Don't they have a right to protest?

Off the field, fine, protest all you want. I would prefer your protests make sense, but whatever.

Now can we get back to women playing football in their underwear? I mean aren't the men's football uniforms a bit excessive? Doesn't the tremendous amount of padding only lead to greater traumatic head on collisions? It makes the mind go blank and as a result people loose all common sense and start kneeling for the boring national anthem because of hatred of the very armed people who happen to be guarding them while they are doing that strange protest which isn't obvious why they are doing it in the first place.

[notyou2]

So any american working for a corporation has no right to protest?

Dream on, maybe you can move to the utopia in your head.

[Bernie Sanders]

This thread is going nowhere....

[tzor]

So any american working for a corporation has no right to protest?

Let's roll that video tape folks ... Google Fires Author of Divisive Memo on Gender Differences

Q.E.D.

Mic Drop

[patches70]

Some of you seem to not understand how Freedom of Speech works.

It means the Federal Government can't arrest you. The NFL players kneeling for instance, can't be arrested and tossed in jail even if there was a "law" forbidding the practice of protesting the National Anthem. Even if Congress some years ago had passed their anti flag burning bill which tried to criminalize burning the American flag, said law would never survive the SCOTUS.

In the beginning the Bill of Rights didn't apply to the states. Only to the Federal Government. That is the individual states had no requirement at first to guarantee any of the Rights as stated by any of the Amendments, of particular the Bill of Rights. However the SCOTUS eventually ruled on that issue as well that the States were also bound by the Constitution. So no state laws could used to limit things like Freedom of Speech. This is called the Concurrent Powers principle and it wasn't in force at the beginning of the US.

However, private companies have no responsibility to protect your Free Speech. Any team for instance, in regards to the NFL players kneeling, could say tomorrow that no players are allowed to kneel for the Anthem. No one can say that their free speech is being denied because the teams, private organizations, have zero requirement for protecting free speech. They absolutely can say that their employees shall not protest <insert whatever issue you want> while working and representing the companies brand. Such things can damage their images and cause marketing problems and all sorts of other things.
If said rule was placed by said employer and any said employee decided to break that rule and protest anyway, the company could well and legally terminate said employee's employment with said company/organization. The employee would be laughed out of court if they sued said employer for civil rights violations because the employee would have zero standing. Note the company still can't have the employee arrested or anything like that for the protest, only that the employer can terminate any relationship with said employee for violating said employer's rules.

The New York Times just this very day or day before has just made their own rule that their employees are no longer allowed to voice their personal political views via social media anymore else said employee will be terminated. This rule change makes sense, as a "journalistic" company it is vital for their business model to appear as impartial as possible. When they have their employees spouting off a bunch of stuff via twitter, facebook, etc etc, it shatters this illusion quite quickly and causes marketing problems which ends up affecting the bottom line of the profitability of said business. To protect themselves the Times is not denying their employees right to Free speech, they are protecting their own interests, which is the company's right as well. We all have the right to pursue our own interests and when your interests are at odds with your employer's interests, you'll soon find yourself terminated from said employment.

But you won't ever end in jail for it, because, you know, free speech. Here on CC you can spout off whatever nonsense you want and if it violates CC's rules then you get booted. CC can't arrest you, toss you in prison and in the US; unless you are saying things that are specifically excluded as free speech (inciting riots, libel, slander, attempting to sell drugs, eliciting prostitution etc etc etc) then you won't face any problems from any authorities here. Try going to the cops and saying "Bernie hurt my feelings and offended me with his dribble on CC forums" and the cops will tell you to get the f*ck out of their office. As it should be.
In other counties however, where said Freedom of Speech is not recognized, one could find themselves quite at odds with authorities for certain comments made. Hate speech and such. For instance, try being a German citizen and posting Swastikas on social media and find out what happens to you. In the US you'll be booted from Twitter or what not, but the cops won't be knocking at your door like they would in Germany for example.

You as a private citizen are under no obligation to provide free speech protection for anyone else. Someone is spouting off in your house? Get the f*ck out you tell them and they can't bitch about you denying their free speech, nor can they claim protection from consequences from you for said speech (i.e. get the f*ck out of my house you POS). If they don't leave then they are trespassing and the cops will arrest someone for that obviously.

So long story short, you blab on about whatever issue you find near and dear to your heart and someone else says you're a fucking moron and that you should shut the f*ck up, you can't cry "but my Free Speech protects me from your opinion!"

People saying they don't like the NFL players protesting the anthem are not in the slightest way attacking Free Speech you fucking morons. The people saying the NFL players are morons, asshats and hypocrites are all expressing their own freedom of speech as well.

It's a great big yelling at each other fuckfest and it's all freedom of speech. Even calling up your favorite NFL team and demanding they fire the players for protesting is free speech. The Team doesn't have to listen to you, the team can even hang up the phone on you, throw away your angry letters and completely ignore you if they wish and they aren't denying anyone's free speech in any way. Neither is the guy demanding the firing of the player violating anyone's free speech because the team is under no obligation to listen anyway.
It's the wild wild west of passive aggressiveness, outright antagonism and disgust and boycotting and every bit of it is free speech.

