[CL5] 1:KORT MVP:josko 2:ID MVP:M Chief 3:AQOH MVP:thelord

[jetsetwilly]

Just out of interest I had a look at the use of spoils so far, mainly to see how common Nukes were.

864 Games

Nukes 24 3%
No Spoils 529 61%
Escalating 206 24%
Flat Rate 105 12%

I expected to see the Nuke figure go a little higher but I guess it's still early days as far as their use in clan wars goes.



Group - 1 2 3 4 5 6
Nukes - 4 10 1 3 2 4
NS - 108 50 60 99 97 115
ESC - 24 64 48 27 25 18
Flat - 8 21 35 14 20 7

[jj3044]

Just out of interest I had a look at the use of spoils so far, mainly to see how common Nukes were.

864 Games

Nukes 24 3%
No Spoils 529 61%
Escalating 206 24%
Flat Rate 105 12%

I expected to see the Nuke figure go a little higher but I guess it's still early days as far as their use in clan wars goes.



Group - 1 2 3 4 5 6
Nukes - 4 10 1 3 2 4
NS - 108 50 60 99 97 115
ESC - 24 64 48 27 25 18
Flat - 8 21 35 14 20 7

Very interesting stats. I think our games are singlehandedly boosting the results, because every one of our games so far has been either nuke or esc...

[Qwert]

round 1 and 2)
QG1
GR-DBC 6-2-----f
PIG-LEG 6-1----d
PIG-TOFU 4-4----f
LEG-CF 4-4------f
TOFU-GR 5-2----d
DBC-CF 6-2-----f

QG2
LOTZ-MB 7-1-----f
EMP-TLW 3-5-----f
MYTH-WAR 5-3----f
MYTH-EMP 5-3----f
WAR-MB 4-4-----f
TLW-LOTZ 5-3----f

QG3
FOED-SOH 7-1----f
AFOS-FOED 5-2----d
ID-DYN 6-0--------d
SOH-UM8 4-4-----f
DYN-UM8 6-2-----f
ID-AFOS 4-4------f

QG4
FALL-RA 6-2-----f
AOC-FALL 2-6----f
VDLL-AOK 4-4-----f
RA-AOK 5-2------d
LOW-VDLL 6-1----d
LOW-AOC 3-3

QG5
TFFS-OTP 4-4---f
IA-MD 6-1------d
MM-AQOH 4-4----f
TFFS-IA 0-6------d
MD-MM 3-4
OTP-AQOH 5-3----f

QG6
LHDD-DB 4-4----f
OSA-HH 7-1-----f
OSA-KORT 1-7---f
HH-DB 4-4------f
KORT-TNC 5-3---f
TNC-LHDD 6-2----f
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f----finished
d----decided


QG1
R3
GR-PIG 2-6------f
LEG-DBC 5-2-----d
CF-TOFU 1-5-----d
R4
TOFU-LEG 4-1
CF-GR 1-5------d
DBC-PIG 3-5----f

QG2
R3
TLW-MYTH 4-4----f
WAR-LOTZ 5-3-----f
MB-EMP 2-5-------d
R4
EMP-WAR 4-1
MB-TLW 3-4
LOTZ-MYTH 1-7----f

QG3
R3
FOED-ID 3-3
DYN-SOH 3-3
UM8-AFOS 1-5------d
R4
AFOS-DYN 6-0------d
UM8-FOED 3-3
SOH-ID 5-1--------d

QG4
R3
FALL-LOW 1-4
VDLL-RA 1-5-----d
AOK-AOC 1-5-----d
R4
AOC-VDLL 4-1
AOK-FALL 3-4
RA-LOW 0-4

QG5
R3
MD-TFFS 4-3
OTP-MM 5-2-------d
AQOH-IA 2-4
R4
IA-OTP 4-2
AQOH-MD 2-5-------d
MM-TFFS 3-2

QG6
R3
TNC-OSA 4-1
HH-LHDD 2-4
DB-KORT 0-7----d
R4
KORT-HH 7-1-----f
DB-TNC 3-4
LHDD-OSA 3-2

[TheSaxlad]

Not to many surprises here yet.

expected... TLW beating Empire is the biggest one so far... then you guys beating AOC... maybe tie between PIG and TOFU
i think by the end we will see 12 strongest teams advancing. TOFU, PIG, EMP, MYTH, AFOS, ID, AOC, FALL, IA, OTP, KORT, OSA... maybe FOED instead of ID, LOW instead of FALL.

