[Official] Breaking Bad Mafia 4/18 Blue. Town&DEA+rug win

[betiko]

I have a town read on TFO since yesterday. The whole thing seems honest and straightforward.
I think the "poisoner" thing was just flavour.

Could there be 3 killers per night every night? 1 of them at least has to be a vig... Otherwise town just has no chance...

Fpx2

[Rugbirn]

Rodian, I think that it is pretty scummy of you to direct me to protect CD, and when I do and things go wrong, you back away like it's not your fault. Any how did I change my claim? I just completed it. Yeah, it would have really helped my case during the feeding frenzy, by initially claiming that I have this protective power for townies, and oh, by the way I can also help out mafia with stilly investigations - I would've been lynched three days ago!

Yeah, I admit it took me some time to figure exactly what did happened N2. How was I to know MoB was going to buss CD? If he had bussed him with town, then we wouldn't even be having this discussion, now would we? Someone else would be on the hot seat.

[Rugbirn]

Town is missing out on a great opportunity here if you lynch me. Sure, I can understand how some of you may not belive me, but make mafia kill me (they know I'm telling the truth), at least it would be one less town friendly role disappearing N3.

unvote vote Gregwolf121

[betiko]

So greg is at L-3 one more and we can expect his claim.
I think jonty said that if he's at L-3 he wouldn't mind putting his vote on the table to get there.

[strike wolf]

Vote count with edit:

Official Vote Count

Rishaed
Gregwolf121 (3)-Betiko, Rishaed, Rugbirn
Theforgivenone
mob deadly
betiko
metsfanmax
rodion
virus90
iron butterfly
Rugbirn (1)-Rodion
Jonty125

With 11 alive it takes 6 to lynch. Deadline will be next Friday, around this time.

Rodion has been prodded.

[MoB Deadly]

Awesome deadline. Thank god because I needed the extra time.
I have a bachelors party tomorrow, which means I will be able to fully re-read everything after the Rugbirn claim Sunday-into-monday and make a good post then.
in the mean time I am happy with gregwolf claiming. Not much harm in that.
I am so impossibly torn on Rugbirn right now. Part of me WANTS to believe him.. but logic just doesnt seem to fit.
Mets or someone said something correct. I feel like as soon as he claimed, it flicked a switch and now all of a sudden Rugbirn knows how to play. Was he playing possum this whole time?
It is impossible to tell from truth and lie with him, and that makes him dangerous.

Lets get at least another lead to go on for today/tonight/or leading into tomorrow
Vote Gregwolf (I dont have a vote)

[MoB Deadly]

Like I have a sense of pride trying to play this game as does everyone else here. It would be really humbling if we HELPED Rugbirn tumble through his fake claim and helped him make it believable.
That would really bother me if doing that costs me a shiny medal
I just don't know right now, but we HAVE to decide tonight because he is either a protective role or a killer role. The stakes are high for today

[betiko]

since day 1 tot ell the truth I've been wondering if rugbirn hasn't been impersonating this guy



But I have to admit that the way rodion puts it it makes me go back to some thoughts I had at the time of the claim... hard to tell.

[Iron Butterfly]

Vote Rugbirn

Its him or TFO.

[Roger Dodger]

I wanna play

[gregwolf121]

okay so basically people are voting for me because they want another claim and i got selected, i don't see a real case on me, and so i can't really defend myself, and nobody wants to come up with there own case, no i don't have one of my own, i haven't had time to go back and put anything together, but looks like i will have to claim soon,
right now the three main suspects are me, TFO and rugbirn,
as to rugbirn im still undecided his claim seems to check out, but i don't like how it took forever to get him to claim
TFO not sure, right now i have a town read on him, but if its down to him and me i would vote him.

[jonty125]

okay so basically people are voting for me because they want another claim and i got selected, i don't see a real case on me, and so i can't really defend myself, and nobody wants to come up with there own case, no i don't have one of my own, i haven't had time to go back and put anything together, but looks like i will have to claim soon,
right now the three main suspects are me, TFO and rugbirn,
as to rugbirn im still undecided his claim seems to check out, but i don't like how it took forever to get him to claim
TFO not sure, right now i have a town read on him, but if its down to him and me i would vote him.

Please don't tell me, we're going to have another, I'm not claiming @ L-2 saga, I don't think I'd seen one for 2 years, and three in a week!! Just claim greg, there is a case on you, so claim.


In other news, Rug, you are saying Rodion is scum for directing a protective role to a cop. I can't really see what's wrong with that, and you hadn't even claimed at that point, unless I've methed up my notes, so it wasn't really directing.

[Iron Butterfly]

Here betiko
http://wiki.epicmafia.com/index.php?title=Poisoner

I think this is pretty damning evidence against rugbirn and looks like an easy lynch today, but we should still have everyone check in and post leads. Do not speedlynch obviously.

vote Rugbirn

your link suggest that you are told if you're poisoned? so do you thin xstor could ve been poisoned and didn't say anything? or could it just be that strike used gus's way of killing to give flavour to his night kill, without meaning there is a poisoner? I don't know, that sounds like way too much nigh kill powers if red mafia can kill +poison and you have the cartel on top of that killing as well... that sounds too unballanced for town

fp by mob

yeah there might be even more factions... normal third party (green?) and that blue color for DEA?

fp by mets

I found it. THIS! I knew someone said it. Out of the many many games I have played at CC the color orange has always been the color of third party NOT green. I can only remember green used in play a handful of times.

Funny how Rugbirn claims the color green after this comment. Could I be wrong? Maybe but this just adds to the long list of things that would have gotten someone else lynched long ago.

