WoT:Mem of Light An Ending

[WingCmdr Ginkapo]

Having received a role of this nature, I am pretty sure that I would be then able to deduce that a) I was scum and b) Light is scum; in which case I surely would have not begun the game with "Kill dakky and all the forces of darkness!!!" paladin-like zealotism.

You didnt....

[HotShot53]

@ Aage noproof of that ,but you might get some people to reveal their roles @ BuJaber of course I was wary of Dakky and questioned everything ,I just haven't seen him play that bad before and now with the two night deaths ,both dark or some fraction of the dark , who's darker or mafia or cult or maybe Aage is right, I am completely lost

vote madmitch

Next lynch boys. Also the hammer went to quickly. I was expecting to get till Wednesday to decide.

I don't like storr going after the easy lynches... dakky yesterday and MM today... FOS Storr

Easy maybe. Tell me why you think madmitch is town or pro town

I'm not sure what he is yet, but I don't see any good evidence he's scum to push a lynch on him this fast. Just seems very lazy scum hunting coming from you.

However, now that a bunch of players is comming out all "Dark and Proud", I am unsure how to proceed. For all you Dark guys: Since you are obviously cool with comming out as Dark, would it be unreasonable to ask why you failed to do so on D1 while it could have saved dakky, your co-Darker?

So, are you disassociating yourself from the dark group?

That is a very good point... and with his recent post he seems to be very unsure still, sounds like he is trying to still raise doubt about who is town and who is scum, probably trying to get another dark lynched before everyone agrees they are actually town in this game. And ends with his evil laugh so he can try to claim later he was hinting he was dark all along. So I will vote Mandy

[mandalorian2298]

Having received a role of this nature, I am pretty sure that I would be then able to deduce that a) I was scum and b) Light is scum; in which case I surely would have not begun the game with "Kill dakky and all the forces of darkness!!!" paladin-like zealotism.

You didnt....

Did too

[mandalorian2298]

@ Aage noproof of that ,but you might get some people to reveal their roles @ BuJaber of course I was wary of Dakky and questioned everything ,I just haven't seen him play that bad before and now with the two night deaths ,both dark or some fraction of the dark , who's darker or mafia or cult or maybe Aage is right, I am completely lost

vote madmitch

Next lynch boys. Also the hammer went to quickly. I was expecting to get till Wednesday to decide.

I don't like storr going after the easy lynches... dakky yesterday and MM today... FOS Storr

Easy maybe. Tell me why you think madmitch is town or pro town

I'm not sure what he is yet, but I don't see any good evidence he's scum to push a lynch on him this fast. Just seems very lazy scum hunting coming from you.

However, now that a bunch of players is comming out all "Dark and Proud", I am unsure how to proceed. For all you Dark guys: Since you are obviously cool with comming out as Dark, would it be unreasonable to ask why you failed to do so on D1 while it could have saved dakky, your co-Darker?

So, are you disassociating yourself from the dark group?

That is a very good point... and with his recent post he seems to be very unsure still, sounds like he is trying to still raise doubt about who is town and who is scum, probably trying to get another dark lynched before everyone agrees they are actually town in this game. And ends with his evil laugh so he can try to claim later he was hinting he was dark all along. So I will vote Mandy

I ended with the evil laugh because I'm a funny guy. And evil.

But, since Wing and co. have stuck their dark necks out and no one is making a move to chop them off, I claim my allegience to the DARK. I am fairly important villain so, if need be, my claim is a solid one.

Now that I know that Dark is Town, I shall re-read and see if there is anything worth vote to be found.

Be evil while I'm gone.

[Marashu]

Not really getting a strong town vibe from Mandy, but not really getting a strong scum read, either. I feel like if he were town, he would understand the alignment arguments being made D2 by virtue of his role (and how if he were dark-aligned, it would fit with what everyone else is saying), and if he were light, then he would already know and wouldn't need to make a big deal about still being confused.
A thought about mitch - normally he goes full flavour right out the gate. If he were dark, and thought light was town (as was the assumption at the start of N0/D1), then I feel like he would have said something to pretend he was light. He didn't do that here. So I can see why Storr is suspicious of him, as though he knew things a bit too early.

[aage]

voting for me is a mistake, I have the ability to help town during the day and at night. unvote Aage

Reasons for unvoting? I don't recall defending myself.

i am M'hael my job is to get rid of the forces of light, at night I can remove1 persons action at night, I chose Doom last night,don't know what happened.

Reasons for targeting doom? Secondly, early fucking claim if I ever saw one. Thirdly, M'hael is a rank/function (like "general" or "captain"), it's not an actual name. Interesting that nobody bothered to google this but oh well. Guess flavour doesn't matter that much.

