[SPECIAL] Surprise Mafia - Over - Mafia Wins - MVP Aladdin

[AladdinSane]

I agree that Mets is very likely scum, for the reasons I had said in previous days.
Though I do wonder why IB is saying vote mets, rather than, you know, voting Mets...

Vote Mets

I didn't use my power, like folks have said, it's basically useless at this point... Unless there's a busdriver or something?

Both Mets and IB were on teh Rish vote, wile you and Rish were teh only votes on DJP dat day, who terned out to be Town. As I pointed out den, Mafia wood not have wanted to be on teh Rish vote, given teh numbers at dat time, plus Rish's power roll and teh potenshal fer his deth to give us so mutch info, so you are looking teh scumiest to me now.

VOTE / (SLASH)

Fped TWR...and Mets

[Metsfanmax]

Consider teh patern of NKs over teh first four nites:

N1: Marashu (cop)
N2: PTLowe (cop)
N3: no kill
N4 Marashu agin (cop)

Obviusly Mafia was intent on taking out our cops.

so that begs the question, why not take out our cop enabler and neutralize all the cops in one go?

If we assume that rish was the only mafia blocking power, then that strategy doesn't work. If rish had started blocking cops then he would have gotten lynched way earlier.

[AladdinSane]

Consider teh patern of NKs over teh first four nites:

N1: Marashu (cop)
N2: PTLowe (cop)
N3: no kill
N4 Marashu agin (cop)

Obviusly Mafia was intent on taking out our cops.

so that begs the question, why not take out our cop enabler and neutralize all the cops in one go?

Yeh, I was eggspeckting to be NKed N3 or N4, and sed so at teh time. I orso qwestjunned why Rish dident jail me those nites.

Their was an ishue raised by Storr about teh timing - wether if I was killed, cop investimagashuns fer dat nite wood go thru or not. I dident know so I asked teh Mods, but dident get a reply. I only got a reply fer another qwestjun - weather my power werked like a power roll or like a global efect - global efect. But teh timing ishue mite eggsplain why Mafia went fer teh cops demsevles - dey woodent be able to report on an investimagashun dey did dat nite.

FPed Mets

[rizky_biznezz]

sorry havent been around much.. going to attempt to do some reading and notes now

[AladdinSane]

Aladdin, you are quite right, on N3 i was not confirmed town, however, mafia knew i was town and that i was refusing to claim, giving strong inferences that i could indeed have been a doc.

Ment to adress dis erlier: I don't tink Mafia wood have been looking fer a Doc on N3 - only after N3 wen their hit on revived Marashu (as I am sermising) went awry.

[AladdinSane]

I gess another posibility is dat Mafia DID target me N3, but I was perteckted by teh hidden Doc. Then dey went after revived Marashu N4 but teh Doc perteckted me agin, so Marashu died fer teh secund time. In a way, dat kinda makes even moor sense than teh "Mafia tried to hit Marashu N3 AND N4" thery.

[Metsfanmax]

Why would a hidden doc do anything other than attempt to protect Marashu N4?

[AladdinSane]

Why would a hidden doc do anything other than attempt to protect Marashu N4?

I don't know if yer addressing dat qwestjun to me, but my answer wood be dat teh hidden Doc mite have chosen to pertect me on N4, if he/she eggspected Mafia to hit me, as TWR pointed out, rather than Marashu.

Teh facks are consistent wit a number of senarios:

1. N3 Doc pertecks Marashu, Mafia targets Marashu - no NK; N4 Doc pertecks me, Mafia targets Marashu agin - Marashu dies.

2. N3 Doc pertecks me, Mafia targets me - no NK; N4 Doc pertecks me agin, mafia targets Marashu - Marashu dies.

etc.

[Metsfanmax]

Ok, fair enough. It just depends on how ballsy the doc is, whether they think they can out-WIFOM the mafia and opt not to protect Marashu. If so, it doesn't seem to have worked!

[AladdinSane]

Ok, fair enough. It just depends on how ballsy the doc is, whether they think they can out-WIFOM the mafia and opt not to protect Marashu. If so, it doesn't seem to have worked!

Well, tanks to teh massclaim, on N3/N4 we had plenny of PR targets out in teh open an beging fer NK - Marashu, me, teh inventers, you (assuming yore Town) - a hidden Doc woodent have had mutch chanse of stopping a NK moor than wunse bak den.

