[Official]Adventure time mafia:MAFIA WIN!

[WingCmdr Ginkapo]

Can IB not sub straight in for SKW?

As an observer I spent D1 wondering how exactly the D1 play was so awful all round. Looking through the player list I dont find this that surprising, what I do find odd is that Streaker didnt step up to lead the game at all. So Streaker what were you doing all D1?

That said, I was pleasantly surprised to see mafia lynched. I'm unclear as to how exactly that happened however. What I have noticed reading through, is that Kratos and Tim seemed to be trying to avoid a Dakky lynch by voting Mitch instead. So FOS on them. I dont see much to be learnt from Dakky's post now we know his alignment to be honest.

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[the white rose]

well first, well done town, we got off to a great start.

..and there are clues as to who his partners are.

For me, it is crystal clear that streaker must be scum.

look at the evidence.....he voted dakky early on when there was no pressure on him, then as the pressure built he could hardly justify unvoting without giving away his allegiance to him. He needed a good reason.

within 2 minutes of dakky's claim

Fp'd. Seems legit

Enough time left for next one.

unvote vote cyan

enough evidence for him finally to get off his back and try to turn the attention to someone else.

He claimed that dakky's claim was legit?

but was it?

first dakky refused to claim, claiming that if he did he would be night killed. When finally he did claim, his only role seemed to be that he would die should finn was to die.

Now, if that claim was true, why on earth would it cause him to be in danger of a night kill?

On the contrary, I would have thought that scum would keep him alive, then if they tried to kill say mitch and dakky died, they would know mitch was finn.

His reasoning that he would be night killed for this role is ludricous, had he have claimed cop, then maybe...but he didn't.

that been said, streaker an experienced player should have seen that straight away and dismissed the claim, but he didn't, he pounced on it as finally an excuse to get off his scum mates back.

Would it have worked? maybe....but presumably dakky was the victim of a double vote....and therefore streaker was too late in unvoting.

Its true that i also unvoted him, but that was only to stop scum from potentially quick hammering a townie. While the mod was writing the lynch scene i was coming to the conclusion that this claim of dakky's was bullshit, and was about to post that putting my vote back on him, but the mod beat me to it and after posting the lynch scene i was unable to post as it was n1.

vote streaker

my D1 suspicions of mitch have now been completely lifted, it was he that really got the dakky BW rolling on if he were defending ib, well he turned out to be town.

Ragion I am surprised to see him alive today after the way he pushed dakky, but if he is scum he is playing a very devious game, i feel strong town.

kevi, again i feel town, sure he has not posted which is scummy, but he has asked to be replaced, which i would have thought he is more likely to do if he were a vt.

PT, fos on him, no real input, a quiet vote on an outsider, leaning scum, but it was significant that he did not put mitch to l-1

cyan, leaning town now, but only cos streaker was trying to put him up as an alternative lynch to mitch.

[the white rose]

Have no clue whatsoever about the flavour so I'm not reading anything into that.

So being lynched without claiming helps town?

If I say my role, I'll be night killed tonight and the town will lose an important role.
If I don't, there is a chance you will not lynch me and there is a chance mafia has another target.

this statement was so inconsistent with his subsequent claim, streaker of all people should have been able to pick up on that

[Iron Butterfly]

Cant say I did not see that coming. Go Town!!

[madmitch]

white rose is town ! I know for sure ,so I will his lead VOTE STREAKER

[Whatsausage]

Alrighty, one down

white rose is town ! I know for sure ,so I will his lead VOTE STREAKER

FOS mitch for blatant softclaim when it adds nothing and wasn't called for at all. Even if a player is town that doesn't mean all their suspicions will be correct.

@twr, you say that you also unvoted to prevent scum quickhammering a town, but how would that be the case after streaker already unvoted?

WCG makes some good points in his post, I think it's likely that one of those two is scum trying to save their partner, but the rest of the scum were likely either AWOL or voting for dakky to create distance. Of course it is possible that dakky, mitch, and streaker are all scum and streaker was scrambling with two scum the main targets. I tend to lean against this though.

[the white rose]

my unvote was made before i realised that streaker had already unvoted.

he unvoted at 12.06, i unvoted at 12.09 after first reading dakky's claim.

