Themeless twisted mafia Day 2. No deaths, 13/14 alive.

[TA1LGUNN3R]

I don't play defense. This is at let the second game when I have played with a group of players who don't want to make a case, and just want to sit around listing off roles.

"oh look, there was a kill... It could have been a poisoner, or a vig, or an SK, an arsonist, a PGO, an undeclared mod kill, a vig, a suicides, a lightning rod or a typo. It could also be mafia, and discussing serves no useful purpose."

The heat isn't on me. I did nothing wrong. I pointed out somebody saying "vote x because x is town" and I voted for him. If that's not a policy lynch, I don't know what is. I would kill you all if I could.

Unfortunately that's just current state of affairs, and why I haven't been playing much lately. Regardless, to say "I don't play defense" is inane. Suck it up, cupcake, sometimes the tide turns against you.

-Tails

[jonty125]

vt. claim gives you no info.

Well, I suppose it tells you if it is a non-VT game, or not.

[edocsil]

vt. claim gives you no info.

Well, I suppose it tells you if it is a non-VT game, or not.

Yaaaaaay for usefulness. Also, you have to kill them first to prove it. The actual claim tells you nothing.

[aage]

vt. claim gives you no info.

Well, I suppose it tells you if it is a non-VT game, or not.

Yaaaaaay for usefulness. Also, you have to kill them first to prove it. The actual claim tells you nothing.

I don't know what Jonty means but it would tell Doom that it isn't a non-VT game. Secondly how interested are you in another (?) to flip? (I suppose that tells us the obscuring ability wasn't one-shot...)

[edocsil]

vt. claim gives you no info.

Well, I suppose it tells you if it is a non-VT game, or not.

Yaaaaaay for usefulness. Also, you have to kill them first to prove it. The actual claim tells you nothing.

I don't know what Jonty means but it would tell Doom that it isn't a non-VT game. Secondly how interested are you in another (?) to flip? (I suppose that tells us the obscuring ability wasn't one-shot...)

Sorry, I'm missing the connection. I'm saying that VT claims suck for pretty much everyone. As for the ???, well we'll find out soon enough I suppose. Could have even be his role, rather than an ability. No idea why you are making such assumptions about the odd flip.

[spiesr]

vt. claim gives you no info.

Assuming that this is you claiming Vanilla Townie.
My question now is if you are a Vanilla Townie then why were you attempting to lie low?

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As edoc'sil pointed out earlier, isn't lying low kind of counter to the role of a Vanilla Townie?

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[DoomYoshi]

What part of "blatantly softclaim power role" don't you understand. It's in the quot-y bit.

[edocsil]

What part of "blatantly softclaim power role" don't you understand. It's in the quot-y bit.

Yeah, I think you played VT right tbh. Cards didn't really fall in your favor, but that's how it goes sometimes.

[Iron Butterfly]

vt. claim gives you no info.

Maybe not but you would think you would at least vote for the case you started??

[DoomYoshi]

Sure thing. No saving grace from superkeener so far.

vote superkeener

[superkeener]

Sure thing. No saving grace from superkeener so far.

vote superkeener

What is this supposed to mean?

[jonty125]

unvote, vote superkeener, L-2 claim time. After a bit of reading, I realise I have been doing a bit of tunnel-visioning @ Doom and have overlooked some slips by other players.

I do think he was bluffing.

Why do you think he would bluff when he said 'lynch me', its a very risky bet.

[DoomYoshi]

Sure thing. No saving grace from superkeener so far.

vote superkeener

What is this supposed to mean?

It means you have given me no reason to want to save your life.

[superkeener]

What reason have I given you for wanting to lynch me besides the fact that I voted for neb, which you and 6 others also did.

So what, if I think he was bluffing, I was not the only one voting for neb.

[aage]

What reason have I given you for wanting to lynch me besides the fact that I voted for neb, which you and 6 others also did.

So what, if I think he was bluffing, I was not the only one voting for neb.

And yet the votes are on you. I'm afraid Jonty is right.

Sorry, I'm missing the connection. I'm saying that VT claims suck for pretty much everyone. As for the ???, well we'll find out soon enough I suppose. Could have even be his role, rather than an ability. No idea why you are making such assumptions about the odd flip.

You said "yay for usefulness, also, you have to kill them to prove it, the actual claim tells you nothing". I understood Jonty was addressing Doom with "you". If he were a VT, that would tell him it's not a non-VT game, that's all. As for the odd flip, this had been discussed at length before, and I see no reason how things could have changed since the last lynch.