Eah first time I've put such little effort into a game. Not to mention I'm not really trying to control the game like I normally do. Dakky sorta lynched himself.

Madmitch is going to lynch himself as well.

@Aage I should be pretty notorious about not giving a flying f*ck about flavor and that scum hunting and talking about players is always much more helpful. Flavor talk is just an easy out for someone to not actually contribute

You are so full of shit. Nobody can act scummy because the scum don't even know who the hell they are. This is a faction game, and you are getting pretty close to being a policy lynch. Did you notice how madmitch wavered on lynching dakky, creating all kinds of bullshit excuses? That's because he is town.

I'm ready to go aage, mandy or Zerg. I'd like to lynch all 3 in one day.

Why do you say it's a faction game? I said town is dark, nobody has complained, so either it's true or the non-darks believe they are anti-town and therefore not counterclaiming. I'm happy to go with either, doesn't matter for the outcome of the game.

Also, reasons for voting me? Am I guilty by association because I talked to Storr?


@Mandy's post (not quoting cause it's big)
I understand your reasoning, it's the same reasoning I applied myself during day 1. Don't really like that you backpedalled so fast from "I won't claim alignment" to "im evil muahaha". Hotshot's vote on you was the only one between those two statements.



If I had to choose between Mandy and Mitch I'd lynch Mitch, but a bunch of people havent posted for a while so I'd like to give them the opportunity to do so.

[aage]

Also, reasons for mentioning me as lynch target? Am I guilty by association because I talked to Storr?

[StorrZerg]

Also, reasons for mentioning me as lynch target? Am I guilty by association because I talked to Storr?

Welcome my brother

[TimWoodbury]

i am M'hael my job is to get rid of the forces of light, at night I can remove1 persons action at night, I chose Doom last night,don't know what happened.

Reasons for targeting doom? Secondly, early fucking claim if I ever saw one. Thirdly, M'hael is a rank/function (like "general" or "captain"), it's not an actual name. Interesting that nobody bothered to google this but oh well. Guess flavour doesn't matter that much.

aage you seem to be need a refresher on this, i actually googled M'hael as i have never read the books and never heard of wheel of time till the last rish game, and from the wiki this is what it says
The Light is bolstered by people coming from all over the world to fight, sensing the end of all things, while the Shadow welcomes a new Forsaken: Mazrim Taim, now called "M'Hael". mentioned 6 times on the wiki and each time its mentioned as a person not a rank

woulda figured knowing the books you woulda known that.

[TimWoodbury]

If I had to choose between Mandy and Mitch I'd lynch Mitch, but a bunch of people havent posted for a while so I'd like to give them the opportunity to do so.

saying you wanna lynch mitch is saying you think hes skum, if mitch is skum then you must bealive DY is skum that or you bealive DY has no night action or choose not to use a night action last night. im willing to lynch mitch and if he flips light then DY should be net if he flips dark then we can assume DY is also dark.unvote

[StorrZerg]

Doom do you think this game has a " mafia " faction

[DoomYoshi]

Doom do you think this game has a " mafia " faction

It might, but I'm not convinced.

@aage: based on my day 1 read of Light on you.

[mandalorian2298]

voting for me is a mistake, I have the ability to help town during the day and at night. unvote Aage

Reasons for unvoting? I don't recall defending myself.

i am M'hael my job is to get rid of the forces of light, at night I can remove1 persons action at night, I chose Doom last night,don't know what happened.

Reasons for targeting doom? Secondly, early fucking claim if I ever saw one. Thirdly, M'hael is a rank/function (like "general" or "captain"), it's not an actual name. Interesting that nobody bothered to google this but oh well. Guess flavour doesn't matter that much.

I thought that he is claiming Mazrim Taim. From little that I gathered on Wheel of Time wikia, a lot of these characters had multiple names. I'm guessing that's why Rish chose this theme also to make things more complicated for dum-dums who claim early.

Eah first time I've put such little effort into a game. Not to mention I'm not really trying to control the game like I normally do. Dakky sorta lynched himself.

Madmitch is going to lynch himself as well.

@Aage I should be pretty notorious about not giving a flying f*ck about flavor and that scum hunting and talking about players is always much more helpful. Flavor talk is just an easy out for someone to not actually contribute

You are so full of shit. Nobody can act scummy because the scum don't even know who the hell they are. This is a faction game, and you are getting pretty close to being a policy lynch. Did you notice how madmitch wavered on lynching dakky, creating all kinds of bullshit excuses? That's because he is town.