Im biased but I think you writing off TNC now is a bit short-sighted. look at our results...

[Qwert]

f----finished
d----decided

QG1
R5
GR-LEG 0-0
PIG-CF 0-0
DBC-TOFU 1-0
R6
DBC-GR 0-1
TOFU-PIG 0-0
CF-LEG 0-3

QG2
R5
TLW-WAR 0-1
MYTH-MB 1-0
LOTZ-EMP 0-1
R6
LOTZ-TLW 1-2
EMP-MYTH 0-0
MB-WAR 0-2

QG3
R5
FOED-DYN 0-1
ID-UM8 1-0
SOH-AFOS 0-0
R6
SOH-FOED 0-0
AFOS-ID 0-0
UM8-DYN 0-0

QG4
R5
FALL-VDLL 0-0
LOW-AOK 0-0
RA-AOC 0-0
R6
RA-FALL 0-0
AOC-LOW 0-0
AOK-VDLL 0-0

QG5
R5
MD-OTP 0-0
TFFS-AQOH 0-0
MM-IA 0-0
R6
MM-MD 2-0
IA-TFFS 0-1
AQOH-OTP 0-1

QG6
R5
TNC-HH 1-0
OSA-DB 0-1
LHDD-KORT 0-0
R6
LHDD-TNC 0-1
KORT-OSA 1-0
DB-HH 1-0

[Qwert]

News- Empire and AOC withdraw from competition , and all hes played games will not be count.
QG2 and QG4 continue like 5th team groups. Qualification for Premier-Second-Third league stay same.
1st and 2nd will qualify for Premier
3rd and 4th will qualify for Second
5th will qualify for Third

[chapcrap]

News- Empire and AOC withdraw from competition , and all hes played games will not be count.
QG2 and QG4 continue like 5th team groups. Qualification for Premier-Second-Third league stay same.
1st and 2nd will qualify for Premier
3rd and 4th will qualify for Second
5th will qualify for Third

What about qualification for a medal? We have less games now because of this, so we should either get to submit games with our players and have those count towards the game count or have a lowered game count down from 14. I recommend the former, but am fine with a game count of 12 instead of 14.

[josko.ri]

News- Empire and AOC withdraw from competition , and all hes played games will not be count.
QG2 and QG4 continue like 5th team groups. Qualification for Premier-Second-Third league stay same.
1st and 2nd will qualify for Premier
3rd and 4th will qualify for Second
5th will qualify for Third

This is very unfair decision.

With this, the decision to sign out from CL5 will screw total conception of CL5.

What I suggest to make it more fair?

Scenario 1: Just finish normal their group matches. After that, for example if both AOC and EMP qualify in top 2 places, then award 2 the best 3rd placed clans of all 6 groups to enter in Division 1 in their place. Also award 2 the best 5th placed clans to enter to Division 2. Why that scenario is better than your decision? With your decision, some lower clans who had luck just to be draw into group with AOC/EMP wil now get golden ticket to Division 1. it is a big favor to them and huge unfavor to lower clans from other groups who need to beat one of top clans in order to enter Division 1.

Scenario 2: The same like Scenario 1, but can allow the new clan to continue competition in CL5 under new name. How? Award them place in Division 1 or Division 2 according to their the lowest placement in Phase 1. For example, if both AoC and EMP finishes second in their group then the new clan has legal right to be in Division 1, so there will still be one empty place which goes to the best 3rd placed clan. It is not favor to the new clan, it is harder way to achieve 2 times in 2 different groups placement in top 2, than to do it just one time like other clans need toi do in order to qualify for Div 1. If for example one clan finishes 1st and other clan finishes 3rd, then award the new clan place in Division 2 and also the best 3rd placed clan award the empty place in Division 1.

