NFL "Taking a knee"

[DirtyDishSoap]

Kaepernick, among others, have accomplished exactly what they had intended to do: Shock the nation and to send a message. The fact that you're typing about it, and probably speaking about it consistently, is proof enough that it worked.

Yes! Thank God for Kaepernick, now cops don't shoot and kill black people anymore. Now, if someone would just kneel against black on black violence we can eliminate black people killing other black people.

Hip hip hurrah for kneeling!

Oh, wait, it's all just virtue signalling. It makes you feel like you've done something, inflates your ego and confirms to yourself and others that you are a "good" person but does absolutely nothing for the actually problem you are virtue signalling about.

Oh well, it's the thought that counts I suppose.

You need to read what i had said earlier, i don't support their cause, i support their right to protest.

[patches70]

Kaepernick, among others, have accomplished exactly what they had intended to do: Shock the nation and to send a message. The fact that you're typing about it, and probably speaking about it consistently, is proof enough that it worked.

Yes! Thank God for Kaepernick, now cops don't shoot and kill black people anymore. Now, if someone would just kneel against black on black violence we can eliminate black people killing other black people.

Hip hip hurrah for kneeling!

Oh, wait, it's all just virtue signalling. It makes you feel like you've done something, inflates your ego and confirms to yourself and others that you are a "good" person but does absolutely nothing for the actually problem you are virtue signalling about.

Oh well, it's the thought that counts I suppose.

You need to read what i had said earlier, i don't support their cause, i support their right to protest.

I know, you also said he accomplished what he started out to do. Which is bullshit. Apparently he wanted to bring awareness or something about how terrible cops are to black people and how black people are treated little better than slaves, to start a "conversation" about it. Instead, nothing changed and the conversation isn't about the cops killing blacks but rather why or why not NFL players protesting is right or wrong. The whole message Kaepernick, as incoherent as it was, is now completely lost. Completely. The conversation is now about flags and anthems and pampered modern day gladiators being whiny little bitches that have pissed off other whiny little bitches. At no point now is anyone talking about cops killing blacks, or even more troubling, blacks killing blacks. At least no more than before.

So, no dialog, no conversation, just a bunch of virtue signaling prancing around nebulous concepts that obviously mean different things to different people and is completely subjective. Nobody is right and nobody is wrong, it's just a clown show.

I absolutely support clown shows, though clowns are a little creepy. But at the end of the day, most people have real problems and things things to deal with that we term collectively as "Life".

[KoolBak]

Awesome movie...pissed off clowns everywhere

[karel]

these idiots have no clue what they protesting about,they dont stand they need to get kicked out of ther nfl,bunch of liberal ass munchers,respect the flag or get the f*ck out of this country,f-en move to cuba i dont give a f*ck were you go,

[patches70]

these idiots have no clue what they protesting about,they dont stand they need to get kicked out of ther nfl,bunch of liberal ass munchers,respect the flag or get the f*ck out of this country,f-en move to cuba i dont give a f*ck were you go,

Naw, this last Sunday the NFL players protested because Trump gave them a bunch of shit. They weren't protesting for whatever the hell Kaeper was protesting that's for sure, they were doing it for their own reasons. The main reason is giving a middle finger to Trump. The problem is when they did that they also gave a big middle finger to about 50 million other Americans as well.

It's kinda funny how quick they fell into a no win situation. All the NFL players and the league would have been so much better served just ignoring Trump all together, act as though he never said anything.

[DirtyDishSoap]

Nothing is accomplished over night, patches. Dr King Jr should be an attestment for that. Point is, objective achieved. Whether it will hold or discussed (like now), or completely forgotten later, has yet to be seen.

[patches70]

Lets hope not, DDS. You know Kaepernick is a communist, right? Now, I've got my fair share of biases and my biggest bias is towards filthy commies. f*ck 'em. That's why Bernie Sanders' wife is so sickening, she's a self avowed avid communist. I question the motives of communists at all times. If a dirty commie tells me the sky is blue I'd be forced to go outside and check for myself because I instinctively wouldn't believe them.

[jonesthecurl]

Dude, the NFL player is exercising their right when they kneel. The guy who sees this and says "You are an idiot" is also exercising his right. The NFL teams could say to the players "You will not kneel during the anthem before a game while you play of this team" is also exercising their right to protect their brand. The team owners can also allow the players to kneel as well if they so wish.

