[Official] HP Mafia - MVP: Aage - Archive

[HotShot53]

Streaker still hasn't made any defense, and even the mod is getting tired of waiting, so I will vote streaker for all of the obvious reasons.

As for tomorrow's lynch... maybe dazza wouldn't be a horrible choice, since it could show if aage is cleared as town in which case mitch is probably a good lynch, or if he is scum in which case mitch is probably town. to be honest, I don't like how aage deflected away from charm/tonk yesterday, and (assuming streaker flips scum), away from streaker today... we'll see how things look tomorrow

[MudPuppy]

I don't know. I reread through most of the past couple of days and really don't have anything solid. I don't like a lot of what Streaker has been saying lately: 1) his case on me based on flavor and feeling like he was trying to twist my words, claiming crucio sounds like a roleblock when I know it's not, etc. 2) I felt his tonkaed vote was more based on a confirmed townie (strike) openly suspected him (in cahoots with charm) than a real belief that he was scum.

However, the flavor of my spell (Episkey) really doesn't match its use in this game and his reasons for voting me actually seem a bit more reasonable after a re-read. I was more than willing to vote tonkaed based on Strike's lead too, so I can't really hold that against Streaker either. Don't really know what to make of his claimed power... It sounds a bit odd and difficult to validate.

My reads (using strike's list as a starting point):
1. StorrZerg
claim: Filch wandless survivor.
Read: Still appears to be what he said he is. Slight possibility of scum. No possibility of being town.

2. Marashu
Claim: Hermione Granger-Town Doctor. Spell Protego
Read: Sempai believes him to be town and I would tend to agree... but not quite as confident.

3. got tonkaed
Claim: Luna Lovegood-Formerly wandless VT; now has a wand he can't use.
Read: I think he's town. It does make sense to me that he would not be able to turn into a vig after acquiring a scum killing wand. Doesn't hurt that charm voted for him.

5. Endgame422
Claim: Mundungus Fletcher-wandless VT
Read: Scummish... he waited 'til a few hours after dazza stated he visited me on D5 to vote for him (dazza)... Now, HP did the same thing but it's much more favorable for scum to want a town-dazza to die with his spell cast on a fellow towny. Strike also reads him as scummish.

6. Streaker
Claim: Professor Flitwick. Weird 2 night busdriver role.
Read: Neutral. I was reading him as scum but have since eased my stance. I also am uneasy about how easy folks have been to vote for him on D6.

7. aage
Claim: Horace Slughorn-wandless VT
Read: Scum... he's definitely sounded townish at times but he's done more than sketchy enough in my mind to make him vote-worthy.

8. virus90
claim: Neville Longbottom-Wandless VT
Read: Neutral

9. madmitch
Claim: Ron Weasley-Back up doctor.
Read: Scummish... I don't get the JOAT claim and he's been playing pretty poorly from my recollection.

10. dazza2008
Claim: Proffessor Trelawney-Wanded Death seer (person she visited has alignment revealed on death).
Read: Townish... I think there is enough town-value in his claimed role's death that it would be a risky ploy for scum to make.

12. HotShot53
Claim-dudley? wandless VT
Read: Scummish... I had a weak scum-meta read on him early in the game and he's been flying under the radar for most of the game.

13. dd515087
Claim: Hagrid Wandless VT
Read: Neutral to townish

[virus90]

i wanted to wait for streaker to reply to, since people basicly see things as its either me or streaker who is mafia. since i cannot realy defend or prove anything since im VT.
only thing i can say is that immediatly when asked at the beginning of the day i gave all information about me receiving a wand and not being able to use it. mafia could just have said nothing i think. but i think most of you already made that up yourself seeing the pressure on streaker.

to react to mudpuppy, i see aage as possible scum 2, as mentioned before i dont see slughorn as a probable VT. i have my "vt are close friends of harry theory" in which slughorn doesnt fit. (Hagrid, luna, neville, dobby all do) dudley doesnt really fit either but did hotshot claim that? and mudungus fletcher isnt fitting either btw.

but i see you have a similar read on the vt's similar to theory of mine.

[madmitch]

I do not know how you guys can post so much and remember whats what? I still do not believe Streaker is scum,there are alot more canadates out there including Aage and for sure endgame he jumps to vote to quickly for know go reasons,also there is TO MANY PEOPLE walking around WANDLESS that does not make sense some one has to be lying ,if the mafia has that much power thhen we are done for.

[MudPuppy]

2. Marashu
Claim: Hermione Granger-Town Doctor. Spell Protego
Read: Sempai Strike believes him to be town and I would tend to agree... but not quite as confident.

EBWOP... was really tired last night and apparently forgot SW's name.

