Random Historical Mafia(The Gunpowder Plot); Town Win!

[BuJaber]

Hung over. Just wanted to add that I think Greg's last input looked like "I'm still here, but not saying anything, merely summing up." That always raises red flags with me. He's promised more, though. Hotshot did sort of the same thing, I feel.

Yeah I agree. Not saying they're scum for sure, but it could be FOS-worthy.

@ Ragian would you like to buy a slightly used liver?

As much as I hate to discourage humor, and I think you have a fun attitude.. unfortunately in this game overdoing it seems a little iffy to me. Like you're too relaxed; you don't care if we get a good lynch or not.

[madmitch]

@ BuJaber , you are completely wrong,I DEFINATELY want a good lynch that is why I was on your ass until you proved yourself ,but remarks like that don't help find the scum.

[TimWoodbury]

@ BuJaber , you are completely wrong,I DEFINATELY want a good lynch that is why I was on your ass until you proved yourself ,but remarks like that don't help find the scum.

and the quote he quoted of you dont help either. so weve decided bu is town whos next on the list. im curious of wing even more after one of his previous comments saying you cant even google his character... in a historical mafia game

[madmitch]

@ Tim , yeah you are right , it gets you wondering,

[dakky21]

I think dakky is scum. He seems to be changing his mind a lot pointing at multiple targets at the same time. Last time he was "sure" mitch was scum he kept insisting on it and not changing his mind at all. I hate going on meta but since he likes it so much lol perhaps it's useful. Some people are saying maybe they should lynch me to see if I'm telling the truth or not. I don't agree with that logic but at least it's a reason to do so. Dakky first said I'm town and I should be lynched then said I'm scum because he doesn't believe I could be governor. He's just acting a little scummy. I usually feel scum tells are much more subtle but there are exceptions.

Just a comment on this one: If you claim the King, and you are lying, why would the real King counterclaim his role and point scum in his direction, while you are the pawn to be killed. You could be something like "King's double" who has a safe fake claim, made to lynch/kill you instead of the real King. If I was the King I surely wouldn't claim it like you did. And if I was the King, I wouldn't counterclaim you, better you get lynched than me. It's better for the town...

[Marashu]

Amusingly, my character cannot be found on google, so there is that too.

Between this and your fakeclaim comment, I feel like it would be so weird for you to keep saying things like this if you're mafia.
Unvote

It is possible for multiple people to arrive at the same conclusion while having completely different motivations for getting there. I criticized WCG specifically because he should know better. Conversely this sort of theorizing coming from mitch is completely normal and non-alignment-indicative. Not entirely sure how to read dakky's argumentation on this. I think it's possible that WCG and dakky are both scum, but right now, as I said, I lean more heavily towards the latter.

While true that people can get to the same point with different motivations, in my opinion it's always worth scrutinizing arguments when this happens, especially in the later reasons. It's common for scum to try to get on a bandwagon for different reasons than the one starting it, just so it looks like they aren't bandwagoning.

You know what? By my count, dakky's at L-3. Let's get a claim.
Vote dakky

[dakky21]

Actually, I'm at L-2 now with gregwolf121, Metsfanmax, IB, Bujaber, Marashu on me... before you get me to L-1, try to re-read my posts. Maybe you'll notice subtle hints.

[madmitch]

I went back and reread the posts and found something interesting, WCG thought both Bujaber and Dakky were scum, look at the info, everyone was on BuJaber ,almost hung him, them we believed his story about being king, but Dakky jumped on him after people were getting of that band wagon, why ? maybe Dakky is right ,maybe Dakky is the real king and BuJaber is a decoy or maybe Dakky was the decoy and BuJaber will save Dakky after the hammer, or Wing was right all long and we all are being played the fool.

[Metsfanmax]

Just a comment on this one: If you claim the King, and you are lying, why would the real King counterclaim his role and point scum in his direction, while you are the pawn to be killed.

In this scenario, the real King is very unlikely to have a role powerful enough to justify avoiding the lynch of mafia. There are only a couple of roles that I would hesitate to trade for a member of the mafia, like cop or doc, and the King is unlikely to have one of those.

You could be something like "King's double" who has a safe fake claim, made to lynch/kill you instead of the real King. If I was the King I surely wouldn't claim it like you did.

So just so we are clear, you are saying that you would have lied? Glad that we know your motivations here.

And if I was the King, I wouldn't counterclaim you, better you get lynched than me. It's better for the town...

This makes no sense. The whole point of counterclaiming is to ensure that the other person gets lynched. If you were King and you counterclaimed him, BuJaber would be insta-lynched as a matter of policy. You would know that he was lying and therefore probably scum, so it would make sense. You wouldn't be at risk of a lynch, you would be if anything at risk of a mafia night-kill.

[Metsfanmax]

I will grant that it is possible that BuJaber does have a town role like "King's double" in which he is intended to claim king and draw fire away from the real King, but that's very different from him being scum and fakeclaiming King.

[dakky21]

And if I was the King, I wouldn't counterclaim you, better you get lynched than me. It's better for the town...

This makes no sense. The whole point of counterclaiming is to ensure that the other person gets lynched. If you were King and you counterclaimed him, BuJaber would be insta-lynched as a matter of policy. You would know that he was lying and therefore probably scum, so it would make sense. You wouldn't be at risk of a lynch, you would be if anything at risk of a mafia night-kill.