[WingCmdr Ginkapo]

FOS mitch

Of course it is possible that dakky, mitch, and streaker are all scum and streaker was scrambling with two scum the main targets. I tend to lean against this though.

So you believe Streaker to be town?

[Endgame422]

*Pixar* replaces subtleknifewield
Official Vote count
Streaker(2)-the white rose,madmitch
With 11 alive it takes 6 to lynch
Deadline is November the 6th

[*Pixar*]

okay I'm here does someone want to give me an update on whats going on so far, or I can read this over tomorrow or friday

[madmitch]

glad to have you here Pixar,best for you to read it over,not much happened on day one. tell us what you think.

[TimWoodbury]

so mitch soft claimed more or less out of nowhere for more or less no reason at all otehr then to put white rose over as a townie, i think lynch mitch and if he turns skum then lynch rose if its town then w go for streaker or we can do streaker today and if he turns town do mitch then rose

[Streaker]

well first, well done town, we got off to a great start.

..and there are clues as to who his partners are.

For me, it is crystal clear that streaker must be scum. Ok honey

look at the evidence.....he voted dakky early on when there was no pressure on him, then as the pressure built he could hardly justify unvoting without giving away his allegiance to him. He needed a good reason.

What you are actually saying here is that I am (partially) responsible for getting the wagon going that got a scum lynched. Don't thank me, it's my job.

within 2 minutes of dakky's claim Not relevant

Fp'd. Seems legit

Enough time left for next one.

unvote vote cyan

enough evidence for him finally to get off his back and try to turn the attention to someone else. What evidence? Do you honestly think that I, as mafia, would try to derail that wagon at that ime?

He claimed that dakky's claim was legit? You conveniently miss the part where I first made reference to another game, regarding fake claims. If you would have read it, it said I didn't by his first claim.

but was it? You are judging my allignment on a wrong read? Ok honey

first dakky refused to claim, claiming that if he did he would be night killed. When finally he did claim, his only role seemed to be that he would die should finn was to die. And I was one of the main pushers for him to claim. Don't thank me, it's my job.

Now, if that claim was true, why on earth would it cause him to be in danger of a night kill? Because it effectively means he is a confirmed town with a power role.

On the contrary, I would have thought that scum would keep him alive, then if they tried to kill say mitch and dakky died, they would know mitch was finn. Not relevant.

His reasoning that he would be night killed for this role is ludricous, had he have claimed cop, then maybe...but he didn't. Looks like we don't agree.

that been said, streaker an experienced player should have seen that straight away and dismissed the claim, but he didn't, he pounced on it as finally an excuse to get off his scum mates back. Actually I did dismiss his claim first.

Would it have worked? maybe....but presumably dakky was the victim of a double vote....and therefore streaker was too late in unvoting. Now, if I remember correctly, YOU unvoted him also

Its true that i also unvoted him, but that was only to stop scum from potentially quick hammering a townie. While the mod was writing the lynch scene i was coming to the conclusion that this claim of dakky's was bullshit, and was about to post that putting my vote back on him, but the mod beat me to it and after posting the lynch scene i was unable to post as it was n1.

And this is where THE WHITE ROSE messes up. 'Unvoting to stop scum from potentially quickhammering a townie, while at the same time it was THAT vote that put dakky at L-1 (and effectively hammering, but rose didn't know that he/she accidently hammered a partner in crime.

vote streaker

my D1 suspicions of mitch have now been completely lifted, it was he that really got the dakky BW rolling on if he were defending ib, well he turned out to be town. Protecting mitch now, really?

Ragion I am surprised to see him alive today after the way he pushed dakky, but if he is scum he is playing a very devious game, i feel strong town. This post reeks of scum.

kevi, again i feel town, sure he has not posted which is scummy, but he has asked to be replaced, which i would have thought he is more likely to do if he were a vt. Town reading someone who made NOT A SINGLE POST.

PT, fos on him, no real input, a quiet vote on an outsider, leaning scum, but it was significant that he did not put mitch to l-1

cyan, leaning town now, but only cos streaker was trying to put him up as an alternative lynch to mitch.

This is a laughable post, at best.
For easy reading, I put my responses in colour behind the quotes above.

Honestly, never had such an easy read as this one.
Also her reading mitch is town is crazy, at least for the reasons provided. She didn't even pick up on the fact that mitch is the cop.