Now, as I have sed awreddy, their is only Mets (agin, assuming he is Town), and dis mite help eggsplain why we have seen Mafia switch to claimed VTs (orso, teh posibility of hitting teh Doc).

[Iron Butterfly]

I agree that Mets is very likely scum, for the reasons I had said in previous days.
Though I do wonder why IB is saying vote mets, rather than, you know, voting Mets...

Vote Mets

I didn't use my power, like folks have said, it's basically useless at this point... Unless there's a busdriver or something?

Nice of you to join us.

I did not vote as there was and is no hurry. We saw what happened with you yesterday and how quickly you were voted. Oh that's right you were not around.

[WingCmdr Ginkapo]

Mets (2) - Mitch, /
/ (1) - Aladdin

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I agree that Mets is very likely scum, for the reasons I had said in previous days.
Though I do wonder why IB is saying vote mets, rather than, you know, voting Mets...

Vote Mets

I didn't use my power, like folks have said, it's basically useless at this point... Unless there's a busdriver or something?

Nice of you to join us.

I did not vote as there was and is no hurry. We saw what happened with you yesterday and how quickly you were voted. Oh that's right you were not around.

mmk. I don't know what you want me to say. Obviously I can't promise I'll spend time I don't have. Every time I do show up before I've offered complete cases which you'll find still stand up to scrutiny, which is more than I could say for a good deal of players here.
I can't just conjure more, and any further participation would just be empty platitudes. Unless you just want me to yell something out every time I'm online. *DING* / is currently online!

[PLAYER57832]

I agree that Mets is very likely scum, for the reasons I had said in previous days.
Though I do wonder why IB is saying vote mets, rather than, you know, voting Mets...

Vote Mets

I didn't use my power, like folks have said, it's basically useless at this point... Unless there's a busdriver or something?

Nice of you to join us.

I did not vote as there was and is no hurry. We saw what happened with you yesterday and how quickly you were voted. Oh that's right you were not around.

mmk. I don't know what you want me to say. Obviously I can't promise I'll spend time I don't have. Every time I do show up before I've offered complete cases which you'll find still stand up to scrutiny, which is more than I could say for a good deal of players here.
I can't just conjure more, and any further participation would just be empty platitudes. Unless you just want me to yell something out every time I'm online. *DING* / is currently online!

Yeah, I don't really get the "they are absent so obviously scum" reasoning, either, but apparently that is how the game works. That said, it is the holidays.

[AladdinSane]

Yeah, I don't really get the "they are absent so obviously scum" reasoning, either, but apparently that is how the game works. That said, it is the holidays.

Teh way I unnerstan it, frum limited eggsperiense, just like you, is dis: Sumwun cood sertanly have valid RL reesons fer not having time fer teh game, but dey cood orso be "scummarining" - staying qwiet so as to avoid ansering dificolt qwestjuns about how dey used there powers (if eny), or how dey voted etc. Wun way to find scum is to catch dem out in a lie by asking teh hard qwestjuns, and wen tings get a bit tite, sum Mafia will try to avoid ansering by going qwiet.

So, yeh, it's not definitely alinement-indickative, but it CAN look suspishus.

Then we have playas like yerself, who reelize dey will scummy and post littul nuttink posts about how dey have sum idees about scum but arnt reddy to share dem yet, and stuff like dat. Phoning it in, if you will.

[AladdinSane]

mmk. I don't know what you want me to say.

You tink Mets is scum - fair enuff, you mite well be rite their. How about thorts on other Mafia?

Orso, I dont qwite get why you dident use yore claimed power to support teh inventers frum N3 until dey died? OIr revived-Marashu on N3/N4? (fare enuff if you thort revived-Marashu was prob scum - so did I and a few others).Who were you saving yer powers up fer? Wit Mafia systematicly killing our power rolls, it wood have made sense to use dem up wile sum of those power rolls were still around. Instead, you held off and now yer powers are ormost useless - teh wun known roll you can support now is Mets, but you wont do it becorse you tink he is scum.

It dozent look like a super-Towny use of yer powers, ortho suporting PTLowe on N2 was sound...if dat's wot reely hapened. Conveenently, we dident get to see if PTLowe's N2 investimagashun got blokked or not.

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I use my powers for those I trust, the inventors were likely scum on my list; with no confirmed town supporting actions until after they died.
I had hoped to use one for whatever ultimate plan Storr had in... Store to solve the game initially, but that of course never panned out.

I'd say IB has a fair shot at being Mafia too as I've been saying. Past that, you'll find out if I run out of suspects to vote.
Like I said, vocalizing too much is what lets scum pick and choose.