I don't know. Superkeener's attitude is characteristic of bad play, not necessarily bad intent. Why would anyone not bother to defend themselves?

Why is nobody friggin defending themselves in this game?

[DoomYoshi]

What reason have I given you for wanting to lynch me besides the fact that I voted for neb, which you and 6 others also did.

So what, if I think he was bluffing, I was not the only one voting for neb.

And yet the votes are on you. I'm afraid Jonty is right.

Sorry, I'm missing the connection. I'm saying that VT claims suck for pretty much everyone. As for the ???, well we'll find out soon enough I suppose. Could have even be his role, rather than an ability. No idea why you are making such assumptions about the odd flip.

You said "yay for usefulness, also, you have to kill them to prove it, the actual claim tells you nothing". I understood Jonty was addressing Doom with "you". If he were a VT, that would tell him it's not a non-VT game, that's all. As for the odd flip, this had been discussed at length before, and I see no reason how things could have changed since the last lynch.

I don't know. Superkeener's attitude is characteristic of bad play, not necessarily bad intent. Why would anyone not bother to defend themselves?

Why is nobody friggin defending themselves in this game?

But my claim tells me nothing. My role PM tells me stuff, but me claiming doesn't benefit town at all. Especially since the case was basically "you voted".

[rishaed]

Ok. To comment on my D1 neb vote issue.
When neb said this "Lynch me. I'll take shape's place." That just rubbed me the wrong way. So I was confident in voting for him, and actually I still think it was a good idea. We still don't know for sure his alignment and I am interested to see when or if it will be revealed before the game's end.

So you think he was bluffing?

Lynch me. I'll take shape's place.

you got it,

UNVOTE
VOTE NEB

that was the hammer

You said "you got it". Was that sarcasm?

Ok, here is aage/doom giving Keener an idea for a way out.

I do think he was bluffing.

This is keener taking his get out of jail free card a few posts down with a single one liner. No explanation on why he though he was bluffing, nothing other than a simple one liner.... This is mainly why i don't believe him. If you thought he was bluffing then at least say why you thought so.

This is why I am voting you. Double FoS Doom for his last post, (it in summary, is why some of us are voting Superkeener). I want a decent Defense coming from you not one liners saying, "of course I was bluffing." The Why is equally if not more important to me than the overall statement. I can analyze the Why statement and make a decision. Just saying that you were bluffing doesn't really convince me that you were.

[DoomYoshi]

why the fos on me? I don't follow.

[rishaed]

But my claim tells me nothing. My role PM tells me stuff, but me claiming doesn't benefit town at all. Especially since the case was basically "you voted".

I thought you were referring to yourself here. Correct me if I am wrong.

[safariguy5]

But my claim tells me nothing. My role PM tells me stuff, but me claiming doesn't benefit town at all. Especially since the case was basically "you voted".

I thought you were referring to yourself here. Correct me if I am wrong.

I'm confused by this statement too Doom. Are you saying that you're faking a claim here? Or is it that you know that your role will be hidden. I mean, we've only had one death here, I'd need to see at least one more death before we can assume all roles will be hidden on death.

[DoomYoshi]

@rish: I meant that people were voting me for no reason other than I was the only one voting early on.

@saf: my flip may tell you something. My claim doesn't.

[Iron Butterfly]

@rish: I meant that people were voting me for no reason other than I was the only one voting early on.

@saf: my flip may tell you something. My claim doesn't.

Not true.

Lets assume you are Town and Town does not lie. You claim VT.

Lets say you are lynched today and flip unknown, that is you flip as Neb did.

Your claim helps because it shows that we either lynched a VT or mafia. Not a big loss to Town but perhaps a big loss to Mafia.

So if we operate under the fact that Town never lies ones claim can tell us a lot.

As I stated early the game is bigger then just you. There is one person dead going into night night two, which is good for Town. I have no doubt others have information.

[superkeener]

@rishaed
I never said "I was bluffing" I think neb was bluffing on D1. This word switch has two different meanings, and if you are voting me because "I was bluffing" then your vote has not merit. but that may just be semantics.

[gregwolf121]

the question is why do you think that he was bluffing

[aage]

@saf: my flip may tell you something. My claim doesn't.

Then we might as well just lynch you and Keener and everyone else, right?

Doom, you're not making a hell of a lot of sense and you completely ignored my plead for giving actual defenses. Do you want to have a case on you? Because right now you're wasting town time. That justifies a vote DoomYoshi at this point.