Civilization Mafia - Town Victory!

[WingCmdr Ginkapo]

@nag
did you just claim doc? why would you do that?

Because Nag is not very good at mafia?

However, can you explain what leads you to believe that there is a Doc in the game D1?

[madmitch]

@ Tim with your last statement to Benga ,I think you are also not a Nation and probally a scum partner with Benga. FOS TIM

[ga7]

Sorry for the inactivity, too many things going on lately.

@Wing Look sir, we can't both barely pay attention; one of us has to win this game for town
But it seems Benga did not claim Germany, he just implied it with flavour comments.

@Mitch I will accept this for now. Cheers sir

WRONG COLOUR!

Alright, it seems to me we have a pretty decent case for a day 1.

Blech I just reread my pm and realized that the way it is worded makes it highly unlikely that the third one is the way this game is setup since it seems there is an actual town whom are considered the 'civilized' nations. So my *new* theory is that it's the second option and the reason that these civs are 'uncivilzed' is because they are trying to take over the world whereas the civilized civs are trying to live in relative peace.

I'm buying it, especially because Samlen posted this quickly after his initial theorizing and before anyone accused him.

However...
[spoiler=nag nags]

Are you going to answer this or conveniently ignore it? I will happily ask multiple times like a Paxman interview (British reference that I couldn't resist and NO not a soft claim of British empire) until you give me a satisfactory response.


I find your exchange with samlen at the bottom of page six HIGHLY questionable

I have already answered, maybe you skipped it.

No you haven't you have posted twice since I asked my question to you and neither answer why you think we all have different objectives? If your answer is because the game is a FFA then that is not good enough. My objective in this game is very clear and if you are not aligned with the town objective then you are th enemy vote benga

LOL not sure what you mean here
were did I say that my goal isn't clear?
you having clear goal doesn't make you town
where did I state I am not aligned with town
I am just stating these:

I don't have anything about uncivilized in pm, I draw my conclusion from my experience with civ games and about dakky from my past experience with him.

Re-reading last few pages I noticed I did bring up the possibility of uncivilized nations and even said my PM said so, but actually I was very wrong. There was no mention of uncivilized, that's just what I assumed as the opposite to civilized is ... uncivilized. So barbarians and similar bad guys should be possible as well.

touche!
the classic dakky, just rambling whatever drops on his mind

Like always, I don't draw conclusions out of thin air.
So far I have been right.

samlen apprently has his objective set to play as solo or third party, until I am sure no point in acting upon it
And we clearly have all different objectives either pro town, pro scum, pro 3rd party
I just didn't want dakky lynched fast like he always gets, w/o any valid reason.

Benga, maybe it is that English is not your first language so your meaning has been misconstrued but that is not what you said. You said ' guess we all have different objectives then' and suggested there is a FFA element - basing these comments on what Samlen also incorrectly posted. My guess is one of you is scum who has slipped up but I am focusing* my attentions on you for now because there have been a couple of other things you have done that I have found questionable. Now you have bastardised your initial statement by saying we all do as in you meant town, third party and Mafia - that is not a case of us all having different objectives or 'FFA' but only three separate potential objectives. By saying we all have different objectives suggested to me that you didn't get a town PM.

[/spoiler]
Indeed, what jumped to me is that contrary to Samlen, Benga was very clearly going with the flow of it all without having any idea of the real answer... And no means to check it.
He went from:

Guess we all have different objectives then, maybe that's all the part of FFA.

To:

samlen apprently has his objective set to play as solo or third party

Which looks like a deflection attempt when realizing his mistake.

@nag
did you just claim doc? why would you do that?
about my 'softclaim' I was just joking as I thought dakky was joking with his statements
telling people are a specific nation based on how they were confirming

I don't see much value in the flavour claim TBH because it could go either way, but it did add up to his attempts of cozying up to dakky which also seemed weird? Regardless of if he was actually claiming Germany and now backtracking or just humouring dakky, and while I never played Civ, one look at the wiki tells me there's a big number of civs Masket could have pulled from, which means there are no "sure town" claims. Masket could have given scum full fake claims, or just Civ names he didn't use for town, or neither. Best case scenario, Benga turning up scum would definitely eliminate the first option and make the second unlikely.
I dunno about the doc thing, it's a scummy thing to point out but that I could see as a noob move also. The rest, not so much.

Unvote Vote benga

[nagerous]

VOTE BENGA His statement to to Nag about being a docter shows he has not the same goals as we (town) do.

I'm not sure what his comment asking why Nag (he thought) claimed doc has anything to do with his goals? Skimming yeah, since Nag corrected it in the next post.

Because claiming as a doc seems like a weird claim to make, doesn't it?

Well, yeah, I assumed benga thought it weird too, because he asked if nag was actually making a doc claim, and if so, why. Seems a reasonable question if you think someone might have claimed doc on day 1. Why benga didn't see the corrected next post though, I have no idea.

Yes but within this set up a doctor claim at day 1 would make even less sense

[HotShot53]

VOTE BENGA His statement to to Nag about being a docter shows he has not the same goals as we (town) do.

I'm not sure what his comment asking why Nag (he thought) claimed doc has anything to do with his goals? Skimming yeah, since Nag corrected it in the next post.

Because claiming as a doc seems like a weird claim to make, doesn't it?

Well, yeah, I assumed benga thought it weird too, because he asked if nag was actually making a doc claim, and if so, why. Seems a reasonable question if you think someone might have claimed doc on day 1. Why benga didn't see the corrected next post though, I have no idea.

