Random Historical Mafia(The Gunpowder Plot); Town Win!

[TimWoodbury]

@ I.B. how to you know that they are both townies ? I am pretty sure Wing is but I am having concerns about Mets, he sure seems to know a lot about this story and his very first statement was I am not Guy Fawkes, that had me wondering big time . So God saved the King , and I will UNVOTE VOTE METS

if mets was skum woud he really be fighting tooth and nail to save the king??

[WingCmdr Ginkapo]

@ I.B. how to you know that they are both townies ? I am pretty sure Wing is but I am having concerns about Mets, he sure seems to know a lot about this story and his very first statement was I am not Guy Fawkes, that had me wondering big time . So God saved the King , and I will UNVOTE VOTE METS

if mets was skum woud he really be fighting tooth and nail to save the king??

Would Mets be fighting tooth and nail to save someone, for whom there is no evidence of them being king, if he was town?

[Metsfanmax]

Mets isn't fighting tooth and nail to save anyone. As usual, Mets is fighting only for rational play in this game.

[madmitch]

@ Tim was he really fighting for the safety of the King or was he just trying to win a
the argument with Wing ? Or is this just a good cover story ? Christ , I really don't know anymore.

[Ragian]

Cheers, mets.

I'm leaving for a friend's wedding in Scotland tomorrow morning. Right now, I'm not voting because I'm not settled, but I'll do my best to check in when hung over various times during the weekend.

I'm still sort of sceptical about BuJ, I find the thoughts on dakky interesting, and I think that mitch keeps digging his hole bigger and bigger. Those are my thoughts so far. I'll back it up with my vote when I get across the Northern Sea.

[BuJaber]

OHhhhhhh....this is the part I forgot about. A 5 page argument between Townies as the day wanes.

Mets either make a case and vote Wing or focus on other matters. It has been awhile but is certifiably par for the course. You guys are arguing stupid shit and trying to be right. Just let us know when your done so we can continue.

This is not merely academic. Wing's argument is essentially the entirety of his basis for being skeptical of BuJaber. If we can convince him that the King having a role like governor is really not at all out of the ordinary for a game of CC mafia then we can focus on better cases.

You realize mitch also holds the same opinion as Wing? And apparently dakky too. Statistically rather unlikely that all 3 are scum, because why would they all agree on the same point like that and expose themselves.
However my point is, if you're feeling uneasy about Wing because of his reaction to my claim you have to also look at dakky and mitch.

Dakky first says he believes I'm town, then says he doesn't believe that I have a governor roles so votes for me.. just seems unsure and suspicious. I can see myself voting for mitch also.

Even though he's not bringing attention to himself like ^ those two, my gut still says Ragian is scum. No support for that theory though, so maybe I can build a case later in the game. For now I will Unvote and think about who to vote for between dakky and mitch.

FP'd by pretty much everyone.

[BuJaber]

Thoughts on last few posts: I can't say why Mets would or would not defend my role. But it didn't seem to me like he's doing that. The majority of the Wing-Mets discussion was on how mafia games are and how influential meta/theme is or is not. Which to reiterate what IB says is a waste of time.

We can all theorize about what the theme means in the game; but in the end mods have full discretion to play around with it as they see fit. The objective that town and mafia has in each game is more or less consistent.

Compared to everyone else's level of activity gregwolf and ptlowe are being too quiet. I understand real life keeps us all busy from time to time, but please do join in ASAP because I do not like it when quiet people slip through whole days seemingly unnoticed.

[Metsfanmax]

OHhhhhhh....this is the part I forgot about. A 5 page argument between Townies as the day wanes.

Mets either make a case and vote Wing or focus on other matters. It has been awhile but is certifiably par for the course. You guys are arguing stupid shit and trying to be right. Just let us know when your done so we can continue.

This is not merely academic. Wing's argument is essentially the entirety of his basis for being skeptical of BuJaber. If we can convince him that the King having a role like governor is really not at all out of the ordinary for a game of CC mafia then we can focus on better cases.

You realize mitch also holds the same opinion as Wing? And apparently dakky too. Statistically rather unlikely that all 3 are scum, because why would they all agree on the same point like that and expose themselves.
However my point is, if you're feeling uneasy about Wing because of his reaction to my claim you have to also look at dakky and mitch.

It is possible for multiple people to arrive at the same conclusion while having completely different motivations for getting there. I criticized WCG specifically because he should know better. Conversely this sort of theorizing coming from mitch is completely normal and non-alignment-indicative. Not entirely sure how to read dakky's argumentation on this. I think it's possible that WCG and dakky are both scum, but right now, as I said, I lean more heavily towards the latter.

[Metsfanmax]

We can all theorize about what the theme means in the game; but in the end mods have full discretion to play around with it as they see fit. The objective that town and mafia has in each game is more or less consistent.

This was essentially the point I was making. So if comments like these are a waste of time, why did you weigh in?

[HotShot53]

I will unvote, as BuJaber's claim seems reasonable, I can see the King getting the governor role.

I don't really see the case on Dakky of him not standing out enough... he tried to lead the case on Mitch, didn't he?

And in Wing & Met's little spat, nothing all that scummy has come up... I'll believe Wing for now that the original post got edited when the theme changed etc, although that could just be a good excuse.

I re-read the thread again, and nothing lynchworthy is jumping out at me yet...

[dakky21]

Mets you're a great player and be it town or scum, you always write a ton of text and people see that as something good. Go ahead and lynch me, but I'm starting to thing you're the baaaad one.. my meta on you is similar to madmitch, you post a ton of text be it scum or town, but this time I think you're not town. Between you and BuJaber I still choose BuJ but I will switch my vote to you if necessary or you are at L-2.

