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jonesthecurl wrote:The assassin was obviously one of the richer smarter types that has convinced mrsw.
He was probably paid to do it by Vote Remain as a PR stunt to sabotage Leave's popularity.
Good one. they probably hired Boris johnson to put off anyone with a brain, too.
Political actors not part of the ruling class in crowd are often vilified by the in crowd as soon as they stand up to the ruling class consensus. It happened to Jeremy Corbyn, and Remain have tried it with Boris Johnson.
Luckily a majority the British people can see through the lies of Big Business aka Vote Remain.
mrswdk wrote:Re waauw's 5 - most of the Brexit campaigners seem to be proposing that if the UK left the EU, it would not seek to join the EEA (and would therefore have no need to adopt the EU's freedom of movement).
Personally for me #4, the prospect of a bunch of UK-EU trade tariffs and the fact that almost every expert things Brexit is a terrible idea is all the information I need to go on.
Given that the experts are from a wide range of industries and don't have a common interest, I'm going with the experts as well. I wonder how much of the Brexit movement is related to immigration concerns.
It's basically become their flagship argument for leaving the EU.
WingCmdr Ginkapo wrote:
waauw wrote:(4) Even if the UK left the EU, the only way they can export any of their products to the EU is by adapting to EU regulations, on which at that moment they would have no influence whatsoever.
And those exports would be?
Are you trying to imply something? Just over 44% of the UK's exports go to other parts of the EU.
waauw wrote:(4) Even if the UK left the EU, the only way they can export any of their products to the EU is by adapting to EU regulations, on which at that moment they would have no influence whatsoever.
And those exports would be?
Are you trying to imply something? Just over 44% of the UK's exports go to other parts of the EU.
And what percentage of the UK economy is based on manufacturing?
waauw wrote:(4) Even if the UK left the EU, the only way they can export any of their products to the EU is by adapting to EU regulations, on which at that moment they would have no influence whatsoever.
And those exports would be?
Are you trying to imply something? Just over 44% of the UK's exports go to other parts of the EU.
And what percentage of the UK economy is based on manufacturing?
I don't know. Google says manufacturing is 10% of the UK's GVA. The UK's financial and legal service export surpluses make up about 3.5% of the UK's GDP. How many fish are there in the River Severn?
waauw wrote:(4) Even if the UK left the EU, the only way they can export any of their products to the EU is by adapting to EU regulations, on which at that moment they would have no influence whatsoever.
And those exports would be?
Are you trying to imply something? Just over 44% of the UK's exports go to other parts of the EU.
And what percentage of the UK economy is based on manufacturing?
I don't know. Google says manufacturing is 10% of the UK's GVA. The UK's financial and legal service export surpluses make up about 3.5% of the UK's GDP. How many fish are there in the River Severn?
As you say, it's more than just manufacturing. Agriculture and mining/Petrol count as well, and so do all the goods produced abroad and brought into the EU through the UK, which I guess would mostly be Commonwealth products.
Not to mention that China has been betting on using the UK as its front door into the EU. How could Britain let down its most important and coolest friend？！？！ D:
mrswdk wrote:Not to mention that China has been betting on using the UK as its front door into the EU. How could Britain let down its most important and coolest friend？！？！ D:
Did you have friends as a child? You seem to use the word "friend' in the wrong context every time.
Don't be such a prude ya! No need to keep everyone at an arm's length until you've got two years plus of officially documented interpersonal interaction - just reach out and feel the love!
Thank you for demonstrating how fucking clueless you are on British politics, by using the Daily Mail as some kind of reliable indication for absolutely anything.
mrswdk wrote:Mrs WDK and IAmCaffeine - OT best buds 2016!
Best buds spell each other's handles correctly, wkd.
Thank you for demonstrating how fucking clueless you are on British politics, by using the Daily Mail as some kind of reliable indication for absolutely anything.
Yeah. If I wasn't already decided on "IN". that would do it for me.
Thank you for demonstrating how fucking clueless you are on British politics, by using the Daily Mail as some kind of reliable indication for absolutely anything.
Yeah. If I wasn't already decided on "IN". that would do it for me.
Well the Mail on Sunday says people should vote remain. Now what are you gonna do?
iAmCaffeine wrote:Thank you for demonstrating how fucking clueless you are on British politics, by using the Daily Mail as some kind of reliable indication for absolutely anything.
You mean you can't trust the Daily Mail for what the Daily Mail thinks?
Oh wait, I guess I forgot to post the BBC videos ... I only posted them on Facebook. My Bad. For the record ... I loved the sausage one.
In all honestly, you can't really trust the UK media. Probably the same with most nations. However, Rupert Murdoch controls quite a large portion of the newspapers. Need I say more?
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Pack Rat wrote:if it quacks like a duck and walk like a duck, it's still fascism
GoranZ wrote:If UK voters decide to leave they should leave as friends and not expelled as enemies so if another generation of UK voters decide to return to EU they can be accepted as friends(like nothing happened before). Thats the only way EU will become stronger regardless of UK's vote. Anything else could mark the beginning of the end for EU.
The problem with that is, what can be considered a friendly break? Does this mean the EU would have to give the UK extremely beneficial concessions? Or is the EU treating the UK like any other non-EU country already considered friendly?
Since its obvious that Brexit might turn into a catastrophe for the whole continent, not just for EU and UK, quick negotiations with objective of keeping acquired benefits for both EU and UK should be considered friendly enough. The faster the negotiations conclude the less damage will be done by speculations and potential uncertainty.
Nonsense. I understand why you would want to think so considering your opinions would fit in well into the far right camp, but most political leaders actually want to avoid offering credibility to such parties. What you're claiming is nothing but a delusional dream. Ministers from France, Italy and Germany have already indicated any negotiation will be tough if even taken place.
It would be a pity for the British people, because after all it is their right to decide their future for themselves, but unfortunately the rest of europe is dealing with internal issues themselves that require unfavorable positioning around the negotiation table. If the UK would have left 10 years ago when euroscepticism wasn't at such a high, a friendly break might have been possible, but not in the current political climate.
Thats the problem that UK is pointing out, and why they are voting today. EU institutions are simply horrible at making fast and good decisions. And regardless of the outcome things will have to change, a lot. How fast will be determined by the BREXIT voting tho.
According to the Economist, the threat posed to the world economy by Brexit is of the same magnitude as the threat posed by an armed clash in the South China Sea (as China evicts the unwanted Americans).
