Congratulations people of Crimea

[jefjef]

well i have this list , but only source what have casualty numbers are wikipedia, so this could be check to see how many casualty of intervention are responsible of US and how many Russia.

brake of international law(after 1945)(no approval of UN)

US
1965-Ocupation of Dominican Republic
1956-Vietnam War
1961-Cuba attack
1964-laos bombardment
1983-Granada Invasion
1986-bombing of libya
1989-Panama Invasion
1992-Iraq no fly zone
1998-Bombing of Afghanistan and Sudan
1999-SR Yugoslavia bombardment
2001-Ocupation of Afghanistan
2003-Ocupation of Iraq
2011-LIbya bombardment (violation of Un resolution 1973)
2014-drone Campaign in PAkistan and Yemen


SSSR
1956-Hungary
1968-CSSR invasion
1979-Afghanistan occupation

Russia
2008-Georgia
2014-Ukraine

according on this US lead 14-5 against USSR/Russia in brake of international law. If i miss something please help to fill a list.

Qwert - enough of your list. Just because the UN doesn't "approve" of an action it doesn't equate to breaking of international law. International law is really only what America decides it is...

Your list is a bit inaccurate too.. Why is Cuba isted? It was exiles trying to get home and oust a dictatorship that wasn't the lawful gov.. Why isn't Vietnam on the USSR list? They were there too...

Seems like you would rather have the Saddams of the world and your crying that they aren't here anymore.

You also fail to acknowledge that the Soviet/Russian actions were for Empire building. The US hasn't absorbed any of the countries you have listed.

[BigBallinStalin]

Before we go screaming for War, have you learned anything from WW1?

Yes. It is best to supply arms and behind the scenes support to the side you wish to be victorious and NOT directly enter the conflict until either all belligerents are worn down and used up OR if the side we are supporting is overwhelmingly getting it's ass kicked and only if we could win by entering.

Screaming for war and constant sabre-rattling led to a world war. Why have you been taking this stance?

[BigBallinStalin]

Here is what we Americans understand about foreign policy.

Sometimes there are Hitlers, Saddams, Karadzics, Kadaffys, Kim Jong-ils, Idi Amins, Al qaedas, Talibans, and on and on and on

and

sometimes the world needs America to set things on the better path.

Isn't that Battlefield 2?

I'm convinced. jefjef has won me over to a 100% interventionist US foreign policy. Nobody is safe until the jefjef's and JB's of Uhmeria feel safe.

Funny stuff BBS. You would much rather have Hitlers and Karadzics and Soddoms committing genocides and various other atrocities than UN intervention?

That's a reasonable tradeoff. Every conflict is like Hitler + WW2 or Saddam Hussein v. the Kurds---UNLESS Uhmerica gets involved!

Before we go screaming for War, have you learned anything from WW1?

You're arguing with someone who has a flag-tattooed eagle as his avatar...

-TG

Costs are minimized if I keep my responses short.

[patches70]

International law is really only what America decides it is...

Hmmm....that doesn't sound very "international".

[Qwert]

well i have this list , but only source what have casualty numbers are wikipedia, so this could be check to see how many casualty of intervention are responsible of US and how many Russia.

brake of international law(after 1945)(no approval of UN)

US
1965-Ocupation of Dominican Republic
1956-Vietnam War
1961-Cuba attack
1964-laos bombardment
1983-Granada Invasion
1986-bombing of libya
1989-Panama Invasion
1992-Iraq no fly zone
1998-Bombing of Afghanistan and Sudan
1999-SR Yugoslavia bombardment
2001-Ocupation of Afghanistan
2003-Ocupation of Iraq
2011-LIbya bombardment (violation of Un resolution 1973)
2014-drone Campaign in PAkistan and Yemen


SSSR
1956-Hungary
1968-CSSR invasion
1979-Afghanistan occupation

Russia
2008-Georgia
2014-Ukraine

according on this US lead 14-5 against USSR/Russia in brake of international law. If i miss something please help to fill a list.