Vote the white rose

[Streaker]

Can IB not sub straight in for SKW?

As an observer I spent D1 wondering how exactly the D1 play was so awful all round. Looking through the player list I dont find this that surprising, what I do find odd is that Streaker didnt step up to lead the game at all. So Streaker what were you doing all D1?

That said, I was pleasantly surprised to see mafia lynched. I'm unclear as to how exactly that happened however. What I have noticed reading through, is that Kratos and Tim seemed to be trying to avoid a Dakky lynch by voting Mitch instead. So FOS on them. I dont see much to be learnt from Dakky's post now we know his alignment to be honest.

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Do you expect me to lead all games, on Day 1? It hasn't worked out very well last few games for me. May not have been as active as usual, but what I did was help get the dakky lynch started. IB called dakky's slip out, and I jumped on it (together with mitch):

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This also links back to white rose, dakky basicly sets up his vote to unvote later on. Happens to be on rose.

Just reread, looks like mitch copped rose and got town? There are options of getting skewed results, like godfather come to mind.

@mitch, look at my posts and play. Do you honestly think I am mafia?

@wing, what do you think of rose's case on me?

Unvote.

Everyone, once you all realise I'm the wrong target today, we can go have a look at cyaneeter.

[WingCmdr Ginkapo]

@Streaker - Whilst I agree that White Roses post is 90% WIFOM, and even worse hindsight WIFOM. What part of Mitchs soft claim was difficult to understand? Why are you voting White Rose? (OK fp'd it appears you have seen the broken logic there) To answer your question, yes I expect you to lead games, even if it goes badly for you, it generates evidence to discuss D2, which is beneficial for town. In this game we have pretty much nothing to go on, sure we got a mafia lynch, but you should rightly know that that was very lucky. I dont give you much town credit for your "push" on Dakky as you barely pushed, but unlike White Rose i see no reason why your play makes you crystal clear scum.

@Tim - How many games have you played now where town players have soft claimed for no reason? If you want to build a case against Mitch then please do so, but his soft claim alone is not enough.

[Streaker]

Leading is great and all, but let's look at the facts here. I usually jump on the first scummy thing I see. There was almost no content being generated, and I just didn't feel like forcing it. That's not my ball game.

1. Madmitch
2. Ptlowe
3. Streaker
4. TimWoodbury
5. Dakky21-Ice king mafia roleblocker lynched D1
6. Whatsausage?
7. The white rose
8. SubtleknifewieldReplaced by Pixar D2
9. KeviReplaced by Wing N1
10. Kratos644
11. Joetalk-Replaced by IB D1Hot dog princess Vanilla TownieKilled N1
12. Cyaniteer
13. Ragian

Out of 13 players, we barely got 9 pages (more like 8.5) of discussion.
13 players, of which Kevi, cyaniteer, and Joetalk were completely inactive. I mean, 3 replacements by the start of D2? That says it all.

I don't like how you are trying to hold me responsible for that. Almost feels like a coordinated manouvre to come out of N1 and attack me here. Not sure. I can see why you call me out for not leading, but would expect you to be more over rose's post then you did. We'll see how this evolves, eh.

Vote cyaniteer. My case was presented yesterday, he has yet failed to respond, or provide any relative conversation to this game. Never unvoted his joke vote, and didn't contribute anything at all to a dakky lynch.

[Streaker]

I can't help but feel a scum vibe about white rose, despite mitch's claim.

So much WIFOM yesterday, that huge post today... The shenanigans with putting dakky at L-1 but unvoting and then saying 'I would have voted again but was fp'd by the mod...'. It just doesn't add up at all.

If I am to die today, please don't consider rose as confirmed town just because of mitch's claim. Just don't.

[Ragian]

I'm still trying to get used to the fact that no one in this forum knows how to type my name.

Vanity aside, let's get on with this.

It's not a big surprise that EYEB was lynched because a) he's a good player and b) he was instrumental in catching dakky (who was probably drunk when he slipped).

Saying that straeker is scum, as the whate ruse does, is a stretch to me. Not only because I feel that straeker would know to distance himself from a partner going down, but also because straeker clearly referenced the Harry Potter game where scum had been given flavour fake claims. (I claimed Dumbledore or whatever his name is. The guy with the beard. The long beard. The white beard. f*ck it.)

