[CC5] TOFU vs. KORT - 35-26 - TOFU Win FINAL 9/19

[Dualta]

Well, I might not get my long desired 'I beat KORT medal', but at least I can say I was part of the squad that administered S&M's first spanking. Are your butt cheeks red enough for you, fellas?

[angola]

this looks more like kort absorbing tsm, keeping kort's record, while emp & aoc was a merge starting off a new clan from a clean sheet. It probably should've been seen as an absorbtion of aoc into empire, would've been more simple for rankings and all.

While you might think that, no one in Empire or Agents of Chaos thought so. It was two very stout clans deciding to merge.

Thanks for your concern, however.

It is duly noted.

As an aside, it appears TOFU is opening up a can here ...

[fishydance]

Well, I might not get my long desired 'I beat KORT medal', but at least I can say I was part of the squad that administered S&M's first spanking. Are your butt cheeks red enough for you, fellas?

Not for a true S&Mer

[Arama86n]

Bureaucracy...

I feel a bit sorry for the members of TSM though. In their position it's hard to speak out against this, as anyone can understand. But picking up a win of which they had no part, or worse picking up a loss of which they had no part is simply ridiculous. And If I was in their position I would be less than pleased either way.
(It would be one thing if they joined KORT, but with a new name one would like a fresh start, I'm sure)

I'm aware of the flack ACE took from a few smaller clans, but they did the right thing in my opinion.
A merger + a name change + keeping the stronger clans record? Icepack, your answer should have been; "You can not have your cake AND eat it".
This solution simplifies seeding for coming events I suppose (and that is the only positive thing that can be said about this), but at the cost of integrity.

At the end of the day though, if this is what TSM wants, fine with me. Life is too short.
But as all 61 games in this war were fought between members of KORT and TOFU, should we win it is obvious what the medal should state.
I've been around CC long enough to have learned just to laugh at these situations.

Seul. Looks like they fixed it for you.
Drama galore. Tofu pantry is open. Cookies and beer on the house, enjoy.

[betiko]

i think that KORT entered this competition as KORT.... the members of TSM being eliminated from the CC5 cannot participate in this competition anymore, so technically... KORT isn't S&M yet, at least for this war/competition

[Armandolas]

i think that KORT entered this competition as KORT.... the members of TSM being eliminated from the CC5 cannot participate in this competition anymore, so technically... KORT isn't S&M yet, at least for this war/competition

[skillfull]

i think that KORT entered this competition as KORT.... the members of TSM being eliminated from the CC5 cannot participate in this competition anymore, so technically... KORT isn't S&M yet, at least for this war/competition

I was about to answer to Arama and to all of TOFUs.
I really feel bad because you might think that we are going to fool you guys and gals. This is not our purpose at all. I assure you that it just happened to do this merge during this fight...we are not hidden anything besides that.

I assure you that even if I could played in this war( I know that i can NOT since i have played in CC5 with monkeys and lost) but let's say that i could, then i do not want any medal in case of a win but also i do not care to get a loss vs tofu as a member of S& M.
I am not trying to steal anything, and i know that all the monkeys ( now S&M's) share the same feelings and even more the ex-KORT members as well, we just want to play and have fun.
Please, do not feel like we are fooling you, our intention is to be in the clan world and have fun, not to steal anything ( clan medals for example or clan victories ) that we don't worth. We have gained so many clan victories ,so saying that we might want another clan victory with a tricky way is an insult.

It really bothers me when i see posts that showing feeling of pitty about ex-monkeys.

EDIT: And it is not hard at all to speak about this issue, we, ex-monkeys and now S&M's have shown all these years that we are players with reliability and be trusted of our word. I understand your feeling but trust us.

A S&M member.

[Streaker]

i think that KORT entered this competition as KORT.... the members of TSM being eliminated from the CC5 cannot participate in this competition anymore, so technically... KORT isn't S&M yet, at least for this war/competition

Nobody is claiming otherwise.

[betiko]

i think that KORT entered this competition as KORT.... the members of TSM being eliminated from the CC5 cannot participate in this competition anymore, so technically... KORT isn't S&M yet, at least for this war/competition

Nobody is claiming otherwise.

I was adressing this regarding what the medal should say on their wall if this win is confirmed. I think it should say KORT and not S&M, because technically they are facing KORT as the monkeys haven't joined the ship yet. And yes, the title of this thread kind of claims otherwise...

