Czecho Slovak Fragmentation [Quenched]

[Gilligan]

I like ian's: czecho-slovak fragmentation

[Oneyed]

I like ian's: czecho-slovak fragmentation

yes sounds the best. "Czecho-Slovakia, fragmentation" sounds better to me because it has complet names of both countries in...
but if this is too complicated or comma in name is bad thing I agreed with ian´s idea.

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[Dukasaur]

this is good notice, ian and thanks for it

well, what about "Czecho-Slovakia, fragmentation"?

Oneyed

I don't think the title should have a comma in it.

Name change to me doesn't matter one way or another but I think it should be without the comma.

Could also do "Fragmentation of Czecho-Slovakia"

The latter doesn't answer iancanton's original objection, that people searching alphabetically will be looking under "C" for Czechoslovakia, not "F".

I like ian's: czecho-slovak fragmentation

yes sounds the best. "Czecho-Slovakia, fragmentation" sounds better to me because it has complet names of both countries in...
but if this is too complicated or comma in name is bad thing I agreed with ian´s idea.

Oneyed

I don't like either. It has become fashionable to hyphenate "Czecho-slovak" in the years since the breakup, but it was NEVER hyphenated while Czechoslovakia still existed.

Here, from the Wikimedia Commons, an example of a Czechoslovak passport, in Czech, Russian, French, and English:
[bigimg]http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/4/4a/Passport_ceskoslovensko_1947.jpg[/bigimg]

Czechoslovak Fragmentation sounds perfectly adequate. No comma, no hyphen, no partridge in a pear tree. Just Czechoslovak Fragmentation.

[Gilligan]

I agree with the no comma, but I think that the hyphen makes sense. Of course, I don't live there, and don't know the general rule of thumb about it there. But since that they are separated now, it might help to separate with a hyphen here.

[Oneyed]

the hyphen was (is) used in Slovak Republic. here is more about this problem:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hyphen_War

Oneyed

PS: must be name written on the map the same as official name of the map or it could stay as it is now (on map)?

[Dukasaur]

the hyphen was (is) used in Slovak Republic. here is more about this problem:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hyphen_War

Oneyed

PS: must be name written on the map the same as official name of the map or it could stay as it is now (on map)?

Very interesting. That is something I did not know. So it is all your fault....


And I am not a blue nametag, but I think there is no need to change the map. There are plenty of maps out there (Conquer Club in Space, War of the Triple Alliance, etc.) where only a short form of the name appears in the list but the map keeps the whole thing.

[betiko]

Looks wierd with a hyphen. Would look ok if it was czech-slovak, but that s the name of an ex country that i ve always seen written in 1 word.

[thenobodies80]

I think the map was updated with the latest file. Also it is now listed as Czecho Slovak Fragmentation per mapmaker request.

Nobodies

[chapcrap]

I saw the name change went through.

Here's a tournament for this map, if anyone is interested: viewtopic.php?f=90&t=191739

[iancanton]

i confirm that new games are starting with n3 on both praha and bratislava. so far, of the 15 completed games on this map that have used the new xml, starting from Game 12833388, both capitals were attacked successfully in 4 games, praha was the sole capital taken in 3 games and neither capital was occupied in 8 games. there were no games where bratislava was the sole capital taken.

ian.

[Oneyed]

i confirm that new games are starting with n3 on both praha and bratislava. so far, of the 15 completed games on this map that have used the new xml, starting from Game 12833388, both capitals were attacked successfully in 4 games, praha was the sole capital taken in 3 games and neither capital was occupied in 8 games. there were no games where bratislava was the sole capital taken.

ian.

thanks ian.
what does this mean for you. was it good change?

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[Dukasaur]

It plays really good now. I think it was a good change.

[Oneyed]

great. thanks Dukasaur

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[iancanton]

players are often using the capitals now, instead of ignoring them, so that is certainly good.

i notice that players receive 4 troops for holding Kraje (CR), but -2 troops for holding Bratislava and (CR) Kraj (without an e on the end). did u deliberately use Kraj instead of Kraje?

ian.

[melech14]

Oneyed: great map.
A couple of comments re the on-map instructions.
1) It may be better to switch the location of the SR and CR box (bottom left and top right) - since the instruction would then be closer to the area of the map; eg. CR instruction just below Czech Republic on map.
2) In the instruction at the bottom right, the rectangular Box titled REGION is a bit confusing since (I think) the term REGION is used in the CR and SR instruction as the coloured area which has 3 or 4 "towns" within.... so what is being called a REGION in the box at lower right is referred to as a "town" in the CR and SR instruction. Maybe the rectangular Box could be titled "________ town" to show that it is still a town but with special attack features.
Hope that makes sense.
Thanks for the game.

[Dukasaur]

players are often using the capitals now, instead of ignoring them, so that is certainly good.

i notice that players receive 4 troops for holding Kraje (CR), but -2 troops for holding Bratislava and (CR) Kraj (without an e on the end). did u deliberately use Kraj instead of Kraje?

ian.

Oneye is on vacation for a week, but my guess is yes. Kraj is singular and Kraje is plural.

[iancanton]

the bratislava text in the legend is -2 with every 2 kraje in the sr, with an e on the end.

ian.