I think Tam's post is suspicious. Surely match is claiming cop as straeker points out. That he's a fool about it isn't indicative about his alignment. I've played with loads of players that are so keen on helping that they jump their respective guns. The suggestion that we lynch match in order to see if the whate ruse is scum is kind of a gamble at this stage. I'm keeping an eye on him.

However, I wanted this yesterday. Now, I want it more: Vote cyan Did nothing yesterday. I think he's a great candidate for a first claim of today. Tam would be my second choice.

@Pax, read it all. See what you think. Nice to have a fellow TNC'er to mess up the game

...also, the clever players will see that I've misspelled all names (apart from the vote one) because I'm hoping that will make everyone type my name correctly. As if ti's important.

FP'ed by straeker twice. STOP POSTING!

[the white rose]

look at the evidence.....he voted dakky early on when there was no pressure on him, then as the pressure built he could hardly justify unvoting without giving away his allegiance to him. He needed a good reason.

What you are actually saying here is that I am (partially) responsible for getting the wagon going that got a scum lynched. Don't thank me, it's my job.

no, what i am saying is you voted dakky early on, a standard practice for scum to deflect suspicion from themselves, what you did not forecast is that 5 days later he would become a popular vote, and as soon as he got popular it needed a good excuse to unvote him, and the only excuse you could get was a ludicrous claim that you immediately accepted and tried to move suspicion to someone else



within 2 minutes of dakky's claim Not relevant

Fp'd. Seems legit

Enough time left for next one.

unvote vote cyan

enough evidence for him finally to get off his back and try to turn the attention to someone else. What evidence? Do you honestly think that I, as mafia, would try to derail that wagon at that ime?

are you now suggesting that trying to deflect suspicion from an obvious scum claim is the action of a townie?....oh please, i may be new at this game but i am certainly not that stupid

first dakky refused to claim, claiming that if he did he would be night killed. When finally he did claim, his only role seemed to be that he would die should finn was to die. And I was one of the main pushers for him to claim. Don't thank me, it's my job.

of course you were, it was the only way you could reasonably unvote him and save your mates ass

Now, if that claim was true, why on earth would it cause him to be in danger of a night kill? Because it effectively means he is a confirmed town with a power role.

a power role? scum of course know all the players who are town, why on earth would they choose to night kill someone whose only role is to die instead of someone else, when they could kill another townie who might turn out to be doc, cop, roleblocker or even double voter, all of whom are far more dangerous than jake the dog would have been

On the contrary, I would have thought that scum would keep him alive, then if they tried to kill say mitch and dakky died, they would know mitch was finn. Not relevant. will allow others to judge on this

His reasoning that he would be night killed for this role is ludricous, had he have claimed cop, then maybe...but he didn't. Looks like we don't agree. scum and town rarely agree

Its true that i also unvoted him, but that was only to stop scum from potentially quick hammering a townie. While the mod was writing the lynch scene i was coming to the conclusion that this claim of dakky's was bullshit, and was about to post that putting my vote back on him, but the mod beat me to it and after posting the lynch scene i was unable to post as it was n1.

And this is where THE WHITE ROSE messes up. 'Unvoting to stop scum from potentially quickhammering a townie, while at the same time it was THAT vote that put dakky at L-1 (and effectively hammering, but rose didn't know that he/she accidently hammered a partner in crime. I moved my vote from mitch to dakky because i did not buy his refusal to claim properly, a perfectly legitimate town action, which resulted in us killing one of your mates.


my D1 suspicions of mitch have now been completely lifted, it was he that really got the dakky BW rolling on if he were defending ib, well he turned out to be town. Protecting mitch now, really? my D1 suspicions of mitch were based around his defending ib, as ib was night killed as town, my suspicion of him and ib being scum mates was obviously wrong

PT, fos on him, no real input, a quiet vote on an outsider, leaning scum, but it was significant that he did not put mitch to l-1

cyan, leaning town now, but only cos streaker was trying to put him up as an alternative lynch to mitch.