But skill, I don't think anyone here was acusing the monkeys of anything.... I think this whole discussion was just regarding what the medal should say... TOFU beat KORT or TOFU beat S&M in this particular war (yes, this is far from over, not climing TOFU has this in the bag yet)

humm by the way I just edited the title lol! didn't know you guys had already started batch 3... and the score is 18-14 so much closer than that 18-11!

[skillfull]

i think that KORT entered this competition as KORT.... the members of TSM being eliminated from the CC5 cannot participate in this competition anymore, so technically... KORT isn't S&M yet, at least for this war/competition

Nobody is claiming otherwise.

I was adressing this regarding what the medal should say on their wall if this win is confirmed. I think it should say KORT and not S&M, because technically they are facing KORT as the monkeys haven't joined the ship yet. And yes, the title of this thread kind of claims otherwise...

But skill, I don't think anyone here was acusing the monkeys of anything.... I think this whole discussion was just regarding what the medal should say... TOFU beat KORT or TOFU beat S&M in this particular war (yes, this is far from over, not climing TOFU has this in the bag yet)

Read Arama's post first betiko and then read mine again because my english doesn't help me to write at once a good post, i need to edit it 3-4 times to complete it.

[betiko]

i think that KORT entered this competition as KORT.... the members of TSM being eliminated from the CC5 cannot participate in this competition anymore, so technically... KORT isn't S&M yet, at least for this war/competition

Nobody is claiming otherwise.

I was adressing this regarding what the medal should say on their wall if this win is confirmed. I think it should say KORT and not S&M, because technically they are facing KORT as the monkeys haven't joined the ship yet. And yes, the title of this thread kind of claims otherwise...

But skill, I don't think anyone here was acusing the monkeys of anything.... I think this whole discussion was just regarding what the medal should say... TOFU beat KORT or TOFU beat S&M in this particular war (yes, this is far from over, not climing TOFU has this in the bag yet)

Read Arama's post first betiko and then read mine again because my english doesn't help me to write at once a good post, i need to edit it 3-4 times to complete it.

humm yeah sorry. I was more in my own thoughts concerning dualtas post and such...
But I don't agree with arama.

for example, PACK has now much more AFOS members than original PACK members... AFOS still exists, yes, and PACK didn't change its name and has kept its own record.
I don't really see any problem with this, neither with the TSM absorbtion. In fact, I would rather have seen AOC absorbed by EMP instead of starting off from scratch.

and for the record: if a player of a clan hasn't participated in any game within a war he doesn't get the medal from the war. TSM members are not qualified to play any game (unless some haven't participated in any CC5 games against LHDD... I think in that case as individuals they are allowed to play the CC5... not sure).
So what arama adresses here is basically a none issue.... monkeys are not part of kort's CC5 adventure.

[Streaker]

Monkeys have joined, actually.

KoRT didn't change the thread title, nor did it express any wish to have this changed.

I fully agree that the medal should state KoRT vs TOFU. It would be most correct and fair for everyone involved. And for sentiment.

A discussion about the name is technical, because KoRT is S&M.

[Shannon Apple]

Yep, I agree with Denise and the others. If KoRT had dissolved to become S&M, there would be a much bigger problem. There is no way a clan like Tofu or Kort should be playing in the lower leagues slaughtering all around them under a new disguise. It's unfair and would give an unfair clan record. If Tofu decided to change their name in the morning, I would fully expect them to keep their position on the boards and in the clan leagues. It's a difficult decision to change a clan name especially when there's a lot of history behind it, but they did because of the incoming players. I would call it merely symbollic.

I do think the clan medals should say KoRT vs Tofu though since that's what the war started as.

[Arama86n]

Fair enough skillfull.
But I think you misinterpret my intention. I was not in any way implying that TSM members were trying to take credit for a win they have not earned. I thoroughly assume that no TSM member would ever want such a thing, and thus It seem to me that this situation is being forced on you, thus I sympathize with you guys in this situation.
Besides you have to take into account that KORT may not win this, and the way I read what has been written it seems like S&M would then be attributed with a loss for a war it did not fight, which is unfair to you, your clan mates, and the members of KORT that perhaps want a fresh start?

I just don't understand why the CD team would step in and change the clan name in this thread, implying that they intend to record this as a battle between TOFU & S&M. It is an unnecessary complication. I will refrain from writing more from fear of repeating myself.

I wish you and the rest of TSM the best of luck in your new home. I just wish CD's had handled this with more thought.

