President Obama's Legacy

[tzor]

And Christianity is a religion of peace?

Effectively, yes it is. Not all Christians practiced the tenants of Christianity, especially those written in its sacred books, however.

Ironically, the same can be said of Islam. These people, on the other hand, are generally referred to as "moderates." They tend to be killed by the fundamentalists of the "religion."

[Phatscotty]

And Christianity is a religion of peace? Scotty, if people didn't see your lips move, I'm sure they be convinced you had just farted. Obama's foreign policy legacy has been almost as bad as the Bush family's, but his domestic legacy is one of extraordinary success. There are just too many pasty assed good ol' boys can't face it that an uppity n*ggra got into the White House and exposed them for the bile driveling morons they are.

It doesn't matter what Christianity is or isn't. Christianity has nothing to do with this. Neither does Bush.

[Phatscotty]

If he's that awesome then how come you're having to find scapegoats for why the economy performed the way it has under his leadership?

This is the reality of American politics the last 7 years, my dear ignorant friend.

Yup, 7 years of Obama being brilliant. There's no evidence of this brilliance.

+10 DarkBux

Obama's college records are STILL sealed

[Phatscotty]

100% by his own doing, P-BO's legacy is already cemented and he will go down in history as the president who constantly repeated 'Islam is a religion of peace'. Of course, this is a message most Christians strive to be remembered for....

You're so right! Why doesn't Obama get that Muslims are evil?

Calling P-BO out for kissing too much ass doesn't automatically mean 'Muslims are evil' No need to demagogue

[tzor]

It doesn't matter what Christianity is or isn't. Christianity has nothing to do with this. Neither does Bush.

I agree with the former. As for the later ... that's a bit complicated.

I think it's important to distinguish "HW" from "W" (in other words Bush the elder and Bush the junior). Obama has a general hands off approach, and a lot of bullshit on the foreign affairs side has to do with side effects from the side deals of Secretary Clinton. There is a strange and really odd relationship between the Bush dynasty and the Clinton dynasty, and a lot of it has to do back in the Reagan administration when Bush was VP and Clinton was Governor. It involved cocaine and "Slick WIllie" did have to go to rehab at one point to get rid of his addiction.

Ironically this trail involves the younger son Jeb more than it did the older Son George.

Consider Benghazi, for a moment, the real cause of the disaster may have been the fact that significant donors to the Clinton Foundation wanted to be able to set up hospital ships to treat victims of war, and you can't treat victims if there is no war. The ambassador may have been negotiating weapons deals to insurgents in order to continue to foment violence in the region resulting in victims for such hospitals to treat.

The same is true for our Russian relations and nuclear mining companies in Canada who were also major Clinton Foundation supporters.

[tzor]

You're so right! Why doesn't Obama get that Muslims are evil? Just look at the way he constantly defends them, refers to them as our friends, calls them peaceful, says they're the same as us, etc.:

First of all, they aren't "evil." (But that is a completely different definition problem.) Obama was raised among Muslims and even attended a Muslin school. This tends to put blinders on a person. There is a logical scientific term for that, but I won't bother using it at this point. He loves to throw down the basic talking points. This is because he is either unaware of the real history between Islam and Christianity (that's fine, a lot of Christians don't know it either based on propaganda from the reformation and age of enlightenment that tended to remake history to make the past seem evil and the present good) or by that same cognitive dissonance (oops I used the technical term ... sorry about that) heard it and dismissed it out of hand.

[degaston]

You're so right! Why doesn't Obama get that Muslims are evil? Just look at the way he constantly defends them, refers to them as our friends, calls them peaceful, says they're the same as us, etc.:

First of all, they aren't "evil." (But that is a completely different definition problem.) Obama was raised among Muslims and even attended a Muslin school. This tends to put blinders on a person. There is a logical scientific term for that, but I won't bother using it at this point. He loves to throw down the basic talking points. This is because he is either unaware of the real history between Islam and Christianity (that's fine, a lot of Christians don't know it either based on propaganda from the reformation and age of enlightenment that tended to remake history to make the past seem evil and the present good) or by that same cognitive dissonance (oops I used the technical term ... sorry about that) heard it and dismissed it out of hand.

I think you didn't read the bottom of my post. The whole thing was sarcasm. This thread was started by PS complaining about something that W did all the time, but now that a black guy is saying it, he's cemented his legacy as a Muslim apologist. I'm just pointing out the hypocrisy.

