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Days after a Satanist group expressed a desire to construct a monument on the grounds of Oklahoma's state capitol, a Hindu organization announced that they would also like a slice of that religious freedom pie.
Rajan Zed, president of the Universal Society of Hinduism, announced plans to erect a statue of the revered Hindu god Hanuman, the monkey king, outside the capitol.
Hanuman is an important deity in the Hindu pantheon. He is revered for his life of service and his devotion to the powerful god Rama.
A New York-based group of Satanists is seeking to erect its own monument at the Oklahoma State Capitol.
The Satanic Temple’s spokesperson, Lucien Greaves, said that the monument to Satan would “complement and contrast” the controversial Ten Commandments slab that has been at the capitol since last year.
“For too long, there’s been a single voice in the religious agenda,” Greaves told The News. “We want to reassert religious plurality in the U.S.”
As an Oklahoman, let me be the first to say that this will never happen, regardless of how much they push for it... Gov. Fallin is a neo-Nazi, racist, bigoted POS, and bends laws to her own whims all the time. She will not allow this to happen, even though I personally see nothing wrong with it.
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First, it's important to understand what the "Ten Commandments" are. It is a specific parsing of a specific text of the Torah (and there are a number of ways to parse the text) in order to come up with the ten "statements" that were allegedly inscribed on two tablets and put into the Ark of the Covenant (which is currently lost, although some claim it is in Ethiopia).
It is not exactly the same as a depiction of a deity (or a holy one) or any other similar type being.
Now, had that been a crucifix, or a creche, the argument would be very easy to make. It's not, so the question of a religious abstract concept being equal to a religious deity (or a holy one) or any other similar type being doesn't seen straight forward to me. Clearly a principle of the Monkey God, assuming that it was indeed one that was popular, would easily qualify, but the Monkey God himself?
First, it's important to understand what the "Ten Commandments" are. It is a specific parsing of a specific text of the Torah (and there are a number of ways to parse the text) in order to come up with the ten "statements" that were allegedly inscribed on two tablets and put into the Ark of the Covenant (which is currently lost, although some claim it is in Ethiopia).
It is not exactly the same as a depiction of a deity (or a holy one) or any other similar type being.
Now, had that been a crucifix, or a creche, the argument would be very easy to make. It's not, so the question of a religious abstract concept being equal to a religious deity (or a holy one) or any other similar type being doesn't seen straight forward to me. Clearly a principle of the Monkey God, assuming that it was indeed one that was popular, would easily qualify, but the Monkey God himself?
How can a private group decide to erect or build something on public grounds? It's not like I can go there with a bunch of fellow cc'ers and decide to construct a set of dice.
taking a break from cc, will be back sometime in the future.
patrickaa317 wrote:How can a private group decide to erect or build something on public grounds? It's not like I can go there with a bunch of fellow cc'ers and decide to construct a set of dice.
They can't. But they can petition the government and if the government denies it (while keeping the Ten Commandments), Religion X has a pretty good argument that the government is violating the establishment clause of the US Constitution.
Isn't "No statues allowed" commandment number one? If you break one right next to the checklist, then everyone's going to wonder if we get to break the other nine or not.
I already placed a statue of the great god The Invisible Pink Unicorn at the Oklahoma state capitol building. No one objected, not even the bigoted guvnah of all things christian and Oklahomian.
patrickaa317 wrote:How can a private group decide to erect or build something on public grounds? It's not like I can go there with a bunch of fellow cc'ers and decide to construct a set of dice.
They can't. But they can petition the government and if the government denies it (while keeping the Ten Commandments), Religion X has a pretty good argument that the government is violating the establishment clause of the US Constitution.
It would seem that the people trying to get their statues would actually prefer to have someone else's removed rather than theirs actually put there. Would that be a fair assessment?
taking a break from cc, will be back sometime in the future.
notyou2 wrote:I already placed a statue of the great god The Invisible Pink Unicorn at the Oklahoma state capitol building. No one objected, not even the bigoted guvnah of all things christian and Oklahomian.
Do you realize how many people routinely sue the state capitol because they keep getting injured running into that invisible pink unicorn horn?
patrickaa317 wrote:How can a private group decide to erect or build something on public grounds? It's not like I can go there with a bunch of fellow cc'ers and decide to construct a set of dice.
They can't. But they can petition the government and if the government denies it (while keeping the Ten Commandments), Religion X has a pretty good argument that the government is violating the establishment clause of the US Constitution.
It would seem that the people trying to get their statues would actually prefer to have someone else's removed rather than theirs actually put there. Would that be a fair assessment?
Yes it would. My response (were I the government) would be to put it up.
patrickaa317 wrote:How can a private group decide to erect or build something on public grounds? It's not like I can go there with a bunch of fellow cc'ers and decide to construct a set of dice.
They can't. But they can petition the government and if the government denies it (while keeping the Ten Commandments), Religion X has a pretty good argument that the government is violating the establishment clause of the US Constitution.
It would seem that the people trying to get their statues would actually prefer to have someone else's removed rather than theirs actually put there. Would that be a fair assessment?
Yes it would. My response (were I the government) would be to put it up.
Is the gov't (every taxpaying citizen paying for it) or the organization getting the petition going?
taking a break from cc, will be back sometime in the future.
patrickaa317 wrote:How can a private group decide to erect or build something on public grounds? It's not like I can go there with a bunch of fellow cc'ers and decide to construct a set of dice.
They can't. But they can petition the government and if the government denies it (while keeping the Ten Commandments), Religion X has a pretty good argument that the government is violating the establishment clause of the US Constitution.
It would seem that the people trying to get their statues would actually prefer to have someone else's removed rather than theirs actually put there. Would that be a fair assessment?
Yes it would. My response (were I the government) would be to put it up.
Is the gov't (every taxpaying citizen paying for it) or the organization getting the petition going?
No idea. Government: "Oh you want us to take down the 10 commandments by making us put up a monkey god statue? How about if we just put up the monkey god statue?"