[Iron Butterfly]

I use my powers for those I trust, the inventors were likely scum on my list; with no confirmed town supporting actions until after they died.
I had hoped to use one for whatever ultimate plan Storr had in... Store to solve the game initially, but that of course never panned out.

I'd say IB has a fair shot at being Mafia too as I've been saying. Past that, you'll find out if I run out of suspects to vote.
Like I said, vocalizing too much is what lets scum pick and choose.

Funny in the past you never put fourth the notion I was mafia. You were sure I was second cult.

The problem I have with inactivity is that people rationalize it as an excuse not to say anything because they believe there is nothing to say, which is BS. What their inactivity does is not leave a record or a minimal record at best to judge from. I do not expect anyone to go "Ding I am on" but I do expect participation in a game they voluntarily joined. Posting once every several days a sentence or two helps absolutely no one.

You had a fairly convincing case on Mets aside from that you have really offered nothing over the last 133 pages or so.

You think I am scum? Fine make a case, say why.

[PLAYER57832]

Yeah, I don't really get the "they are absent so obviously scum" reasoning, either, but apparently that is how the game works. That said, it is the holidays.

Teh way I unnerstan it, frum limited eggsperiense, just like you, is dis: Sumwun cood sertanly have valid RL reesons fer not having time fer teh game, but dey cood orso be "scummarining" - staying qwiet so as to avoid ansering dificolt qwestjuns about how dey used there powers (if eny), or how dey voted etc. Wun way to find scum is to catch dem out in a lie by asking teh hard qwestjuns, and wen tings get a bit tite, sum Mafia will try to avoid ansering by going qwiet.

So, yeh, it's not definitely alinement-indickative, but it CAN look suspishus.

Then we have playas like yerself, who reelize dey will scummy and post littul nuttink posts about how dey have sum idees about scum but arnt reddy to share dem yet, and stuff like dat. Phoning it in, if you will.

The only real ideas I have had have been pretty roundly either proven false (wing, IB, etc.) or dismissed (assorted others). At one point, I thought mets was scum. Now I still have questions about you, but with time short, I think we need to agree. I don't have anything to add at this point other than guesses and I don't think my guesses are as trustworthy as those of other more experienced players, players with better track records per the majority views (or at least won't be perceived as less trustworthy might be a better way to put it)

So, basically, I am now just popping in to see if there is anyone settled for a vote and that's about it.

[PLAYER57832]

mmk. I don't know what you want me to say.

You tink Mets is scum - fair enuff, you mite well be rite their. How about thorts on other Mafia?

Orso, I dont qwite get why you dident use yore claimed power to support teh inventers frum N3 until dey died? OIr revived-Marashu on N3/N4? (fare enuff if you thort revived-Marashu was prob scum - so did I and a few others).Who were you saving yer powers up fer? Wit Mafia systematicly killing our power rolls, it wood have made sense to use dem up wile sum of those power rolls were still around. Instead, you held off and now yer powers are ormost useless - teh wun known roll you can support now is Mets, but you wont do it becorse you tink he is scum.

It dozent look like a super-Towny use of yer powers, ortho suporting PTLowe on N2 was sound...if dat's wot reely hapened. Conveenently, we dident get to see if PTLowe's N2 investimagashun got blokked or not.

Question, which is likely irrelevant at this point.... if a revived player reverses alignment, then why not revive a known scum? Or is it not that certain?

[CatchersMitt14]

Haven't seen an argument yet today to change my mind.

vote slash

[CatchersMitt14]

Crap, I'm tired and comfullery forgot. Tkae this post as an edit to the prior.

Havken't seen an argment yet today to changesk my mind.

vote slash

[AladdinSane]

Question, which is likely irrelevant at this point.... if a revived player reverses alignment, then why not revive a known scum? Or is it not that certain?

I'm not shore wear you were wile teh rest of us were playing teh game, but yes, this was discust at grate length - it was unsertan weather sumwun revived wood keep there same alinement, or change. The Mods can do it eether way.

[WingCmdr Ginkapo]

Vote Count

Mets (2) - Mitch, /
/ (2) - Aladdin, Catchers

Deadline - 05/04/16 - 13:00 CC time, 6 to lynch

[rizky_biznezz]

Been trying to look at relationships between ppl to try and pick out who I think is a feasible pair... but there is just so much to go thru and still a lot of ppl so haven't got very far with that