This is a laughable post, at best.
For easy reading, I put my responses in colour behind the quotes above.

a desperate effort to clear your name that is fooling no one

Honestly, never had such an easy read as this one.
Also her reading mitch is town is crazy, at least for the reasons provided. She didn't even pick up on the fact that mitch is the cop.haven't mentioned this cos i really cannot work out why he would soft claim.....maybe he is scum and trying to get me lynched....though if he is believed to be scum he is more likely to be lynched himself

Vote the white rose

staggers back in amazement, now that was a surprise....NOT

responses in blue for clarification

[Streaker]

I will try and filter out the most important information from your case on me, so we can discuss the core. Feel free to add points or remove them, white rose, if you do not agree:

-You think I am scum because my vote on dakky was one of the first ones on the wagon.
-Second, you think I am scum because I did not hesitate at all before unvoting him.

This basicly covers the case. There is more to it, but this is the core of the matter.

The first is truly a miserable reason. I won't even bother defending that further. Attacking someone because they were 'too soon' on board of a lynch wagon? Just no. The only place where scum can actually hide, is in the center of the wagon. Just more WIFOM.

The second reason, however, I can relate to. Unvoting at the end of the day, with a lynch almost complete, that turns out to be a scum lynch, is very suspicious. Fact is, we BOTH did that. You calling me out for it, is simply hypocrit. Give whatever reason you like for it, fact stands. It's also completely untrue that I did not hesitate, read Ragian's (I got this right, right?) post above for confirmation.

So, white rose, I hope you can agree I am obviously not the best target for today and hope you can find me in my case on cyaniteer

[the white rose]

Straeker is scum, as the whate ruse does, is a stretch to me. Not only because I feel that straeker would know to distance himself from a partner going down, but also because straeker clearly referenced the Harry Potter game where scum had been given flavour fake claims. (I claimed Dumbledore or whatever his name is. The guy with the beard. The long beard. The white beard. f*ck it.)

yes, perhaps i should not have said crystal clear, but it is good evidence, and i cannot see stronger evidence elsewhere.

I think Tam's post is suspicious. Surely match is claiming cop as straeker points out. That he's a fool about it isn't indicative about his alignment. I've played with loads of players that are so keen on helping that they jump their respective guns. The suggestion that we lynch match in order to see if the whate ruse is scum is kind of a gamble at this stage. I'm keeping an eye on him.

agreed, in fact did tim not soft claim cop in the last game, he was lynched for it and did indeed flip cop.

However, I wanted this yesterday. Now, I want it more: Vote cyan Did nothing yesterday. I think he's a great candidate for a first claim of today. Tam would be my second choice.

yep. but the danger of getting him to l-1 in order to claim is dangerous with an undisclosed double voter around. Cyan, save us all the trouble and claim now.

[the white rose]

I will try and filter out the most important information from your case on me, so we can discuss the core. Feel free to add points or remove them, white rose, if you do not agree:

-You think I am scum because my vote on dakky was one of the first ones on the wagon.
-Second, you think I am scum because I did not hesitate at all before unvoting him.

This basicly covers the case. There is more to it, but this is the core of the matter.

The first is truly a miserable reason. I won't even bother defending that further. Attacking someone because they were 'too soon' on board of a lynch wagon? Just no. The only place where scum can actually hide, is in the center of the wagon. Just more WIFOM.

The second reason, however, I can relate to. Unvoting at the end of the day, with a lynch almost complete, that turns out to be a scum lynch, is very suspicious. Fact is, we BOTH did that. You calling me out for it, is simply hypocrit. Give whatever reason you like for it, fact stands. It's also completely untrue that I did not hesitate, read Ragian's (I got this right, right?) post above for confirmation.

So, white rose, I hope you can agree I am obviously not the best target for today and hope you can find me in my case on cyaniteer

were you not such an experienced player I would not be on your case so much.

but the key to it all is the way you accepted dakky's claim at l-1. This claim, even to my inexperience was ludicrous. How could it be even described as a pr? this would never in a million years mean that he would be night killed, in preference to scum trying to kill the cop for example.....and yet, you, an experienced player accepted the claim as legit and even now claim that it is reasonable to assume that he would indeed have been night killed for being jake the dog, whose only role was to die in the place of finn? just why would this be so dangerous to scum? to claim they would lynch him as a confirmed townie is again ludricous, his claim could never be confirmed, scum are much more likely to go cop hunting at night.....and yet you as an experienced player believed it all hunk line and sinker.....no, sorry don't buy that.

when i saw the claim, i unvoted whilst i considered it, just in case it was true. I read through all his posts and within a couple of minutes realised that it was bullshit....it took me 2 minutes to come to that conclusion, you as an experienced player would have seen that immediately, and yet knowing it was a false claim, you tried to turn the attention away from him to cyan....why? if you were town, you should have been convinced at this stage that we were lynching scum....so why try to bring cyan into the limelight instead? only way this makes sense is if either you are an idiot or you are scum.....