[Dukasaur]

the bratislava text in the legend is -2 with every 2 kraje in the sr, with an e on the end.

ian.

Yeah, that makes sense. 1 Kraj, or 2 Kraje. It would be the same as saying in English, "-2 with every 2 counties."

[Oneyed]

Oneyed: great map.

thank you.

1) It may be better to switch the location of the SR and CR box (bottom left and top right) - since the instruction would then be closer to the area of the map; eg. CR instruction just below Czech Republic on map.

there was this thought, but I left it as it is because space. and when you divide map on upper and lower part the legends are near "their" republics, I think.

2) In the instruction at the bottom right, the rectangular Box titled REGION is a bit confusing since (I think) the term REGION is used in the CR and SR instruction as the coloured area which has 3 or 4 "towns" within.... so what is being called a REGION in the box at lower right is referred to as a "town" in the CR and SR instruction. Maybe the rectangular Box could be titled "________ town" to show that it is still a town but with special attack features.

what is REGION (with rectangular box) is explained in lower right legend. in CR and SR instruction is explained what is Kraj. maybe I could change "Kraj - coloured area with REGION and 2/3 Towns inside its border". English is not my first language, so here I need any help.

Thanks for the game.

thank you for your comments. and thank you for playing

the bratislava text in the legend is -2 with every 2 kraje in the sr, with an e on the end.

ian.

Yeah, that makes sense. 1 Kraj, or 2 Kraje. It would be the same as saying in English, "-2 with every 2 counties."

Dukasaur has it. kraj - singular (as county). kraje - plural (as counties).

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[chapcrap]

I haven't had any issues with the map or games I've played. I finished hosting a tournament and everything is going well.

[iancanton]

2) In the instruction at the bottom right, the rectangular Box titled REGION is a bit confusing since (I think) the term REGION is used in the CR and SR instruction as the coloured area which has 3 or 4 "towns" within.... so what is being called a REGION in the box at lower right is referred to as a "town" in the CR and SR instruction. Maybe the rectangular Box could be titled "________ town" to show that it is still a town but with special attack features.

what is REGION (with rectangular box) is explained in lower right legend. in CR and SR instruction is explained what is Kraj. maybe I could change "Kraj - coloured area with REGION and 2/3 Towns inside its border". English is not my first language, so here I need any help.

in the legend, replace region by land?

the bratislava text in the legend is -2 with every 2 kraje in the cr, with an e on the end.

from the log of Game 12979070: 2013-07-14 05:34:06 - RobNC17 received -2 troops for holding Bratislava and (CR) Kraj.

did u deliberately use Kraj in the xml, but Kraje in the legend?

I haven't had any issues with the map or games I've played. I finished hosting a tournament and everything is going well.

update of results: of the 25 completed 1v1, auto-placement, sequential, escalating, chained, sunny, non-trench games on this map that have used the xml with n3 for the two capitals, starting from Game 12833388, both capitals were attacked successfully in 4 games, praha was the sole capital taken in 5 games, bratislava was the sole capital taken in 5 games and neither capital was occupied in 11 games. player 1 received a slovak kraj bonus once from the drop (4% of games). player 1 won 14 out of 25, so the map certainly passes the fairness test. the only thing "wrong" is thematic: in 16 games out of 25, praha is ignored and, in 16 games out of 25, bratislava is ignored, so the negative bonus is very rarely seen for these popular settings.

will reducing the praha and bratislava neutrals from n3 to n2 help the negative bonus to play a bigger part? should we risk damaging the successful tournament experience that [player]chapcrap[/player] has had?

ian.

[Oneyed]

in the legend, replace region by land?

sounds fine. you mean replace all names REGION with LAND?

did u deliberately use Kraj in the xml, but Kraje in the legend?

I did not make xml. I am looking at xml and for positive bonus in CR is used Kraje. but for negative bonus (hold every 2 Kraje in CR with Bratislava) is used Kraj. maybe here is problem?

will reducing the praha and bratislava neutrals from n3 to n2 help the negative bonus to play a bigger part? should we risk damaging the successful tournament experience that [player]chapcrap[/player] has had?

I think we should risk this. I like the idea

thanks ian.

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[iancanton]

in the legend, replace region by land?

sounds fine. you mean replace all names REGION with LAND?

exactly!

did u deliberately use Kraj in the xml, but Kraje in the legend?

I did not make xml. I am looking at xml and for positive bonus in CR is used Kraje. but for negative bonus (hold every 2 Kraje in CR with Bratislava) is used Kraj. maybe here is problem?

yes, they're different from each other.

will reducing the praha and bratislava neutrals from n3 to n2 help the negative bonus to play a bigger part? should we risk damaging the successful tournament experience that [player]chapcrap[/player] has had?

I think we should risk this. I like the idea

u can do this at the same time as u fix the negative bonus in the xml.

ian.

[Oneyed]

here is updated xml. thanks ian for advices

last updated xml. Praha, Bratislava start n2 instead n3. corrected Kraje instead Kraj in Bratislava negative bonus.

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[V.J.]

This bonus doesn't work, I didn't get +1 Praha and 4 Towns (1)