[GP] Surrender/Resign/Forfeit Button

[Donelladan]

@IcePack.

The comparison with multi or secret diplomacy is non sense.
People deadbeat all the time without any consequences.
It's like you are comparing speed limitation and murder. Rules on speed limitation are changed sometimes. Murder will always be forbidden.

Furthermore rules can be wrong.r
And if this deabeat rule isn't enforced there is a reason.

I did it in the past. One guy was reported for that, it annoyed me, 2 report were opened for the same offense, reports were closed and we walked away without punishment, being asked to not make a circus of C&A.
It would take me a day to open more than 20 reports on this issue.
Are we going to ban all trench speed players so that we can fix the problem ? Do you think banning all of us is the solution ?
We need to have a real discussion on the issue.
And saying let's enforce the rule isn't the solution, it does not solve anything.

Specific rules for specific case exist in real world as well. Tolerance is sometimes the way to go even for some kind of rule breaking.

You tell me to read the 73 pages. I did. There is not a single argument that is valid against a concede button for 1vs1 ( and poly ) trench only.
People are against it for non-sense reason.
Also - check everyone that posted recently, they are all trench speed players. You would not be concerned by the button. People that would be concerned by this button, all of them, are already using the deadbeat as a way out. How giving a concede button for us only can do any harm ?

PS : No reply on your deadbeat on trench game ?

[11Joan11]

I support the idea of a surrender/resign/forfeit button in trench games. Actually also in poly games .... when the outcome is often already so clear, it is really tedious to have to take all the turns to finish off the game. DB is the only way out. uhggg. please install this button thank you.

[BrutalBob]

Merged.

This has been proposed before and was not implemented then. It is vastly unlikely in any circumstance that such an option will be implemented.

Merging a bunch of recent posts has merit but merging with a ten year old thread? Come on. Its 75 pages long, so no one is going to read it all.

Most of those people voicing an opinion are no longer here and it is clear from the first page that they are talking about something fairly different.

[riskllama]

Mets should get a 1 week ban for poor moderation.

[guzmanuk]

It does make sense, particularly so in 24hrs games

[buddhabelly]

Have to agree that the merging of a 10-year thread was pretty rough. Also have to agree with Donelladan that it is far past time to have this choice in 1v1 trench games. Deadbeaters ask why it is necessary....well, that first time someone deadbeats on you for two rounds and you step away...then come back and they came back...well, that is when you understand the resign button.

[ghow]

This is a GREAT idea.
I would support adding this option to all non-team games.
Re: the problem of accidental resignation - add an "Are you sure?" step.
To those who don't like this option....you don't need to use it.
This option would be useful in a lot of games and to a lot of players. Please add it.

[Hells Heleons]

Would like to see surrender button. I play tons of speed games and a lot of them are lopsided and as a result most people will just deadbeat. Surrendering is better then deadbeating.

[Dukasaur]

If the losing player cares at all about other people they will pay attention and play it out. It doesn't take long to hit deploy, end, end.

I am not speaking about an hypothetic ideal world. I am speaking about reality here. I've said it in my first post. Deadbeating trench speed game is the norm for regular trench speed players.
This is an issue. We should do something about it. And it's getting worse.

And no the losing player doesn't care most of the time. Lot of speed players aren't nice at all. But this isn't what we should be talking about. We are not going to be able to change that

I've always been against the concede button. The only instance where I go from against to neutral is trench games. But even then it's not something I really like the idea of

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Why ?

In trench game we know when it's over and there is absolutely no point playing the game when it's over.
Try following : feudal epic poly (4) trench game - USA 2.1 poly(4) trench game. Those are quite terrible to deadbeat and took a lot of times to finish if you don't deadbeat them anyway
But sames goes for 1vs1 feudal epic trench game ( we are speaking of 23k speed games with those setting, so it's a relatively common game). The map is big, and it can take more than 10 turns to finish it. Yeah 10 turns aren't that long. But it's 10 turns for nothing. And when you play this map a lot it's quite boring to have to do that every fucking time you play the map.

This is true for speed, in which people deadbeat, and it's annoying for one of them. ( the one that stay).
But it's also true for 24h games, in which people don't deadbeat, but it's equally annoying to have to finish those game.

I believe you don't get it ( I see you only have a silver trench medal ) so just believe us - the trench players - we need it.

But give me a reason why in a 1vs1 game we shouldn't have a concede button ?

Because there are some pathetic people who will set up 1v1 games against their multi account, concede as soon as is permissible, and gain themselves "vital" points. Unfortunately it's the abuse of it that rules it out.

This has somehow gotten lost from the thread, but one of the things that many people agreed on when this was an active topic a few years back, was that not activating the Resign button until Turn 10 would prevent that kind of abuse.

Mets should get a 1 week ban for poor moderation.

Have to agree that the merging of a 10-year thread was pretty rough.

Merging of similar threads is normal policy. It reduces clutter in this forum. However, it does bother me that some mod in the distant past did not move important safeguards into the OP. I certainly won't bother to read 78 pages to find out who, but it should have been done. There was quite a bit of discussion back in 2012 or 13 that worked out all the possible abuses and solutions to them.