No one is violating anyone's rights. People do stupid shit all the time and other people call for them to be fired. Those calling for such action have no right or power to carry through with it, but they have the right to petition, which means talking to the people who do have such authority and try to convince them.

It's not like the NFL has any moral high ground either. How many domestic violence issues with players are there? How many drug problems and other issues have been done, swept under the rug or ignored by teams, owners, administration and players alike have occurred? Loads!

They are just people like everyone else. If some people wanna call them POS then so be it, it's no big deal either way. If the owners start feeling the backlash in their pocketbooks you can bet your ass that they'd crack down on the players if they have to to protect their brand.
What's hilarious to me is the NFL caving to the libtards, SJW's and PC police when those people already despise the NFL and what it symbolizes and will never be a part of the audience anyway, regardless. All that's happening now is their customer base is getting pissed off because their customer base, the people who actually watch football, breath football, are all mouth breathing regular joes who do buy into the whole SJW political grandstanding business at all. They are people who stand for the anthem and don't hate the American flag. But hey, if the owners wanna take the chance, it's their problem.

But there is nothing wrong with people getting offended at the player's actions and there is nothing wrong with admiring those actions either. Just like there is nothing wrong with people being cynical about the whole thing and just don't give a shit either way. The Gestapo isn't coming to get ya regardless. Mountains out of molehills.
Our lives are so easy we gotta find shit to get worked up about. It's hilarious.

rare moment: I agree with you.

[ConfederateSS]

--------Hey ,guess what.. the rules set up by both NFL and NBA...STATE THAT PLAYERS MUST BE ON THE SIDELINE/COURT...STAND...FACE THE FLAG...ETC..ETC...THE NBA COMMISH HAS SAID THE RULE WILL BE ENFORCED......SO WHY IS THE NFL COMMISH AFRAID TO DO THE SAME AND ENFORCE THE RULES OF HIS OWN LEAGUE?......SO SAD... ....... ConfederateSS.out!(The Blue and Silver Rebellion)...

[karel]

these idiots have no clue what they protesting about,they dont stand they need to get kicked out of ther nfl,bunch of liberal ass munchers,respect the flag or get the f*ck out of this country,f-en move to cuba i dont give a f*ck were you go,

Naw, this last Sunday the NFL players protested because Trump gave them a bunch of shit. They weren't protesting for whatever the hell Kaeper was protesting that's for sure, they were doing it for their own reasons. The main reason is giving a middle finger to Trump. The problem is when they did that they also gave a big middle finger to about 50 million other Americans as well.

It's kinda funny how quick they fell into a no win situation. All the NFL players and the league would have been so much better served just ignoring Trump all together, act as though he never said anything.

trump had every right to say something,bunch of disrespectful b*tches they are,from what i can see they hate the flag and our country

[Symmetry]

I've never understood the fetishisation of the US flag. It was one of my big culture shocks when I lived in the US. Having to pledge yourself to it everyday in school seemed weird.

If it's really a symbol of the country, it should also be a symbol that can be protested against if their are parts of the country worth protesting against.

I don't see it as a betrayal of the country- if anything it's an affirmation of the best parts of the US.

[karel]

I've never understood the fetishisation of the US flag. It was one of my big culture shocks when I lived in the US. Having to pledge yourself to it everyday in school seemed weird.

If it's really a symbol of the country, it should also be a symbol that can be protested against if their are parts of the country worth protesting against.

I don't see it as a betrayal of the country- if anything it's an affirmation of the best parts of the US.

wrong,wrong....the flag represent the people who have bled and died for the flag so these assholes can burn it and pay no respect for it.Like i said you disrespect the flag get the f*ck out of the usa

[Symmetry]

I've never understood the fetishisation of the US flag. It was one of my big culture shocks when I lived in the US. Having to pledge yourself to it everyday in school seemed weird.

If it's really a symbol of the country, it should also be a symbol that can be protested against if their are parts of the country worth protesting against.

I don't see it as a betrayal of the country- if anything it's an affirmation of the best parts of the US.

wrong,wrong....the flag represent the people who have bled and died for the flag so these assholes can burn it and pay no respect for it.Like i said you disrespect the flag get the f*ck out of the usa

In what way does it represent them? Does it represent slaves who bled and died? Native Americans? I think you're gonna have to elaborate, k.