5. Endgame422
Claim: Mundungus Fletcher-wandless VT
Read: Scummish... he waited 'til a few hours after dazza stated he visited me on D5 N4 to vote for him (dazza)... Now, HP did the same thing but it's much more favorable for scum to want a town-dazza to die with his spell cast on a fellow towny. Strike also reads him as scummish.

EBWOP... It was D5 that Endgame voted for dazza but it was N4 that dazza claimed to visit me.

[Streaker]

Busiest week of the year for me, at least for my work life.
Just caught up and have at least a few things to say:

-I didn't ask for all of you to wait with posting until I did what I said i'd do. It's stunning you have nothing else to talk about.
-If I'm already dead according to some I will not go through with the incredible task that is going through 100+ pages to build my defense.
-It would be incredibly helpfull for me if you guys would actually make a case on me, because nobody sure as hell did the effort for that. The only major item I've seen here is my 'strange' claim.

That said, I will be home tomorrow and post why I think I should not be lynched today.

[StorrZerg]

pushing madmitch when mafia vote was on him
pushing got tonk over charm
Claiming early with 5 votes
not pushing anyone today??

town could realistically not have a miss lynch, so its important to make the time to defend yourself if you are. if your mafia and just tired thats fine.

[Streaker]

pushing madmitch when mafia vote was on him
pushing got tonk over charm
Claiming early with 5 votes
not pushing anyone today??

town could realistically not have a miss lynch, so its important to make the time to defend yourself if you are. if your mafia and just tired thats fine.

You wanna clear mitch based off of a stolen vote that was on him? Also this is largely WIFOM, I believe.
Tonka 99% scum. It's not because I was not on Charm when she was lynched that I'm wrong about Tonka. I'm not the only one here that knows Tonka is scum. My main reasoning for Tonka over Charm is scum with wand = better lynch then scum without wand.
Claiming early yes, but that was under pressure from that note. I felt it was necesarry at that time to stop a mislynch.
Been one of the more active people, contributing what I could for town. Excuse me for having less time this week, but day is not over yet. Weak reason. If I push anyone today it's going to be Tonka then mitch. And don't give me that crap about a vote on mitch after his claim.

It's all I have time for today. Like I said, I'll try to be more elaborate about how I feel I contributed. I know it's a heck more then for instance Tonka, who seems to be getting a pass today after being nearly lynched yesterday.

[StorrZerg]

yet... why would he admit to having a wand when investigative roles are gone. WHAT DOES HE GAIN BY ACTING STUPID LOLOL the only reason we went on him bcecause he claimed to have a wand and didnt tell lolo0lololol

[Endgame422]

Streaker the real case against you(as far as im concerned anyway)is that mtam read you as scum and he disarmed someone last night.
Virus came forward right away and said he found a wand he cannot use.
Hence one of 3 things has happened.
1 Mtam disarmed streaker,virus found wand he cannot use
2 mtam disarmed someone else,virus found wand he cannot use
3 virus is scum and lying about the wand to get streaker lynched today
Out of those 3 options what are you suggesting happened streaker?
You have claimed you werent disarmed so do you think virus is fake claiming the wand?
If so why arent you pushing virus?
Speaking of Virus the hole in your "close friends of harry are wandless theory"is ron/hermoine.
How are they not "close friends?"
Honestly mitchs last post kinda makes me want to lynch him tomorrow(if streaker is scum)
He defends streaker by saying im on streaker for "know go reason" which i assume is no good reason,despite the whole virus/streaker wand thing and he provides no arguement regarding/countering it whatsoever.
Then goes on to OMGUS Aage but reserves his vote and basically declares it hopeless for town.
If streaker flips scum i will certainly wonder why mitch defended him without actually even saying why,or making a case on someone he considers the better target.

[virus90]

hermione and ron would be his companions/closest friends, ofcourse they are friends but characters like neville and luna hagrid and dobby are obvious friends in the books but are not on the major adventures and meetings with voldemort etc.
to put it in real life perspective; people you have a beer with but wouldnt go on holidays with?

i dont know if any of this is true at all, but what i know is dobby was VT, i am VT, there are probably more VT's and some of these characters that claimed VT i also have higher as possible town. thus my theory.

[Endgame422]

Fair enough virus.

[StorrZerg]

Well Dumbledore should be town!


They have fake claims guys lol

[Epitaph1]

VOTE COUNT

Streaker - Storr, Marashu, Endgame, tonka, HotShot (L-2)
mitch - Aage

With 13 alive, it takes 7 to lynch.

[strike wolf]

Im inclined to agree with Mud. I may be overanalyzing it and it is possible that scum have given him up for dead but the lack of controversy of the case (not including me and the other confirmed town) just seems odd to me.

[strike wolf]

Right now I dislike Endgame the most.