[tzor]

I think you didn't read the bottom of my post. The whole thing was sarcasm. This thread was started by PS complaining about something that W did all the time, but now that a black guy is saying it, he's cemented his legacy as a Muslim apologist. I'm just pointing out the hypocrisy.

W didn't say that "all the time" ... what he said was significantly different. And he did get some modest degree of push back on that as well. There was never a question of "refugees" but there was a considerable argument against a Mosque near "Ground Zero." (This is a typical Islamic idea to top a victory with the building of a Mosque, and it's not unique to them ... a lot of ancient churches were built from Greek or Roman temples.)

The problem with the left's use of "W" is that the Bush dynasty is not that far removed from the Clinton dynasty. Establishment is establishment no matter what technical "party" is finds itself in.

[The Bison King]

I haven't been on the forums for years, and I thought I'd just pop in to see what things were like... Happy to see Scotty is still a hate filled twat whose only capable of parroting his conservative news sources.

ok bye.

[notyou2]

I haven't been on the forums for years, and I thought I'd just pop in to see what things were like... Happy to see Scotty is still a hate filled twat whose only capable of parroting his conservative news sources.

ok bye.

Quelle surprise.

See you in 2018

[muy_thaiguy]

I haven't been on the forums for years, and I thought I'd just pop in to see what things were like... Happy to see Scotty is still a hate filled twat whose only capable of parroting his conservative news sources.

ok bye.

Indeed, somethings never change.

[Phatscotty]

I haven't been on the forums for years, and I thought I'd just pop in to see what things were like... Happy to see Scotty is still a hate filled twat whose only capable of parroting his conservative news sources.

ok bye.

I have nothing to do with the truth being observed. Glad to see you still can't take a point. Glad to see you still think it matters who is observing the truth and that somehow because it's me observing observing can make the truth less true. Glad to see you still sharpen my points with your mindless blather.

[The Bison King]

I haven't been on the forums for years, and I thought I'd just pop in to see what things were like... Happy to see Scotty is still a hate filled twat whose only capable of parroting his conservative news sources.

ok bye.

I have nothing to do with the truth being observed. Glad to see you still can't take a point. Glad to see you still think it matters who is observing the truth and that somehow because it's me observing observing can make the truth less true. Glad to see you still sharpen my points with your mindless blather.

So like... you are a truth observer? You're perception is completely objective? Somehow you are the only person on this planet who is capable of observing reality through no filters of your own experience and bias? That's pretty impressive Scotty! How did you come across this super power? Were you bit by a radioactive Rush Limbaugh?

[Bernie Sanders]

I haven't been on the forums for years, and I thought I'd just pop in to see what things were like... Happy to see Scotty is still a hate filled twat whose only capable of parroting his conservative news sources.

ok bye.

I have nothing to do with the truth being observed. Glad to see you still can't take a point. Glad to see you still think it matters who is observing the truth and that somehow because it's me observing observing can make the truth less true. Glad to see you still sharpen my points with your mindless blather.

So like... you are a truth observer? You're perception is completely objective? Somehow you are the only person on this planet who is capable of observing reality through no filters of your own experience and bias? That's pretty impressive Scotty! How did you come across this super power? Were you bit by a radioactive Rush Limbaugh?

[thegreekdog]

Sorry, I'm just catching up. Why is it bad that President Obama says Islam is a religion of peace?

[Dukasaur]

Sorry, I'm just catching up. Why is it bad that President Obama says Islam is a religion of peace?

Wow! Welcome back!

[degaston]

Sorry, I'm just catching up. Why is it bad that President Obama says Islam is a religion of peace?

Because he's black, obviously. I don't think PS started a thread like this for George W.

[muy_thaiguy]

Sorry, I'm just catching up. Why is it bad that President Obama says Islam is a religion of peace?

Because Scotty has become a disciple of Trump. Speaking of Trump;
http://gawker.com/donald-trump-plans-to ... 1743547196
A certain Austrian back in 1930s Germany thought that was a good idea for Jews.

[thegreekdog]

I mean those are entertaining explanations, but I probably need PS to weigh in here. Let's pretend that PS is concerned less with the name of the president, his educational background, his religion, and his fucking report card. Let's pretend PS is concerned that the president has not directed enough killing of Muslims, even though he's done some combination of the following things:

- Killed people with drones.
- Killed people with other weapons.
- Helped selective groups of people kill people.
- Prosecute a war (that he said he would get us out of).
- Continued to operate a prison for suspected terrorists.