Thank God for Free Speech. Yeah, we might have to endure the ravings of morons, but it's a small price to pay for the authorities not being able to drag you out of your house in the middle of the night because of a late night ranting on some stupid thing that pisses you off.
But if someone thinks freedom of speech means freedom from consequence or freedom from disagreement or criticism, then someone is a fucking moron.

Morons.

[notyou2]

I'll say it again, America was founded on protests. Suck it up buttercups.

[Bernie Sanders]

Some of you seem to not understand how Freedom of Speech works.

It means the Federal Government can't arrest you. The NFL players kneeling for instance, can't be arrested and tossed in jail even if there was a "law" forbidding the practice of protesting the National Anthem. Even if Congress some years ago had passed their anti flag burning bill which tried to criminalize burning the American flag, said law would never survive the SCOTUS.

In the beginning the Bill of Rights didn't apply to the states. Only to the Federal Government. That is the individual states had no requirement at first to guarantee any of the Rights as stated by any of the Amendments, of particular the Bill of Rights. However the SCOTUS eventually ruled on that issue as well that the States were also bound by the Constitution. So no state laws could used to limit things like Freedom of Speech. This is called the Concurrent Powers principle and it wasn't in force at the beginning of the US.

However, private companies have no responsibility to protect your Free Speech. Any team for instance, in regards to the NFL players kneeling, could say tomorrow that no players are allowed to kneel for the Anthem. No one can say that their free speech is being denied because the teams, private organizations, have zero requirement for protecting free speech. They absolutely can say that their employees shall not protest <insert whatever issue you want> while working and representing the companies brand. Such things can damage their images and cause marketing problems and all sorts of other things.
If said rule was placed by said employer and any said employee decided to break that rule and protest anyway, the company could well and legally terminate said employee's employment with said company/organization. The employee would be laughed out of court if they sued said employer for civil rights violations because the employee would have zero standing. Note the company still can't have the employee arrested or anything like that for the protest, only that the employer can terminate any relationship with said employee for violating said employer's rules.

The New York Times just this very day or day before has just made their own rule that their employees are no longer allowed to voice their personal political views via social media anymore else said employee will be terminated. This rule change makes sense, as a "journalistic" company it is vital for their business model to appear as impartial as possible. When they have their employees spouting off a bunch of stuff via twitter, facebook, etc etc, it shatters this illusion quite quickly and causes marketing problems which ends up affecting the bottom line of the profitability of said business. To protect themselves the Times is not denying their employees right to Free speech, they are protecting their own interests, which is the company's right as well. We all have the right to pursue our own interests and when your interests are at odds with your employer's interests, you'll soon find yourself terminated from said employment.

But you won't ever end in jail for it, because, you know, free speech. Here on CC you can spout off whatever nonsense you want and if it violates CC's rules then you get booted. CC can't arrest you, toss you in prison and in the US; unless you are saying things that are specifically excluded as free speech (inciting riots, libel, slander, attempting to sell drugs, eliciting prostitution etc etc etc) then you won't face any problems from any authorities here. Try going to the cops and saying "Bernie hurt my feelings and offended me with his dribble on CC forums" and the cops will tell you to get the f*ck out of their office. As it should be.
In other counties however, where said Freedom of Speech is not recognized, one could find themselves quite at odds with authorities for certain comments made. Hate speech and such. For instance, try being a German citizen and posting Swastikas on social media and find out what happens to you. In the US you'll be booted from Twitter or what not, but the cops won't be knocking at your door like they would in Germany for example.

You as a private citizen are under no obligation to provide free speech protection for anyone else. Someone is spouting off in your house? Get the f*ck out you tell them and they can't bitch about you denying their free speech, nor can they claim protection from consequences from you for said speech (i.e. get the f*ck out of my house you POS). If they don't leave then they are trespassing and the cops will arrest someone for that obviously.

So long story short, you blab on about whatever issue you find near and dear to your heart and someone else says you're a fucking moron and that you should shut the f*ck up, you can't cry "but my Free Speech protects me from your opinion!"

People saying they don't like the NFL players protesting the anthem are not in the slightest way attacking Free Speech you fucking morons. The people saying the NFL players are morons, asshats and hypocrites are all expressing their own freedom of speech as well.

It's a great big yelling at each other fuckfest and it's all freedom of speech. Even calling up your favorite NFL team and demanding they fire the players for protesting is free speech. The Team doesn't have to listen to you, the team can even hang up the phone on you, throw away your angry letters and completely ignore you if they wish and they aren't denying anyone's free speech in any way. Neither is the guy demanding the firing of the player violating anyone's free speech because the team is under no obligation to listen anyway.
It's the wild wild west of passive aggressiveness, outright antagonism and disgust and boycotting and every bit of it is free speech.

Thank God for Free Speech. Yeah, we might have to endure the ravings of morons, but it's a small price to pay for the authorities not being able to drag you out of your house in the middle of the night because of a late night ranting on some stupid thing that pisses you off.
But if someone thinks freedom of speech means freedom from consequence or freedom from disagreement or criticism, then someone is a fucking moron.

Morons.

What whiny girlie boy you are.