The most common scenario is one where people use this for farming multis. (I should add that I agree with Don -- creating multis is still against the rules, and someone who is creating multis to farm them will eventually get caught and get a point reset.) The easiest solution to this abuse is that the Resign button does not become active until Turn 10.

Another possible abuse is freemiums using the resign button to circumvent the four-game limit. Just keep starting new games and quit them until you get one that's going the way you wanted it to. I think the point loss is enough to discourage that behaviour, but if it's not enough there are other safeguards possible. The Resign button could be a premium perk, or there could be limitations about freemiums using it only once a day or once a week. That can be tweaked, and again it's been discussed in the past in this thread and should have been copied to the OP.

Another possible abuse is in multiplayer games, where someone is about to lose and drops out just to spitefully prevent you from getting their cards. About this possible abuse, many people said the resign button should be used only in 1v1 games. I disagree, however. I think a simpler solution is just to make it like deadbeating from a Terminator game. Your cards and troops remain on the table, and players still in the game can fight over who gets to your cards first. Again, this was discussed in the past and should have been copied to the OP.

Now that we have bots, an even better refinement can be considered. If you resign in a multiplayer game, you are not out of it, but your game gets turned over to whambot. This is what happens when you quit a multiplayer game on a site like Pogo, and it works quite well. The remaining players get the satisfaction of finishing the game, they just have a somewhat dumber opponent. At least the bot will take his turns quickly and the other players don't have to wait longer than their own turns.

[fairman]

Resign button for premium after round 6 ... I'm for it

[Donelladan]

Another possible abuse is in multiplayer games, where someone is about to lose and drops out just to spitefully prevent you from getting their cards. About this possible abuse, many people said the resign button should be used only in 1v1 games. I disagree, however. I think a simpler solution is just to make it like deadbeating from a Terminator game. Your cards and troops remain on the table, and players still in the game can fight over who gets to your cards first. Again, this was discussed in the past and should have been copied to the OP.

Now that we have bots, an even better refinement can be considered. If you resign in a multiplayer game, you are not out of it, but your game gets turned over to whambot. This is what happens when you quit a multiplayer game on a site like Pogo, and it works quite well. The remaining players get the satisfaction of finishing the game, they just have a somewhat dumber opponent. At least the bot will take his turns quickly and the other players don't have to wait longer than their own turns.

Well in my suggestion ( page 73 bottom of this thread ) the resign button would be exclusively for 1vs1 game ( or when only 2 players remains).
Also to make it more acceptable by everyone, only for trench game. Because trench players really need this. For no-trench game, it's less an issue because most of them can be finished relatively quick.

I guess I can count you as another supporter of the feature Duk

[Sir Mr Timothy]

I support adding a concede button for trench games. This feature would save a lot of time and help people move on to other games. Don't really see any reason to not have one as its better than dead beating

[Extreme Ways]

CC has been needing this for a while now, obviously with some restrictions as Don proposed to restrict abuse a bit.

[madmom]

Please, please, please add a resign button, at least for 1 v 1 trench games. Thank you!!

[u suck]

PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE Give us a a resign button!!!!!!!

[DanielG504]

I agree there should be a resign button - especially because there are occasions where you have to leave a game (family or work responsibilities) and you leave other people waiting through your turns. I understand everyone has a different opinion. When I first started playing trench speed games I felt it was my responsibility to finish out games in respect to my opponent but I soon realized it was easier to say "good game" and just db because it sped the process up.

[jdw35]

I would be in favor of a concede button for 1v1 trench games

[Mad777]

CC has been needing this for a while now, obviously with some restrictions as Don proposed to restrict abuse a bit.

Agreed.

I'm in favor of this add'on.

[thierryr]

All in favour of a resign button. It completely makes sense.

[ZornSlayer]

I support this. Maybe make it so that all parties have to agree to the db. But truth be told it happens anyway and is far more convenient, and 'surrender' has always been a part of warfare. Certinaly for 2-player games this shouled be allowed. If its a tough feature to implement technology wise, then another option would be to put surrender squares on the board so that if players step off of there they die and lose, which already happens with things like Antarctica game.

[Otnal]

I am all for it and I like the suggestion that Dukasaur made regarding the use of bots in multi player games when someone resigns or is kicked out.

[KKlemen]

I totally support the resign button.

[deejones]

I to am agreeing with the resign button. It has to be on 1vs1's only though. If it is put in with 3 or more player games the "quitters" would be quitting all the time. It would not serve a purpose but to ruin the integrity of the game.
For the 1v1 in would be very helpful in ending the agony of a game that is so obvious.
Also someone mentioned to make sure it is not easy to accidentally hit the resign button. I agree with that also.
It could also be put in the start up a game menu. standard, trench, escalating, resign button, etc etc...

[SamSosa99]

In favor of resign button for 1v1 Trench games as well. Maybe make this a "premium only" option to keep away from farmers (if anybody even still does that)

[Ugly_Moose]

As a frequent player of 1 on 1 games I completely support having an I QUIT , I RESIGN or similar button. but only for 1 on 1 games (poly also but 1 on 1). How about make it another option in the game set up screen. When starting a game give the creator of the game the option of having a I Resign button within the screen. Then its up to us the players.