Qwert - enough of your list. Just because the UN doesn't "approve" of an action it doesn't equate to breaking of international law. International law is really only what America decides it is...

Your list is a bit inaccurate too.. Why is Cuba isted? It was exiles trying to get home and oust a dictatorship that wasn't the lawful gov.. Why isn't Vietnam on the USSR list? They were there too...

Seems like you would rather have the Saddams of the world and your crying that they aren't here anymore.

You also fail to acknowledge that the Soviet/Russian actions were for Empire building. The US hasn't absorbed any of the countries you have listed.

this its objective list, who contain bout sides (US/Russia).
Why USSR are not listed in Vietnam? Really, and what unit of USSR are involve in VIetnam,and what they attack?

International law is really only what America decides it is...

Wow, now this thinking was like Nazi Germany, where they believe that they are above everyone, and that everybody need to obey .
I hope that this its writing mistake, and you really don't believe in that, and that everybody need to respect international law.

[jefjef]

qwert and friends (comrades)

Here is a link - just one of several - for you to view. This is what is openly admitted to and well the numbers could easily be 10 times what is admitted to.

http://rt.com/news/ussr-secret-vietnam- ... speak-out/

[saxitoxin]

qwert and friends (comrades)

Here is a link - just one of several - for you to view. This is what is openly admitted to.

http://rt.com/news/ussr-secret-vietnam- ... speak-out/

Any claim made in a link to RT must be ignored as RT is a Russian site and, therefore, everything contained in it is a lie and/or propaganda. SORZ!

[jefjef]

Before we go screaming for War, have you learned anything from WW1?

Yes. It is best to supply arms and behind the scenes support to the side you wish to be victorious and NOT directly enter the conflict until either all belligerents are worn down and used up OR if the side we are supporting is overwhelmingly getting it's ass kicked and only if we could win by entering.

Screaming for war and constant sabre-rattling led to a world war. Why have you been taking this stance?

It wasn't Americans screaming for war and it wasn't American sabre-rattling that led to either world war... It wasn't the US that started them but we sure had to enter and end them.

What don't you understand?

[Qwert]

qwert and friends (comrades)

Here is a link - just one of several - for you to view. This is what is openly admitted to and well the numbers could easily be 10 times what is admitted to.

http://rt.com/news/ussr-secret-vietnam- ... speak-out/

this its irrelevant, its same like US military presence in Afghanistan, where US give full military training and other support to TAlibans and Osama Bin laden during USSR occupation of Afghanistan (wow, sound so unbelievable ,one day Allies, next day enemies)

[jefjef]

qwert and friends (comrades)

Here is a link - just one of several - for you to view. This is what is openly admitted to and well the numbers could easily be 10 times what is admitted to.

http://rt.com/news/ussr-secret-vietnam- ... speak-out/

this its irrelevant, its same like US military presence in Afghanistan, where US give full military training and other support to TAlibans and Osama Bin laden during USSR occupation of Afghanistan (wow, sound so unbelievable ,one day Allies, next day enemies)

They were combat troops. They shot down US planes... They weren't just "advisers" and they weren't just "training"...

[saxitoxin]

I love it when Juan_Bottom and jefjef team up!

It's just mop-up operations at this point and Qwert and GoranZ have it handled so I'm just gonna sit back and enjoy!

[BigBallinStalin]

Before we go screaming for War, have you learned anything from WW1?

Yes. It is best to supply arms and behind the scenes support to the side you wish to be victorious and NOT directly enter the conflict until either all belligerents are worn down and used up OR if the side we are supporting is overwhelmingly getting it's ass kicked and only if we could win by entering.

Screaming for war and constant sabre-rattling led to a world war. Why have you been taking this stance?

It wasn't Americans screaming for war and it wasn't American sabre-rattling that led to either world war... It wasn't the US that started them but we sure had to enter and end them.

What don't you understand?

So, when people are in a room screaming at each other while waving their guns around, what is likely to happen next?

