[Official] Breaking Bad Mafia 4/18 Blue. Town&DEA+rug win

[MoB Deadly]

It looks like Betiko chose to target either WW OR the person you swapped WW with, which means he ended up targeting the person you swapped WW with or WW himself (that assumes you swapped WW, not you).
I didnt bus WW.

Another option is that Betiko's WC involved killing WW and so the scene mentions him trying to find him just for flavour.
This makes a bit of sense to me. Do the cousins want to kill WW in the show?

[Rugbirn]

I agree we'll have to massclaim if we can't reach a definite lead soon. However, I'd rather see Virus claim his meth action before the massclaim starts, as that action is not a part of his role.

If I had (which I did NOT), selected Betiko for N3 action, he would have showed up innocent to any N3 investigation (I assume).

Why would he have showed up innocent?

Because when Strike sent me my role he didn't want to tell me up front how many factions we are dealing with. So my role simply said that depending on who I selected (for night action), if they were mafia they would show innocent to an investigation, but if they were town, they would be protected from a NK. Since then, I have querried Strike to verify some things:

1. Did my protection of town include N+1 poisonings? - Answer = Yes
2. Would my protection of Hank (DEA faction Not town) work had he not been bussed? Answer = Yes

So, it seems that the words "mafia" and "town" in my role are actually terms that include other factions as well. So, in essence "town aligned" and "mafia aligned" or "anti town aligned" would be better words to use. Even though the cousins were green - 3rd Party, they are definately "anti town aligned" being cartel (in the show).

Thus, the reason i said "If I had (which I did NOT), selected Betiko for N3 action, he would have showed up innocent to any N3 investigation (I assume)".

[Iron Butterfly]

Why would Town want a mass claim? Up to this point Town has been doing quit well with all things considered. Mafia will have fake claims.
The other factions have win conditions probably different then Towns. MoB can not win while DEA is alive. I will Hazard a guess that the reverse is true as well.

With the fog of war still in place the killers are still guessing. We can only lynch one person to day. We mass claim and now killing roles can pick and choose.

With a mass claim MoB can discover who DEA is. DEA will know who Walt and Jesse are. Mafia/Killing roles will be able to pick and choose their targets.

Vote Rugbirn

With all the Night actions everyone has gone dumb and stupid?? Unless a better lynch is revealed my vote stays.

[Rugbirn]

I guess YOU have alot to hide IB

[Iron Butterfly]

I guess YOU have alot to hide IB

If you protected someone and they lived do you believe this is important information you can share or is your only value one in which we should take your word at?

For arguments sake lets say I am a VT. Who does that help with a mass claim/ reveal? Certainly not Town. It just tells the killing roles who to work around.

For arguments sake lets say I am Town "The all Being master of Time Space and Dimension". A mass claim will make me a target of opportunity and remove any threat I may bare on the bad guys..

I have nothing more to say to you. I refuse to have a 5 page discourse with you while others sit quiet.

[Rugbirn]

Seems like my "word" has been pretty spot on since all was revealed. I protected XStor N1 he lived. I protected Hank N2 and he would have lived if MoB hadn't bussed him. And my protection N3 seems to have worked as well (no town kill). So your voting for me does NOT look to be in the best interest of town now does it? No, actually quite scummy looking.

But yet you want me to out a townie, and are "afraid" to claim. Funny when the shoes on the other foot, huh IB

[virus90]

since i also got a protective role last night its not sure that you protected the target, maybe i did, or maybe there was just 1 kill possible since the hitmen have been killed. so i wouldnt conclude to fast that your protection = town. (unless you protected me ofcourse... )

[Rugbirn]

So, virus your night action role was for N3? And in exchange you lost your lynch vote for D4 - correct?

No arguement with your logic, anything is possible without knowing all actions. As your role has been used, was your role a protection role? At this point, I don't imagine it would harm anything to divulge what type of role you had and/or if you learned anything from it. But, unlike some I'm not going to pressure you to do so.

All I was re-iterating was what I did each night and the results. I just find it quite hypocritical for some to want to perpetually beat me to reveal all because I'm 3rd Party, yet want to maintain complete anonimity when it come to their actions. And all this while they maintain their complete dis-trust of me, yet not one of them can point to anything I've said as un-true.

[virus90]

yes i was given a protection role in exchange for my vote

[rishaed]

IB, what was your night action last night?

Nonono, as claimed 3rd party. I really want you to tell what your Night action was. We've got only 1 kill last night not 2, as well as the fact that you've effectively claimed a protective. I wanna know who it was you protected, for a partial clear on the person. Can we get a prod on Rodian, i haven't seen him since somewhere mid D3 ish .

Ummmm, did you even read any of the posts on this page? Rodion posted.

Totally didn't see his green dinosaur avvy.. That being said, I am willing to go for a mass claim as well.

[Iron Butterfly]

Seems like my "word" has been pretty spot on since all was revealed. I protected XStor N1 he lived. I protected Hank N2 and he would have lived if MoB hadn't bussed him. And my protection N3 seems to have worked as well (no town kill). So your voting for me does NOT look to be in the best interest of town now does it? No, actually quite scummy looking.

But yet you want me to out a townie, and are "afraid" to claim. Funny when the shoes on the other foot, huh IB

Your worried about outing a Townie yet want a mass claim. Care to explain this contradiction?