[skillfull]

Fair enough skillfull.
But I think you misinterpret my intention. I was not in any way implying that TSM members were trying to take credit for a win they have not earned. I thoroughly assume that no TSM member would ever want such a thing, and thus It seem to me that this situation is being forced on you, thus I sympathize with you guys in this situation.
Besides you have to take into account that KORT may not win this, and the way I read what has been written it seems like S&M would then be attributed with a loss for a war it did not fight, which is unfair to you, your clan mates, and the members of KORT that perhaps want a fresh start?

I just don't understand why the CD team would step in and change the clan name in this thread, implying that they intend to record this as a battle between TOFU & S&M. It is an unnecessary complication. I will refrain from writing more from fear of repeating myself.

I wish you and the rest of TSM the best of luck in your new home. I just wish CD's had handled this with more thought.

Ok, and thanks.

[fishydance]

Fair enough skillfull.
But I think you misinterpret my intention. I was not in any way implying that TSM members were trying to take credit for a win they have not earned. I thoroughly assume that no TSM member would ever want such a thing, and thus It seem to me that this situation is being forced on you, thus I sympathize with you guys in this situation.
Besides you have to take into account that KORT may not win this, and the way I read what has been written it seems like S&M would then be attributed with a loss for a war it did not fight, which is unfair to you, your clan mates, and the members of KORT that perhaps want a fresh start?

I just don't understand why the CD team would step in and change the clan name in this thread, implying that they intend to record this as a battle between TOFU & S&M. It is an unnecessary complication. I will refrain from writing more from fear of repeating myself.

I wish you and the rest of TSM the best of luck in your new home. I just wish CD's had handled this with more thought.

Ok, and thanks.

I'd like to add my thanks as well. I believe the two clans currently competing (TOFU and the former KORT) should be allowed to request the name on the medal to reflect the names at the start of the war. That's a fair request, and one I hope can be granted.

[IcePack]

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Fair enough skillfull.
But I think you misinterpret my intention. I was not in any way implying that TSM members were trying to take credit for a win they have not earned. I thoroughly assume that no TSM member would ever want such a thing, and thus It seem to me that this situation is being forced on you, thus I sympathize with you guys in this situation.
Besides you have to take into account that KORT may not win this, and the way I read what has been written it seems like S&M would then be attributed with a loss for a war it did not fight, which is unfair to you, your clan mates, and the members of KORT that perhaps want a fresh start?

I just don't understand why the CD team would step in and change the clan name in this thread, implying that they intend to record this as a battle between TOFU & S&M. It is an unnecessary complication. I will refrain from writing more from fear of repeating myself.

I wish you and the rest of TSM the best of luck in your new home. I just wish CD's had handled this with more thought.

Ok, and thanks.

I'd like to add my thanks as well. I believe the two clans currently competing (TOFU and the former KORT) should be allowed to request the name on the medal to reflect the names at the start of the war. That's a fair request, and one I hope can be granted.

Arama86n - I appreciate that you have an opinion on the matter and respect you too much to try to change that. I encourage different viewpoints even if they are different from mine own.
The only thing I'll say is "implying that the CD intend to record this as a Battle of TOFU vs S&M" the win / loss would be attributed to the same clan regardless of the name statistically. Since KORT decided to change their name (they could have waited until after the war if they wanted) their active clan name is S&M, which is why the title reflects that (otherwise there wouldn't be an active clan associated with this war on file).

However if both sides would like the medals to say KORT, the leaders of the two clans can say so in a PM if they choose and the CD's would discuss it.

Good luck to both sides
IcePack

[fishydance]

However if both sides would like the medals to say KORT, the leaders of the two clans can say so in a PM if they choose and the CD's would discuss it.

Thanks, we'll do that.

[codeblue1018]

Aram, I hope I didn't take your statement the wrong way regarding TSM's "situation"; let's be clear - we weren't absorbed, taken over or however it's labeled; we weren't forced to do anything - it was a choice that made sense for both clans, so we decided on a name suiting both sides and wallah; S&M arrived. TSM was a top 5 clan and have been for a long time and still would be competing a a high level if left unchanged. Our clan war record was extremely good, unfortunately, we can't win them all. If I was off base on your comment, my apologies.

For the record, I agree; the medals should reflect Kort. TSM members are above reproach and don't want things that aren't earned, nor would we accept it if it got to that point.

[Dualta]

Well, I might not get my long desired 'I beat KORT medal', but at least I can say I was part of the squad that administered S&M's first spanking. Are your butt cheeks red enough for you, fellas?