What else does he need to do? The only difference between President Obama and President Bush 2 with respect to foreign policy vis-a-vis Muslims seems to be one war that President Bush 2 prosecuted against what I believe was a non-religious government. Oh, and that President Obama makes sure we spy on more people.

[Bernie Sanders]

Sorry, I'm just catching up. Why is it bad that President Obama says Islam is a religion of peace?

Because Scotty has become a disciple of Trump. Speaking of Trump;
http://gawker.com/donald-trump-plans-to ... 1743547196
A certain Austrian back in 1930s Germany thought that was a good idea for Jews.

Trump can steal some ideas from the master race and get those Muslims identified properly in the U.S.

[Phatscotty]

I think you didn't read the bottom of my post. The whole thing was sarcasm. This thread was started by PS complaining about something that W did all the time, but now that a black guy is saying it, he's cemented his legacy as a Muslim apologist. I'm just pointing out the hypocrisy.

W didn't say that "all the time" ...

I hope the bottom part was sarcasm too

[Phatscotty]

I haven't been on the forums for years, and I thought I'd just pop in to see what things were like... Happy to see Scotty is still a hate filled twat whose only capable of parroting his conservative news sources.

ok bye.

I have nothing to do with the truth being observed. Glad to see you still can't take a point. Glad to see you still think it matters who is observing the truth and that somehow because it's me observing observing can make the truth less true. Glad to see you still sharpen my points with your mindless blather.

So like... you are a truth observer? You're perception is completely objective? Somehow you are the only person on this planet who is capable of observing reality through no filters of your own experience and bias? That's pretty impressive Scotty! How did you come across this super power? Were you bit by a radioactive Rush Limbaugh?

In this case, yes. all one needs are eyes and ears. The part about pretending Obama doesn't say it ALL THE TIME just shows you are kidding yourself

[thegreekdog]

I haven't been on the forums for years, and I thought I'd just pop in to see what things were like... Happy to see Scotty is still a hate filled twat whose only capable of parroting his conservative news sources.

ok bye.

I have nothing to do with the truth being observed. Glad to see you still can't take a point. Glad to see you still think it matters who is observing the truth and that somehow because it's me observing observing can make the truth less true. Glad to see you still sharpen my points with your mindless blather.

So like... you are a truth observer? You're perception is completely objective? Somehow you are the only person on this planet who is capable of observing reality through no filters of your own experience and bias? That's pretty impressive Scotty! How did you come across this super power? Were you bit by a radioactive Rush Limbaugh?

In this case, yes. all one needs are eyes and ears. The part about pretending Obama doesn't say it ALL THE TIME just shows you are kidding yourself

See above. If he says it all the time, his actions relative to being instrumental in killing them seems to make that he calls Islam a religion of peace irrelevant.

[The Bison King]

I haven't been on the forums for years, and I thought I'd just pop in to see what things were like... Happy to see Scotty is still a hate filled twat whose only capable of parroting his conservative news sources.

ok bye.

I have nothing to do with the truth being observed. Glad to see you still can't take a point. Glad to see you still think it matters who is observing the truth and that somehow because it's me observing observing can make the truth less true. Glad to see you still sharpen my points with your mindless blather.

So like... you are a truth observer? You're perception is completely objective? Somehow you are the only person on this planet who is capable of observing reality through no filters of your own experience and bias? That's pretty impressive Scotty! How did you come across this super power? Were you bit by a radioactive Rush Limbaugh?

In this case, yes. all one needs are eyes and ears. The part about pretending Obama doesn't say it ALL THE TIME just shows you are kidding yourself

First of all you're assuming we should care that he say's this all the time. I don't. He needs to say it all the time to push against the constant wave of Islamaphobia, that would run rampant, without people like him reminding us that this is not and should not be a battle of religious ideologies. So it's a good thing we have a commander in chief who doesn't want to childishly view our current conflicts through the lense of religious zeal.

Second of all, how does saying it "ALL THE TIME" make it his legacy? I say "God I love cheese" ALL THE TIME, that doesn't make it my legacy. Bill Clinton said "My fellow Americans" ALL THE TIME, and that didn't become his legacy. Bill Cosby said "Kids say the darndest things" ALL THE TIME, and I really doubt that's going to become his legacy. People are judged on who they are and what they did, rarely on some thing they said a bunch. Do you really think in 50/100 years the history books are going to read "President Obama, was well known for saying Islam is the religion of peace... oh yeah and also he was like the first black president or something idk"

[Phatscotty]

of course we shouldn't care..... until a Republican says something about God or Islam, then everybody can care again.