[ptlowe]

OHhhhhhh....this is the part I forgot about. A 5 page argument between Townies as the day wanes.

Mets either make a case and vote Wing or focus on other matters. It has been awhile but is certifiably par for the course. You guys are arguing stupid shit and trying to be right. Just let us know when your done so we can continue.

This is not merely academic. Wing's argument is essentially the entirety of his basis for being skeptical of BuJaber. If we can convince him that the King having a role like governor is really not at all out of the ordinary for a game of CC mafia then we can focus on better cases.

You realize mitch also holds the same opinion as Wing? And apparently dakky too. Statistically rather unlikely that all 3 are scum, because why would they all agree on the same point like that and expose themselves.
However my point is, if you're feeling uneasy about Wing because of his reaction to my claim you have to also look at dakky and mitch.

Dakky first says he believes I'm town, then says he doesn't believe that I have a governor roles so votes for me.. just seems unsure and suspicious. I can see myself voting for mitch also.

Even though he's not bringing attention to himself like ^ those two, my gut still says Ragian is scum. No support for that theory though, so maybe I can build a case later in the game. For now I will Unvote and think about who to vote for between dakky and mitch.

FP'd by pretty much everyone.

Still got three pages to go through and have to put all my thoughts down. Getting behind sucks but by the end of the weekend I'll be caught up. For now unvote

[Ragian]

Just arrived in Scotland. Posting from phone. Apologising in advance.

@BuJ, by all means give us what you have on me, so it's on record for others to decide what they think. The more people have to take into account D1, the more difficult it is for scum to stay unattached without seeming uncommitted.

@hotshot, what do you think of mitch now that you pointed to dakky leading the charge on him?

[gregwolf121]

quick summary
so the Bujaber case has ended in a claim, which since their has been no counterclaim odds are bujaber is telling the truth. only 2 ways to be absolutely sure, lynch bujaber. or lynch someone else and have bujaber stop the lynch. either way not a good idea right now.
the wing case has been dropped, for lack of solid evidence
the whole argument between wing and mets, basically i felt that it was going around in circles
the case on dakky seems to be going nowhere.

basically since the bujaber case we have been looking for a new direction to go. just what that direction should be im not sure yet. there were i few things i noticed while i was reading the recent posts, but i want to go back and reread the thread to see if they actually come out to anything.

[Marashu]

I'm not quite buying the meta read on dakky. In the last game I really remember being in with him (the Stack the Deck game), I was mafia and he was town, and I remember making a case on how quiet he was D1, then how follow-the-PR he was D2. Granted, it's different this time, since I'm town and don't actually know what he is, but based on his play so far, it's not screaming mafia to me.

Out of time, I'll try to post more tonight before bed.

[HotShot53]

@hotshot, what do you think of mitch now that you pointed to dakky leading the charge on him?

Well, even dakky gave up that charge once he realized no-one was following... I don't think it's enough "meta" that because someone does a joke vote in orange instead of red they should be lynched. It does seem a bit strange that dakky joined the BuJaber wagon after everyone else was getting off... not sure what to make of that.

[BuJaber]

We can all theorize about what the theme means in the game; but in the end mods have full discretion to play around with it as they see fit. The objective that town and mafia has in each game is more or less consistent.

This was essentially the point I was making. So if comments like these are a waste of time, why did you weigh in?

You're right. I'm sorry.


Ragian - nothing solid on you yet. You voted on me too quickly in my opinion and you're usually a little more involved; but this day 1 it might mean nothing.

I think dakky is scum. He seems to be changing his mind a lot pointing at multiple targets at the same time. Last time he was "sure" mitch was scum he kept insisting on it and not changing his mind at all. I hate going on meta but since he likes it so much lol perhaps it's useful. Some people are saying maybe they should lynch me to see if I'm telling the truth or not. I don't agree with that logic but at least it's a reason to do so. Dakky first said I'm town and I should be lynched then said I'm scum because he doesn't believe I could be governor. He's just acting a little scummy. I usually feel scum tells are much more subtle but there are exceptions.

Vote Dakky

[madmitch]

I think I will keep my vote where it is for now, I just don't like his statement I am not Guy Fawkes , we can all say that, prove it who are you ? As for BuJaber even though I believe him ,I still can't see how his ability is good for town at this stage.Even though I am upset with Dakky and his meta I can't jump on that wagon yet ,I can't in good faith vote for someone because I am mad at them. I like to hear a bit more from PT and GregWolf

[Metsfanmax]

How would you like me to prove it?

[madmitch]

You could tell us who you really are, but then you could lie about that, so I guess you can't ,only a cop type role could check you out, so we have to wait until day 2 I guess.

[WingCmdr Ginkapo]

You could tell us who you really are, but then you could lie about that, so I guess you can't ,only a cop type role could check you out, so we have to wait until day 2 I guess.

Do i need to restart my spat with Mets about fakeclaims?

Amusingly, my character cannot be found on google, so there is that too.

Whats Dakky on now?

[madmitch]

@ WCG who's your character? maybe I can find it ?

[Ragian]

Hung over. Just wanted to add that I think Greg's last input looked like "I'm still here, but not saying anything, merely summing up." That always raises red flags with me. He's promised more, though. Hotshot did sort of the same thing, I feel.

[madmitch]

@ Ragian would you like to buy a slightly used liver?

[TimWoodbury]

You could tell us who you really are, but then you could lie about that, so I guess you can't ,only a cop type role could check you out, so we have to wait until day 2 I guess.

Do i need to restart my spat with Mets about fakeclaims?

Amusingly, my character cannot be found on google, so there is that too.

Whats Dakky on now?

your a historical character yet you cant be found on google?? that dont sound right now im really curious as to who you are maybe askjeeves will have it