Not for a true S&Mer

Redder butt cheeks can be arranged

[Shannon Apple]

Wonder if I can find some use for this now eheheheh

[codeblue1018]

Knew it was coming, despite being told I didn't and then getting a forum ban, nice one. So, is this different to ACE simply because it was applied for as a merge, rather than creation of a new clan, and ACE opted for the latter? It'll be interesting to see how many are making the jump.

this looks more like kort absorbing tsm, keeping kort's record, while emp & aoc was a merge starting off a new clan from a clean sheet. It probably should've been seen as an absorbtion of aoc into empire, would've been more simple for rankings and all.

While I fully understand both clan's decision, it's still a shame to see a nice old timer clan like tsm disapear. Also, would've been more fun for competition's sake to see tsm merge with a slightly lower tear clan such as legion or something of this caliber.

#1 - that's basically what I said.

#2 - agreed, it's a shame to see TSM go. I expect they'll keep the usergroup there as social. If a merge had to happen, I couldn't have foreseen it happening with anyone apart from TOFU, KoRT or IA. Funnily enough, a deal was originally on the cards with one of the aforementioned clans, but terms couldn't be agreed. Perhaps LoW too but things don't seem so friendly on that front.

Well, good luck to S&M.

If any monkeys aren't swinging over, give me a call. Had to say something somewhere! You won't be the only ex-TSM player.

That's probably enough hijacking! Keep up the good fight TOFU & KoRT/S&M/whatever! I never know who to root for in these wars.. I have friends and enemies in both, but for some reason I'm always swayed to cheer TOFU.

All Monkies are spoken for caffeine hence the merge.

[Arama86n]

Aram, I hope I didn't take your statement the wrong way regarding TSM's "situation"; let's be clear - we weren't absorbed, taken over or however it's labeled; we weren't forced to do anything - it was a choice that made sense for both clans, so we decided on a name suiting both sides and wallah; S&M arrived. TSM was a top 5 clan and have been for a long time and still would be competing a a high level if left unchanged. Our clan war record was extremely good, unfortunately, we can't win them all. If I was off base on your comment, my apologies.

For the record, I agree; the medals should reflect Kort. TSM members are above reproach and don't want things that aren't earned, nor would we accept it if it got to that point.

My initial post was made because I assumed that TSM would not want a medal to be issued saying "For the win of The Odd Fellows Union over Spanked and Milked".
Nor would they, or members of Kort for that matter, want one that said "For the win of Spanked and Milked over The Odd Fellows Union"
It would seem it was a choice of the CD team, so I am in no way holding TSM responsible, and as far as I know KORT is not either.

But after my posts IcePack stated that should the clans want the medals to read TOFU/KORT then it would be granted. So situation resolved, and no need to discuss it further. I believe I have also stated that I in no way meant any disrespect to TSM, so I hope that is done with as well.

Have a nice day all.

And as I'm posting again anyway, my regards to skillfull, fishydance and IcePack. Nice to see it resolved with a minimal of effort.

[fishydance]

Aram, I hope I didn't take your statement the wrong way regarding TSM's "situation"; let's be clear - we weren't absorbed, taken over or however it's labeled; we weren't forced to do anything - it was a choice that made sense for both clans, so we decided on a name suiting both sides and wallah; S&M arrived. TSM was a top 5 clan and have been for a long time and still would be competing a a high level if left unchanged. Our clan war record was extremely good, unfortunately, we can't win them all. If I was off base on your comment, my apologies.

For the record, I agree; the medals should reflect Kort. TSM members are above reproach and don't want things that aren't earned, nor would we accept it if it got to that point.

My initial post was made because I assumed that TSM would not want a medal to be issued saying "For the win of The Odd Fellows Union over Spanked and Milked".
Nor would they, or members of Kort for that matter, want one that said "For the win of Spanked and Milked over The Odd Fellows Union"
It would seem it was a choice of the CD team, so I am in no way holding TSM responsible, and as far as I know KORT is not either.

But after my posts IcePack stated that should the clans want the medals to read TOFU/KORT then it would be granted. So situation resolved, and no need to discuss it further. I believe I have also stated that I in no way meant any disrespect to TSM, so I hope that is done with as well.

Have a nice day all.

And as I'm posting again anyway, my regards to skillfull, fishydance and IcePack. Nice to see it resolved with a minimal of effort.

As always, a classy response. Thanks!

[Dualta]

Of course, this challenge is far from over and KORT could still turn it around, so all his talk of TOFU winners' medals is really quite premature, and we could end up with milk on our faces. So, no disrespect dairy people, just trying to make sure that, in the event we spank you harder than your new monkey friends do, we would like to make sure that the nail in the coffin of KORT is made of TOFU. It would be a fitting send off for the herd after all