I'm ready to go aage, mandy or Zerg. I'd like to lynch all 3 in one day.

Why do you say it's a faction game? I said town is dark, nobody has complained, so either it's true or the non-darks believe they are anti-town and therefore not counterclaiming. I'm happy to go with either, doesn't matter for the outcome of the game.

Also, reasons for voting me? Am I guilty by association because I talked to Storr?


@Mandy's post (not quoting cause it's big)
I understand your reasoning, it's the same reasoning I applied myself during day 1. Don't really like that you backpedalled so fast from "I won't claim alignment" to "im evil muahaha". Hotshot's vote on you was the only one between those two statements.



If I had to choose between Mandy and Mitch I'd lynch Mitch, but a bunch of people havent posted for a while so I'd like to give them the opportunity to do so.

I hear you, it's just when I'm flavoring I like to flavour big. Also, try not to think of it as "backpedalling" as much as "being duplicitous". Which is a sign of evil. Which would make me Town.

[StorrZerg]

Doom do you think this game has a " mafia " faction

It might, but I'm not convinced.

@aage: based on my day 1 read of Light on you.

Ok, so don't get upset if I'm playing a game in the mafia subforum and assume mafia are in the game unless otherwise convinced.

[WingCmdr Ginkapo]

Doom do you think this game has a " mafia " faction

It might, but I'm not convinced.

@aage: based on my day 1 read of Light on you.

Ok, so don't get upset if I'm playing a game in the mafia subforum and assume mafia are in the game unless otherwise convinced.

And dont get upset when everyone is pissed of with you. We were given win conditions, thats all that is needed for a game of mafia. It doesnt matter if there are factions or mafia and town. Play the win condition.

In normal games, there are a group called the mafia who are opposed to me. (or vice versa).

In this game there is a group called the lght, who are opposed to me.

I couldnt give a crap whether they are mafia or not, whether they have group chat or not. They are the light, I will hunt them and lynch them.

Its the damn basics of mafia.

You are becoming a good lynch candidate for the very reason you tried to start a bandwagon on Madmitch. You are trying to derail any productive conversation in this thread. You are not beneficial to the game.

[madmitch]

@ Aage That was the only name given to me,yes I unvoted you I didn't find you that much of a threat , I was wrong , I blocked Doom because of his list , I was not sure he was town or mafia and could n't take that chance, I wasn't really sure who I was either. I don't trust you , Storr or Mandy and would be happy to get rid of one of you guys. TO ALL THE DARK , WHO DO YOU WANT GONE ?

[StorrZerg]

Doom do you think this game has a " mafia " faction

It might, but I'm not convinced.

@aage: based on my day 1 read of Light on you.

Ok, so don't get upset if I'm playing a game in the mafia subforum and assume mafia are in the game unless otherwise convinced.

And dont get upset when everyone is pissed of with you. We were given win conditions, thats all that is needed for a game of mafia. It doesnt matter if there are factions or mafia and town. Play the win condition.

In normal games, there are a group called the mafia who are opposed to me. (or vice versa).

In this game there is a group called the lght, who are opposed to me.

I couldnt give a crap whether they are mafia or not, whether they have group chat or not. They are the light, I will hunt them and lynch them.

Its the damn basics of mafia.

You are becoming a good lynch candidate for the very reason you tried to start a bandwagon on Madmitch. You are trying to derail any productive conversation in this thread. You are not beneficial to the game.

You are proving my point regarding mafia. I'm also not upset in the slightest. I disagree regarding productive conversation. Multiple factions discussion isn't benefiting us today. Lynching mafia is beneficial. Madmitch claimed role blocker. He's super troll when he is mafia. Acts dumb, says weird shit as mafia. And people defend him for being nuts. Look at Harry Potter game If you need a reminder. One person has said one comment regarding his alignment possibly being not light. Which I can interpret that as a mafia knowing the alignment of Dakky and being hesitant. Sure it can be a town seeing a similar claim. But regardless that isn't madmitch actually helping town. I don't think a town madmitch would have role blocked doom.

[Metsfanmax]

I don't think a town madmitch would have role blocked doom.

What makes you think that madmitch even knew whether he was town, going into N1?

[new guy1]

Doomyoshi, why did you change your opinion on Mandy and Zerg and why were you so defensive of Mitch? Do you have a way of confirming Mitch's night action?