[Streaker]

Ok, so you confirm to narrow down the core of your case to me believing his claim.

Here is my reasoning behind my unvote:

-It fits the flavour. Literally a 'guard dog' that will sacrifice himself for his human boss/owner/friend.
-It has been here in the past, such a role.
-The one he is protecting is the flavourwise-main character. If someone is out there protecting said main character, mafia would want to get rid of him.
-There was time left for another claim, and I mentioned way before that I wanted to look at cyaniteer.


So instead of letting the day pass by, I undertook action to get more information out of it.

A WIFOM argument about mafia targeting or not targeting said power, cannot be linked to my allignment as you are suggesting is possible. It's not an argument.

Another thing, do you think every town player on the lynch was convinced of dakky's guilt? That's just bullshit. I had my doubts, hence the switch.

[WingCmdr Ginkapo]

@Streaker - The argument is - You are experienced enough to have known better. Its complete WIFOM and to be honest requires evidence of similar situations.

@TWR - There are always multiple possibilities to peoples actions. Instead of posting a massive argument that is based on the assumption that they did what you thought they did aka Wifom, consider asking pertinent questions to establish their reasoning for their actions first and force a slip up.

@Rage - Mistyping names was amusing the first time in your post, please stop.

@All - When voting, consider what information you would like to know from your suspect to build a stronger case.

@Cyan - Why were your posts through D1 lacking in substance? Were you distancing yourself from the game? Can you provide an opinion on which three players you believe to be mafia, and which three players you believe to be town and why?

[the white rose]

Ok, so you confirm to narrow down the core of your case to me believing his claim.

Here is my reasoning behind my unvote:

-It fits the flavour. Literally a 'guard dog' that will sacrifice himself for his human boss/owner/friend.
-It has been here in the past, such a role.

accepted, it is perfectly possible, which is why he was given this as a safe claim

-The one he is protecting is the flavourwise-main character. If someone is out there protecting said main character, mafia would want to get rid of him.

now, this is the bit i don't get. are you suggesting that mafia would prefer to get rid of this role rather than the cop, doc, roleblocker, doublevoter, etc? surely killing finn would just be another kill, finn could even be scum, what is so special about getting finn, i don't see anything....much more important to get the cop or the doc for example. Surely mafia's main target is to get the cop, dakky's claim would lead mafia to eliminate him as the cop and therefore rather than being a certain night kill, he would be perfectly safe. now how is it that me being a nooby can see that and you can't.....am i missing something? convince me that mafia would prefer to kill jake the dog with the role that dakky claimed in preference to the cop or the doc and i happily switch my vote to cyan.

-There was time left for another claim, and I mentioned way before that I wanted to look at cyaniteer.

but we can only lynch one at a time, you should have been satisfied that we had dakky trapped as scum, cyan can wait until today. had it not been for your scummy behaviour i too would be clammouring for a cyan claim, he sure looks scummy, but not as much as you do. Open to being convinced otherwise, but until then my vote stays


So instead of letting the day pass by, I undertook action to get more information out of it.

A WIFOM argument about mafia targeting or not targeting said power, cannot be linked to my allignment as you are suggesting is possible. It's not an argument.
well yes it can. dakky's initial refusal to claim because he did not want to be night killed and his subsequent claim of being a harmless townie is not consistent and confirms him as scum, but you tried to use this claim as an excuse for accepting dakky as town and moving on to cyan instead as a nooby it did not convince me and i cannot buy that he convinced you enough for you to remove your vote.

Another thing, do you think every town player on the lynch was convinced of dakky's guilt? That's just bullshit. I had my doubts, hence the switch.

after his l-1 claim it was pretty obvious to all except you......seems legit is what you said and then voted for cyan. no way not no how could it have been legit, everyone else i think can see that, but yet you claimed it convinced you....no, sorry do not buy that