As far as Mitch if Hotshot (I think it was) is right about the secret vote not being able to move that would make it less likely that he is lying.

[Endgame422]

Right now I dislike Endgame the most.

As far as Mitch if Hotshot (I think it was) is right about the secret vote not being able to move that would make it less likely that he is lying.

What does the stolen vote have to do with mitch claiming like 7 powers?
Hes definetly a liar. Just not sure if he is scum or not. Were it earlier in the game id lynch him on principle but im not sure we can afford it right now.

[MudPuppy]

Right now I dislike Endgame the most.

I'm good with going that direction.

Vote Endgame

[strike wolf]

I meant to say lying scum.

[Streaker]

Streaker the real case against you(as far as im concerned anyway)is that mtam read you as scum and he disarmed someone last night.
Virus came forward right away and said he found a wand he cannot use.
Hence one of 3 things has happened.
1 aMtam disrmed streaker,virus found wand he cannot use
2 mtam disarm sedomeone else,virus found wand he cannot use
3 virus is scum and lying about the wand to get streaker lynched today
Out of those 3 options what are you suggesting happened streaker?
You have claimed you werent disarmed so do you think virus is fake claiming the wand?
If so why arent you pushing virus?
Speaking of Virus the hole in your "close friends of harry are wandless theory"is ron/hermoine.
How are they not "close friends?"
Honestly mitchs last post kinda makes me want to lynch him tomorrow(if streaker is scum)
He defends streaker by saying im on streaker for "know go reason" which i assume is no good reason,despite the whole virus/streaker wand thing and he provides no arguement regarding/countering it whatsoever.
Then goes on to OMGUS Aage but reserves his vote and basically declares it hopeless for town.
If streaker flips scum i will certainly wonder why mitch defended him without actually even saying why,or making a case on someone he considers the better target.

The problem is that your case is 'mtam says he's scum'. There is no defense against that.
I think it's likely that Mtam targeted Tonka over me, because Tonka was his biggest target yesterday until the end where he switched.
Tonka or dazza, but I have a better read on Tonka. Issue is that you can't be sure what Mtam did, he's never straightforward with what he does.

IMO, Tonka should be lynched today.

yet... why would he admit to having a wand when investigative roles are gone. WHAT DOES HE GAIN BY ACTING STUPID LOLOL the only reason we went on him bcecause he claimed to have a wand and didnt tell lolo0lololol

It could be a slip, simple as that.

In my defence, which will be shorter then I hoped, I should add that I was one who put the earliest pressure on Ragian and helped convince the rest to vote him despite Dumble claim.
I have been suspicious of Charm all game, but went for Tonka over her based on the wand thing that I explained.
Was also involved in a lot of discussions, never scared to get into discussions and arguments. Always explained my vote, no wagoning from me. Went through hell trying to bring others to my cause, but that didn't work out so I backed off a little on the last few days.

What speaks against me, not talking about Mtam, is that I pushed Mud rather hard but I believe it was with a good reason. Honestly thought I'd caught him in a lie.
And I still have never seen a game where a protection works against specific powers.
Mtam was also the only to have a scum read on me. And he was wrong in this game before.

I believe I have contributed quite a bit for town, and continue to do so. Add my post with the defense I posted for Storr, and you'll see I am definitely not the best lynch today.

If you do decide to lynch me, please don't let mitch get away with this just because of that vote on him.

Now I don't see the case on End, can someone please recap this for me?

I hope to convince enough of you with this, I'll wait with voting for now because on Tonk it's likely to be wasted.

[StorrZerg]

unvote vote endgame

We can go this way idc

Just saying mtamburini used his spell on streaker 100%

[MudPuppy]

Just saying mtamburini used his spell on streaker 100%

What makes you so sure? I know he said if Charm flips scum then lynch Streaker... and I can fully understand that stance since Streaker quickly tried to steer the vote away from her.... but that's not quite enough to make me believe he disarmed Streaker last night... but it's definitely a decent possibility and worth considering. Mtambo has been talking so much crap all game long, though, that even as confirmed town his statements have lost credibility.

[StorrZerg]

its not like him as town, to telegraph one thing (streaker charm scum pair) and then use his disarm on a random person and not his scum suspect.

[Streaker]

Ok seeing how Endgame has been pushing the get the day over with,
I will follow NW and MP on this.

Vote Endgame

[Endgame422]

Lynching me tells you nothing.
Streakers claims(busdriver actions) if true,will essentially prove HS and i wandless.
If you lynch me and i flip my claim,what will you learn?
What do you learn about streaker?
What do you learn about virus finding a wand?
Who did mtam disarm as they are scum?(unless virus is lying about the wand)
Streaker is definetly the logical choice here.