[Metsfanmax]

Here betiko
http://wiki.epicmafia.com/index.php?title=Poisoner

I think this is pretty damning evidence against rugbirn and looks like an easy lynch today, but we should still have everyone check in and post leads. Do not speedlynch obviously.

vote Rugbirn

your link suggest that you are told if you're poisoned? so do you thin xstor could ve been poisoned and didn't say anything? or could it just be that strike used gus's way of killing to give flavour to his night kill, without meaning there is a poisoner? I don't know, that sounds like way too much nigh kill powers if red mafia can kill +poison and you have the cartel on top of that killing as well... that sounds too unballanced for town

fp by mob

yeah there might be even more factions... normal third party (green?) and that blue color for DEA?

fp by mets

I found it. THIS! I knew someone said it. Out of the many many games I have played at CC the color orange has always been the color of third party NOT green. I can only remember green used in play a handful of times.

Funny how Rugbirn claims the color green after this comment. Could I be wrong? Maybe but this just adds to the long list of things that would have gotten someone else lynched long ago.

Interesting catch. But there's also the converse -- that betiko is in the same third party

[betiko]

I was being interrogative, and as far as i've seen so far each mod uses a different colour for third parties. What is for certain is that the only third party so far was greenish. But yeah, I agree it's interesting to see that rug mentions the same colour.

@jonty: why don't you cast your vote and why didn't you mention meth in your last post? you are arguing the fact that you want greg to claim, you don't have your vote on him which could bring him to -3 to -2 and you're saying that he's being difficult not to claim at -3... you also said before that if it could help you would vote to put him at l-2. your last post is really intriguing.

[jonty125]

@jonty: why don't you cast your vote and why didn't you mention meth in your last post? you are arguing the fact that you want greg to claim, you don't have your vote on him which could bring him to -3 to -2 and you're saying that he's being difficult not to claim at -3... you also said before that if it could help you would vote to put him at l-2. your last post is really intriguing.

I believe you methed MoB's vote on greg.

[betiko]

@jonty: why don't you cast your vote and why didn't you mention meth in your last post? you are arguing the fact that you want greg to claim, you don't have your vote on him which could bring him to -3 to -2 and you're saying that he's being difficult not to claim at -3... you also said before that if it could help you would vote to put him at l-2. your last post is really intriguing.

I believe you methed MoB's vote on greg.

What exactly is this supposed to mean? I can just post jibberish too. Is that your new meta these days jonty?

[Rugbirn]

Hey, IB it is what it is - colorwise. I am telling the truth, the whole truth, AND nothing but the truth SHMG. If you choose not to believe me, that is your perrogative. But to lynch me is very scummy and will provide you (and others that vote to lynch me) with the FOS after the truth comes out. I know I am a deadman either way, so why would I defend myself to this extent, and help town by explaining a perfectly good trap scenario. By lynching me you are saving mafia a NK that can use on someone else - very scummy in my opinion. Mafia will kill me tonight (if I am not lynched) after all I have revealed.

@Jonty - I'm not saying Rodion is scum for directing me to protect CD (although I didn't need his direction), that was my plan once h CD revealed. I think it is pretty scummy that once it is done and doesn't work out, he trashes me like yesterday's news.

[jonty125]

@jonty: why don't you cast your vote and why didn't you mention meth in your last post? you are arguing the fact that you want greg to claim, you don't have your vote on him which could bring him to -3 to -2 and you're saying that he's being difficult not to claim at -3... you also said before that if it could help you would vote to put him at l-2. your last post is really intriguing.

I believe you methed MoB's vote on greg.

What exactly is this supposed to mean? I can just post jibberish too. Is that your new meta these days jonty?

Mob doesn't have a vote today, does he. vote gregwolfp

[gregwolf121]

no jonty i claim at L2, but anyways i am combo ortega VT,
okay so i went back over the last few days to see why people voted me, to me it seemed that the case was, eh we don't have anything better right now so why not. but whats done is done, and while going through the posts i found this and this post bothers me, especially the statement in green,

Town is missing out on a great opportunity here if you lynch me. Sure, I can understand how some of you may not belive me, but make mafia kill me (they know I'm telling the truth), at least it would be one less town friendly role disappearing N3.

unvote vote Gregwolf121

the way it reads seems to infer that his role isn't town friendly, i think its more likely that he worded it wrong, but lots of his posts seem to poorly worded too, idk, it just stood out and i felt like sharing it.

[Rugbirn]

Greg,
Don't you understand that I am already a deadman? "at least it would be one less friendly role disappearing N3" means:

1. I am town friendly (as I have claimed since the game's begining)
2. If mafia NKs me and another town friendly = 2 town friendly killed
3. If town lynches me, and then mafia NKs two more town friendly = 3 town friendly killed.

From that one statement, I do not understand how you come up with me NOT being town friendly ???

But anyway, I do not beleive your claim.

[Rugbirn]

Greg,
Don't you understand that I am already a deadman? "at least it would be one less friendly role disappearing N3" means:

1. I am town friendly (as I have claimed since the game's begining)
2. If mafia NKs me and another town friendly = 2 town friendly killed
3. If town lynches me, and then mafia NKs two more town friendly = 3 town friendly killed.

From that one statement, I do not understand how you come up with me NOT being town friendly ???

But anyway, I do not beleive your claim.

[Rugbirn]

Sorry about the double post.

[gregwolf121]

yes rugbirn i know that you are a target for the mafia, but as i said i figured you just worded it poorly, but it stood out to me and so i pointed it out, the way it was worded indicated that your death would mean that one less town friendly role would be killed, which infers that your role isn't town friendly, and once again i think you just worded it poorly, mostly pointing it out so that if it was a mistake you can learn from it, how you word things is just as important as what you say.

[gregwolf121]

also i'm wondering why you don't believe my claim?