[GoranZ]

This is gonna be interesting US threatens China with Russia-like sanctions over territorial disputes

The question is: What if the sanctions against Russia dont have significant effect? In that case does that mean that China can over run what ever they want? If I was China I would read US threats that way.

[muy_thaiguy]

This is gonna be interesting US threatens China with Russia-like sanctions over territorial disputes

The question is: What if the sanctions against Russia dont have significant effect? In that case does that mean that China can over run what ever they want? If I was China I would read US threats that way.

If I'm not mistaken, China's economy is far more influenced by the US than Russia's. So, there is that.

[Dukasaur]

This is gonna be interesting US threatens China with Russia-like sanctions over territorial disputes

The question is: What if the sanctions against Russia dont have significant effect? In that case does that mean that China can over run what ever they want? If I was China I would read US threats that way.

I think Putin is already feeling the heat from western sanctions. For instance, he won't be able to get a decent taco if and when he visits Buffalo.
http://www.thespec.com/news-story/4450211-buffalo-s-mighty-taco-bans-vladimir-putin/

[GoranZ]

This is gonna be interesting US threatens China with Russia-like sanctions over territorial disputes

The question is: What if the sanctions against Russia dont have significant effect? In that case does that mean that China can over run what ever they want? If I was China I would read US threats that way.

If I'm not mistaken, China's economy is far more influenced by the US than Russia's. So, there is that.

Even easier for China... US will not be so brave at sanctioning them

I think Putin is already feeling the heat from western sanctions. For instance, he won't be able to get a decent taco if and when he visits Buffalo.
http://www.thespec.com/news-story/4450211-buffalo-s-mighty-taco-bans-vladimir-putin/

what is taco and who are they?

Seems like Chinese should start planing their list of possible lands for expansion

[Jmac1026]

I think Putin is already feeling the heat from western sanctions. For instance, he won't be able to get a decent taco if and when he visits Buffalo.
http://www.thespec.com/news-story/4450211-buffalo-s-mighty-taco-bans-vladimir-putin/

what is taco and who are they?

Taco is delicious Hispanic food. And without Taco, Putin will certainly fail in his endeavors to become the next Taco-Fueled-Nazi Empire.

[Qwert]

Its look that US sanction also hit Sergei Ivanov to(worker in Saint Petersburg). He try to buy a snickers from Online shop from US, and they decline hes order, because he its on Black List .

Who will be next ,and how long will Russia resists this serious sanctions?

[mrswdk]

They should just nuke Russia until there's nothing left but lizards. No one likes Russia.

[Symmetry]

They should just nuke Russia until there's nothing left but lizards. No one likes Russia.

I don't even think you're trying anymore, mrsdwk. What happened?

[mrswdk]

LIFE HAPPENED

[mrswdk]

And that, kids, is why you don't drink a whole bottle of whiskey in one sitting.

[GoranZ]

Its look that US sanction also hit Sergei Ivanov to(worker in Saint Petersburg). He try to buy a snickers from Online shop from US, and they decline hes order, because he its on Black List .

Who will be next ,and how long will Russia resists this serious sanctions?

No one, not even Sergei Ivanov He is much smarter then US government
http://en.itar-tass.com/russia/726658

Taco is delicious Hispanic food. And without Taco, Putin will certainly fail in his endeavors to become the next Taco-Fueled-Nazi Empire.

I almost died... How do you expect sanctions for taco to work when someone doesn't even eat taco in the first place?

They should just nuke Russia until there's nothing left but lizards. No one likes Russia.

I don't even think you're trying anymore, mrsdwk. What happened?

MH370

[notyou2]

Congratulations Crimea. You have just gone back in time.

[GoranZ]

Marvelous move by the Russian government... BAN on import of GMO products.
Killing 2 rabbits with one bullet, saving Russian people from sideeffects from consuming GMO and sanctioning US food industry.

http://rt.com/news/russia-import-gmo-products-621/

I presume next moves will be ban on CocaCola/Pepsi and MacDonalds