[karel]

the flag has nothing to do with race,even tho the snowflakes like to link it to that,its about people who fought in wars to give these ass holes the freedom they have.its not hard to figure out,but if you don't live here and don't understand our laws and ways,then prolly all you over seas people should not post a thread about someone elses country if you don't understand

[Symmetry]

the flag has nothing to do with race,even tho the snowflakes like to link it to that,its about people who fought in wars to give these ass holes the freedom they have.its not hard to figure out,but if you don't live here and don't understand our laws and ways,then prolly all you over seas people should not post a thread about someone elses country if you don't understand

Nothing to do with race? It's a protest about racial injustice. You can't simply say the US doesn't have a race problem and expect people to just accept that.

[karel]

the flag has nothing to do with race,even tho the snowflakes like to link it to that,its about people who fought in wars to give these ass holes the freedom they have.its not hard to figure out,but if you don't live here and don't understand our laws and ways,then prolly all you over seas people should not post a thread about someone elses country if you don't understand

Nothing to do with race? It's a protest about racial injustice. You can't simply say the US doesn't have a race problem and expect people to just accept that.

bullshit it is,it is driven by the left media,and some sorry ass lame QB who could not make it in the nfl

[Symmetry]

the flag has nothing to do with race,even tho the snowflakes like to link it to that,its about people who fought in wars to give these ass holes the freedom they have.its not hard to figure out,but if you don't live here and don't understand our laws and ways,then prolly all you over seas people should not post a thread about someone elses country if you don't understand

Nothing to do with race? It's a protest about racial injustice. You can't simply say the US doesn't have a race problem and expect people to just accept that.

bullshit it is,it is driven by the left media,and some sorry ass lame QB who could not make it in the nfl

You don't think that race is a problem in the US? Or that the right-wing media doesn't deal in racial politics?

[karel]

race could be a problem but has nothing to do with the flag

[patches70]

trump had every right to say something,bunch of disrespectful b*tches they are,from what i can see they hate the flag and our country

Sure, absolutely, you are correct in that for sure about Trump. I have no idea though if the NFL players hate the flag and the US. Kaepernick seems to have some problems with the US from the things he's said. But I don't know about the rest of the players. I'm not a mind reader dude.

Everyone plays their own movie in their head about life. That movie often has little bearing upon actual reality. Reality doesn't matter, it rarely does in regards to how people perceive things and the emotional responses people take to various things in life.
As far as them being disrespectful, meh, I tend to give very wide latitude toward free speech issues. Disrespectful is certainly protected speech. Hell, the more disrespectful the better I say. It increases my amusement.

One who is sane can't help but laugh at the idiocy. What else is there to be done?

[karel]

these over paid cry babies have a job,they play football and get a wage,protest on your own time,dont do it on work time,but the nfl commish must have a vagina instead of balls,he could of put the hammer down long time ago,now they losing money faster then ever before,i think its great,and more people are turning the nfl off,and losing tons of money each weekend

[patches70]

wrong,wrong....the flag represent the people who have bled and died for the flag so these assholes can burn it and pay no respect for it.Like i said you disrespect the flag get the f*ck out of the usa

You can't argue the meaning of a symbol. It means different things to different people. To you the flag represents those who have bled and died for the flag. To a legal immigrant on the boat approaching Liberty Island might see the flag as a symbol of opportunity. To the disaster victim who sees the US flag on the helicopter delivering life saving supplies one may see relief. To the poor bastard whose boat is sinking in the middle of the Atlantic sees the flag on the side of the US Coast Guard copter may see salvation.

Some who see the flag see oppression and death. Hence why they especially burn the flag in places where we've been bombing and regime changing.
Your view is not the end all interpretation of what the flag means to people. It's just a subjective value you are placing on that symbol.

[karel]

in my book burn the flag go to prison,and that is a law,about burning the flag,but if it was up to me every flag burnner would be kicked out and sent to mexico

[Symmetry]

in my book burn the flag go to prison,and that is a law,about burning the flag,but if it was up to me every flag burnner would be kicked out and sent to mexico

You have a book?

[patches70]

in my book burn the flag go to prison,and that is a law,about burning the flag,but if it was up to me every flag burnner would be kicked out and sent to mexico

All righty then. Karel's idea of running the country-

[Symmetry]

in my book burn the flag go to prison,and that is a law,about burning the flag,but if it was up to me every flag burnner would be kicked out and sent to mexico

All righty then. Karel's idea of running the country-

karel wouldn't use capital letters.