I will grant that it is possible that BuJaber does have a town role like "King's double" in which he is intended to claim king and draw fire away from the real King, but that's very different from him being scum and fakeclaiming King.

That's exactly what I'm trying to say here. The real King won't counterclaim to avoid being night-killed by mafia and it's better to lynch "King's double" than the King himself. As I already said, I find BuJaber's claim overpowered and thus believe he is lying, either to be a King, or to have a multi use veto power on a lynch. If he can prevent any lynch all the time (and uses his power on every lynch), the mafia will kill us one-by-one till whole town is dead. Overpowered role, not easily believable.

[WingCmdr Ginkapo]

Dakky. Claim or be lynched. Your choice.

[dakky21]

Dakky. Claim or be lynched. Your choice.

I'm at L-2 mate... Don't repeat MadMitch's mistakes... If only you tried to hammer.

[WingCmdr Ginkapo]

Dakky. Claim or be lynched. Your choice.

I'm at L-2 mate... Don't repeat MadMitch's mistakes... If only you tried to hammer.

Vote Dakky

Dont play chicken with me.

[dakky21]

Dakky. Claim or be lynched. Your choice.

I'm at L-2 mate... Don't repeat MadMitch's mistakes... If only you tried to hammer.

Vote Dakky

Dont play chicken with me.

LOL

Right... now I am at L-1... OK let me think the course of further actions since I'm lynch proof.
I can't claim my role as that would really hurt town and there is no reason for it even being on L-1. As I said, re-read my posts above.

[WingCmdr Ginkapo]

Dakky. Claim or be lynched. Your choice.

I'm at L-2 mate... Don't repeat MadMitch's mistakes... If only you tried to hammer.

Vote Dakky

Dont play chicken with me.

LOL

Right... now I am at L-1... OK let me think the course of further actions since I'm lynch proof.
I can't claim my role as that would really hurt town and there is no reason for it even being on L-1. As I said, re-read my posts above.

I am happy with Mets' interpretation. You are trying to softclaim the same role as Bujaber without saying it. If you dont have the balls to claim it, then I will choose to believe Bujaber over you.

[dakky21]

I am happy with Mets' interpretation. You are trying to softclaim the same role as Bujaber without saying it. If you dont have the balls to claim it, then I will choose to believe Bujaber over you.

Fine with me, but you're making a mistake. I'll survive the lynch and what will happen next? Wasted lynch if you ask me while not bringing any new information into the game.

And I'm not trying to softclaim the same role as BuJ. My role is pretty much more vague.

[dakky21]

Tell me Wing, would I be this courageous and brave if I wasn't really lynchproof? You'd expect a defense but you're not getting it. You can (try) to lynch me, I can't wait for mitch's hammer, while I'm saying only the truth, and you will need me later in the game if you want to win with town. If you're some kind of 3rd party survivor, then I accept your thinking, but please try to accept my as well. I'll probably get shot by mafia tonight and if there's a doctor, please save me.

[TimWoodbury]

I agree sounds like dakky is claimung to be king or somethibg similar. He brought talk of kings double for bj thus leading us here. Dakky are you trying to be lynched so that you can make it no lynch today and possably be killed by skum tonight?

[TimWoodbury]

Wing with you pushing and voting dakky at this moment looks really nad on you. I do bealive my vote is on you but jist incase its not vote wingcommander

[dakky21]

I agree sounds like dakky is claimung to be king or somethibg similar. He brought talk of kings double for bj thus leading us here. Dakky are you trying to be lynched so that you can make it no lynch today and possably be killed by skum tonight?

If I'm lynched today, no lynch will happen, and mafia will probably try to kill me tonight unless someone protects me. I bet there is a protective role in the game. Ending a day with no lynch doesn't benefit town at all and losing a high power unlynchable town role is a non favorable to town even more. If you don't believe me, go ahead and lynch me, but have a doctor stand-by for the night. Easily proven role.

[william18]

Vote Count:

Bujaber - Dakky21
Dakky - gregwolf121, mestfanmax, Iron Butterfly, Bujaber, Marashu, WingCmdrGinkapo
WingCmdrGinkapo - Tim Woodbury
Metsfanmax - madmitch

[WingCmdr Ginkapo]

I agree sounds like dakky is claimung to be king or somethibg similar. He brought talk of kings double for bj thus leading us here. Dakky are you trying to be lynched so that you can make it no lynch today and possably be killed by skum tonight?

If I'm lynched today, no lynch will happen, and mafia will probably try to kill me tonight unless someone protects me. I bet there is a protective role in the game. Ending a day with no lynch doesn't benefit town at all and losing a high power unlynchable town role is a non favorable to town even more. If you don't believe me, go ahead and lynch me, but have a doctor stand-by for the night. Easily proven role.

You havent told us what your role is, so how can it be easily proved!

You also havent given us any reason for a doctor to save you!

All you have done is give us more reason to push the lynch through.

[dakky21]

I'm not going to tell you what my role is because I don't know what/who are you and I have that luxury that you can't lynch me, while that is provable pretty much.

It's up to you to believe me or not. Waste a lynch and get me night killed. Sounds like a plan for us.

If I reveal my role I'll be shot by mafia tonight for sure and it's better to keep it a secret, that's why I'm asking for protection tonight, even if I'm lynched.

[WingCmdr Ginkapo]

In other news. The mod has issued a correction to my role name.... it now makes quite a bit more sense and is googlable...

Cheers William.