[Rugbirn]

Yeah, it goes like this: Everyone makes a claim as to who they are, and everyone else decides if they are telling the truth. Then everyone has stuck their necks out instead of just a couple of guys. Based on claims and night action insight people have, I'm sure that contradictions will arise. I'll even go first if you'd like - ha ha

I believe that we are down to Gus and maybe one cartel member (who probably does not have NK capability). So, we have to find Gus, and my night action insight isn't going to help us.

I guess I'm having a hard time understanding why who I protected N3 is so important to you? Like virus90 said, maybe he is the one that protected the targeted townie N3. I assume one of us did. Once the mass claim has happened, we can compare notes, and I'll be happy to tell who I selected N3 - deal ?

[Rodion]

Since I never targeted Jonty, I don't see much difference in being second to him or just claiming first.

Marie Schrader - Town Roleblocker

N1 - Virus
N2 - IB (that's why I said he couldn't be Gus - but he can be Cartel)
N3 - Rugbirn

My theory is that kills dropped from 3 to 1 because one of the killers was roleblocked.

[Rugbirn]

Marie - Hank's wife ? Rodion, you're such a pussycat!

[Rugbirn]

So, if kills were N1 = 2; N2 = 3; N3 = 1, and you roleblocked IB N2, your theory is that 3 people wouldn't have been killed if IB was a NKer?
And you say "My theory is that kills dropped from 3 to 1 because one of the killers was roleblocked." So, you are theorizing that because you roleblocked me N3 I am a suspected NKer? Well, I might agree with that if there were more NKers alive, but I maintain that at most there are two anit-town NKers and more probably just one - Gus. If there is an additional cartel member, what are the chances that he would have NK capability over Don, Tio, & the cousins?

@IB - So, see how productive this is going to be. Now my protective role didn't matter anyway, cause Rodion doesn't trust my claim.

[MoB Deadly]

On N2, I got a JailKeep ability for the Meth.
I used it on Rodion.

So his N2 action did not process, but Rodion did not perform a Kill on N2.

[MoB Deadly]

I am not going to comment on N3 yet until we get a couple more claims

[Rugbirn]

On N2, I got a JailKeep ability for the Meth.
I used it on Rodion.

So his N2 action did not process, but Rodion did not perform a Kill on N2.

Interesting.....doesn't look as good for IB now. And just how do you know that Rodion did not kill N2? (I understand that he does not have NK capability if we believe his rolebloker role.)

[Rodion]

NK capabilities are a faction thing, which means they are "inherited" by the living members when the godfather dies. As long as there is a Cartel member alive, he has a NK (on top of whichever ability he may or may not have).

NKs down from 3 to 1 means 2 events (either the same event happening twice or a combination of different events) among the following happened:
1 - a bulletproof player has been hit
2 - a targeted player has been protected (and, for all we know, MoB might have swapped you, which would mean I blocked someone else and Rugbirn's action happened)
3 - a NKer has been roleblocked
4 - multiple NKs targeted Betiko

[Rugbirn]

O.K. then my question to you Rodion is: How many anti town NKers do you assume we have - two (Gus & final cartel member) ?

[Rodion]

MoB, did you want to protect or block me?

On N2, I got a JailKeep ability for the Meth.
I used it on Rodion.

So his N2 action did not process, but Rodion did not perform a Kill on N2.

Interesting.....doesn't look as good for IB now. And just how do you know that Rodion did not kill N2? (I understand that he does not have NK capability if we believe his rolebloker role.)

Jailkeeper = doctor+roleblocker packaged in 1. If I was blocked, I couldn't have killed. That clears me from being Gus in everyone else's eyes and, as you noticed, nulifies my clearance on IB.

And yes, I'm guessing 2 NKers left.

[Iron Butterfly]

Well alrighty then lets head down this road shall we?

I am Skinny Pete-Town Jailkeeper (remember him? I bread crumbed on purpose as I had never done that in a game before. Interesting that someone who has Towns best interests would tell everyone who had not noticed. "hey everyone LOOK its Skinny Pete".

I jailed Rodion all three nights.

N1-To protect a vet. A skilled player to have if he were Town. A block if he were scum.

N2- I was leaning towards him being scum.

N3- I had to make a decision. Two mafia dead from both sides. I believed Rugbirn to some extent yesterday, which is why i did not block him. When Betiko flipped green as well that was proof to me he is scum. My decision to jail Rodion N3 was based on the futures night actions, which could possibly prove his guilt or innocence.

We know someone was protected N3 from a kill.

I now believe that we may have gotten rid of a mafia faction and instead need to worry about the green faction.

This was why I wanted to know who Rugbirn protected.

I also sent a PM for clarity on what take precedence if a jailer over laps with a blocker.

[rishaed]

I can't clear anyone but I am Andrea Cantillo Vengeful Townie. Also no night actions. Also why I'm not afraid to take a lynch for town. I can use it to capitalize on my town/scum observations, which usually get better late game.

[jonty125]

Huell Babineaux - Town Bodyguard

N1: Mets
N2: MoB
N3: MoB

[Rugbirn]

Huell Babineaux and Andrea Cantillo? I don't remember these characters from the show. Can someone refresh my memory?