Yes but within this set up a doctor claim at day 1 would make even less sense

I know what you're saying, I guess I just thought Benga also thought it didn't make any sense, thus resulting in the question. Obviously most think Benga instead just has no idea about the game setup, meaning he is likely scum, which combined with his other statements is possible. It's as good as any other day 1 case so far anyway

[Samlen]

Indeed, what jumped to me is that contrary to Samlen, Benga was very clearly going with the flow of it all without having any idea of the real answer... And no means to check it.

Most compelling case so far today. Not in a rush to end day yet plus I'd like to see benga's response to this, but doesn't seem likely that a better case will come up so unless benga comes up with a really convincing defense, i'll be voting him.

[WingCmdr Ginkapo]

I dunno about the doc thing, it's a scummy thing to point out but that I could see as a noob move also. The rest, not so much.

So you are content with the concept of there being a doc D1?

[benga]

@nag
did you just claim doc? why would you do that?

Because Nag is not very good at mafia?

However, can you explain what leads you to believe that there is a Doc in the game D1?

not sure what you mean?

[benga]

okay my time to claim I guess
I am minor civilization Celts , I win the game solely by surviving till the end
It doesn't matter which side wins

[Fircoal]

okay my time to claim I guess
I am minor civilization Celts , I win the game solely by surviving till the end
It doesn't matter which side wins

A REALLY early claim + a survivor claim? It's so scummy it almost makes me believe you.

Unvote. Vote: Benga

Almost.

[Fircoal]

okay my time to claim I guess
I am minor civilization Celts , I win the game solely by surviving till the end
It doesn't matter which side wins

A REALLY early claim + a survivor claim? It's so scummy it almost makes me believe you.

Unvote. Vote: Benga

Almost.

One extra thing to note. Him being a survivor might be why he doesn't know what he should know. That said. At worst he's a survivor, and at best he's mafia. Sounds like a safe lynch to me.

[Skittles!]

Claim after only 3 or 4 votes? What gives benga? What made you feel like you had to claim?

[strike wolf]

*Devils advocate* actually the free for all comment does make a bit more sense coming from a third party who legitimately not know town or scum win cons. *end Devils advocate* it does not explain why he felt so driven on defending Dakky.

[Minister Masket]

Vote Count:

dakky21 - 1 (Strike)
madmitch - 0
ga7 - 0
skoffin - 0
strike wolf - 0
Samlen - 0
TimWoodbury - 2 (HotShot, Wing)
benga - 5 (nagerous, dakky, madmitch, ga7, Fircoal)
Ragian - 0
nagerous - 1 (Tim the Enchanter)
Fircoal - 0
Skittles - 0
aage - 0
HotShot53 - 0
WingCmdr Ginkapo - 0
FloresDelMal - 0

Players in BLUE are in a DoF and get +1 to lynch
Players in RED are in warfare and get a +3 to lynch
Players under BOTH are in purple and get the maximum +4 to lynch

This was your last free day. Starting tomorrow (Sat) it takes 14 to Lynch!

[strike wolf]

Forgot:

unvote vote Benga

[TimWoodbury]

sorry benga im not buying that claim early claim and claiming something only another 3rd party can verify sounds skummy to meunvote vote benga

PS to mod why in the world on the VC it say im a enchaner im confused there

[Skoffin]

One thing I must wonder is if this mafia game is based on a particular civilisation game, or all of them; as Celts only appears in an expansion for Civ 5.
They are not exactly the top of the lists of likely nations to be here, however Benga's manner does also match that of a confused surivor.

[Fircoal]

*Devils advocate* actually the free for all comment does make a bit more sense coming from a third party who legitimately not know town or scum win cons. *end Devils advocate*

Yes it would make sense. But in this game 3rd party still isn't worth much, and that is if he is 3rd party which it's hard to tell.

[Samlen]

I see no reason to keep a survivor alive. And if he is lying then it's all the better.
Vote Benga

[benga]

Claim after only 3 or 4 votes? What gives benga? What made you feel like you had to claim?

maybe you haven't read anything till now I guess, those who already haven't voted by now, did express their intension to do so
in the end it was the same from me

*Devils advocate* actually the free for all comment does make a bit more sense coming from a third party who legitimately not know town or scum win cons. *end Devils advocate* it does not explain why he felt so driven on defending Dakky.

cause of bigger town pool?

[Ragian]

Whom does killing a 3rd party benefit D1? Town or scum? I'd think scum since town starts all over tomorrow without any real information apart from Benga's flip. It doesn't give too much intel on who is scum as I see it. I mean, what do we do tomorrow?

[WingCmdr Ginkapo]

Precisely Rage.

Fircoal is scum. Tim is scum. Dakky might be. Samlen might be. Benga is not. Ga7 is not.

[nagerous]

Precisely Rage.

Fircoal is scum. Tim is scum. Dakky might be. Samlen might be. Benga is not. Ga7 is not.

Care to expand? I thought you had unanswered questions for Ga7 and Benga as to why they thought there could be a doctor in the game?

Tim granted is as scummy as the pond in my neighbour's back yard, but Fircoal seems pretty town-ish to me.

[WingCmdr Ginkapo]

I am not here to hold your hand. Either you understand why i asked those questions, and why i am not concerned anymore. Or you dont.

This isnt kindergarten.

[madmitch]

sorry benga im not buying that claim early claim and claiming something only another 3rd party can verify sounds skummy to meunvote vote benga

PS to mod why in the world on the VC it say im a enchaner im confused there

didn't you confirm as some kind of wizard?