Thoughts so far on other players:
aage:light
BuJaber: dark
dakky: dark
gregwolf: dark
Hotshot: dark
Iron Butterfly: light
madmitch: dark
mandy: dark
Marashu: light
mets: dark
new guy: dark
Ragian: dark
sam levi: light
StorrZerg: dark
strike wolf: dark
TimWoodbury: dark
tokle: dark
william: dark
wing: light

It seems like a lot of players are stuck in a trap of the "Emperor's New Clothes".

Eah first time I've put such little effort into a game. Not to mention I'm not really trying to control the game like I normally do. Dakky sorta lynched himself.

Madmitch is going to lynch himself as well.

@Aage I should be pretty notorious about not giving a flying f*ck about flavor and that scum hunting and talking about players is always much more helpful. Flavor talk is just an easy out for someone to not actually contribute

You are so full of shit. Nobody can act scummy because the scum don't even know who the hell they are. This is a faction game, and you are getting pretty close to being a policy lynch. Did you notice how madmitch wavered on lynching dakky, creating all kinds of bullshit excuses? That's because he is town.

I'm ready to go aage, mandy or Zerg. I'd like to lynch all 3 in one day.

I'm only asking because you and Mitch have kind of put yourself in a circle of confirming each other, and then it seemed like you were trying to shift attention away from Mitch, without confirming or denying the result.

[StorrZerg]

I don't think a town madmitch would have role blocked doom.

What makes you think that madmitch even knew whether he was town, going into N1?

Fair point. What do you want to do...

[Metsfanmax]

I don't think a town madmitch would have role blocked doom.

What makes you think that madmitch even knew whether he was town, going into N1?

Fair point. What do you want to do...

i'm a little curious about HotShot, he's been trying to pin things on you as being strange, when in reality they're things you do every game.

[DoomYoshi]

Doomyoshi, why did you change your opinion on Mandy and Zerg and why were you so defensive of Mitch? Do you have a way of confirming Mitch's night action?

Thoughts so far on other players:
aage:light
BuJaber: dark
dakky: dark
gregwolf: dark
Hotshot: dark
Iron Butterfly: light
madmitch: dark
mandy: dark
Marashu: light
mets: dark
new guy: dark
Ragian: dark
sam levi: light
StorrZerg: dark
strike wolf: dark
TimWoodbury: dark
tokle: dark
william: dark
wing: light

It seems like a lot of players are stuck in a trap of the "Emperor's New Clothes".

Eah first time I've put such little effort into a game. Not to mention I'm not really trying to control the game like I normally do. Dakky sorta lynched himself.

Madmitch is going to lynch himself as well.

@Aage I should be pretty notorious about not giving a flying f*ck about flavor and that scum hunting and talking about players is always much more helpful. Flavor talk is just an easy out for someone to not actually contribute

You are so full of shit. Nobody can act scummy because the scum don't even know who the hell they are. This is a faction game, and you are getting pretty close to being a policy lynch. Did you notice how madmitch wavered on lynching dakky, creating all kinds of bullshit excuses? That's because he is town.

I'm ready to go aage, mandy or Zerg. I'd like to lynch all 3 in one day.

I'm only asking because you and Mitch have kind of put yourself in a circle of confirming each other, and then it seemed like you were trying to shift attention away from Mitch, without confirming or denying the result.

mandy and zerg were due to day 2 things. Mandy was being wishy-washy and pretending to be light, Zerg is because of the push on the mitch wagon. My theory is that mitch didn't want to lynch dakky because dakky claimed dark and mitch wants to lynch light.

I'm not even speaking to the fact of a roleblock, I have no comment and I won't confirm or deny it. Roleblock is a town role as often as it is a mafia role, and it's bullshit that he claimed with almost no provocation so I'm not going to be forced into a claim with him.

I really don't like tokle's silence. Who else has been quiet today?

[DoomYoshi]

vote sam levi

[StorrZerg]

mets, can agree with hotshot being lack luster on his push on me. like to see him do something else.

plenty of inactives to push sams a good start

[BuJaber]

Okay I'm certain that a number of scum are trying to divide our attention. We started the day focusing on one player, maybe two. Now we have accusations and minor cases against at least 6 (mitch, mandy, doom, storr, tim, sam....). We have to focus.

Doom... I'm going to change my approach. Not because I'm fully convinced you're the correct target, but because I want this day to progress in a meaningful way. So either you give us a solid reason why you've decided to back up mitch, like say give us some details on your night action, OR I will vote for you.

I'm getting a few scum vibes from some other players we haven't really discussed.. but talking about them now will go against my objective to remain focused.


FP'd by Storr... Hotshot's posts are lacking in general. He seems to be swayed really easily. Again, unless we start to build a case on hotshot I want to continue cracking open the doom/mitch mystery.