This will for sure in the best way hold the integrity of the tournament. Otherwise some clans will have way too big favor and groups will be very imbalanced. Your decision means that someone ranked lower than #24 in QG2 will have ensured place in Division 1, while someone ranked higher than #17 in QG6 will need to have a very hard fight in order to qualify for Division 1.

[Qwert]

qualification group phase
25*8=200 spots


League phase
Premier-25*22= 550 spots

Second-25*22=550 spots

third-25*18=450 spots

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Total spots (Q+L) are 750 or 650 if you continue in third league.

game distribution per player
Low have 26 member (28 per player or 25 per player)
Fallen have 26 member (28 per player or 25 per player)
Risk have 20 member (37 per player or 32 per player)
VDLL have 34 member (22 per player or 19 per player)
AOK have 20 member (37 per player or 32 per player)

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consider that each player need to have minimum 14 played games to be qualify for medal award, still nobody are affected , and rule stay same.

[chapcrap]

qualification group phase
25*8=200 spots


League phase
Premier-25*22= 550 spots

Second-25*22=550 spots

third-25*18=450 spots

------------------------------

Total spots (Q+L) are 750 or 650 if you continue in third league.

game distribution per player
Low have 26 member (28 per player or 25 per player)
Fallen have 26 member (28 per player or 25 per player)
Risk have 20 member (37 per player or 32 per player)
VDLL have 34 member (22 per player or 19 per player)
AOK have 20 member (37 per player or 32 per player)

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consider that each player need to have minimum 14 played games to be qualify for medal award, still nobody are affected , and rule stay same.

Consider that we lose 50 game spots. It's silly for us not to be able to use those. I'll submit my games against AoC for qualification in order to have my clan not lose out on game spots.

[BGtheBrain]

*****

[josko.ri]

Not a very fair shake to the others, but I dont know what else you can do about it.

There is a fair way to all, which needs just a little good will and honesty from organizer and from AoC and EMP to be done in reality. EMP and AOC may play in old roster the remaining 32 games (is it too much to ask?) just to determine placement which they would got in their group. then their vacated places fill with the best next placed clans from any group. for example, if AOC finish first in the group, it means they earned place in Division 1, so then give it to the best placed #3 their place. if they finish 3rd in the group, then they earned position in Division 2, in which case their position can be taken by the best placed #5 clan. And you have the most fair solution for everyone in given circumstances.

Scenario 1: Just finish normal their group matches. After that, for example if both AOC and EMP qualify in top 2 places, then award 2 the best 3rd placed clans of all 6 groups to enter in Division 1 in their place. Also award 2 the best 5th placed clans to enter to Division 2. Why that scenario is better than your decision? With your decision, some lower clans who had luck just to be draw into group with AOC/EMP wil now get golden ticket to Division 1. it is a big favor to them and huge unfavor to lower clans from other groups who need to beat one of top clans in order to enter Division 1.

[BGtheBrain]

*****

[Qwert]

decision are made, and its will stay.

[BGtheBrain]

*****

[chapcrap]

qualification group phase
25*8=200 spots


League phase
Premier-25*22= 550 spots

Second-25*22=550 spots

third-25*18=450 spots

------------------------------

Total spots (Q+L) are 750 or 650 if you continue in third league.

game distribution per player
Low have 26 member (28 per player or 25 per player)
Fallen have 26 member (28 per player or 25 per player)
Risk have 20 member (37 per player or 32 per player)
VDLL have 34 member (22 per player or 19 per player)
AOK have 20 member (37 per player or 32 per player)

-----------------------------------------------------
consider that each player need to have minimum 14 played games to be qualify for medal award, still nobody are affected , and rule stay same.

Consider that we lose 50 game spots. It's silly for us not to be able to use those. I'll submit my games against AoC for qualification in order to have my clan not lose out on game spots.

decision are made, and its will stay.

Well this is not a very smart decision. We end up having 6% less game spots than other clans if we're in the top two leagues and 19% less game spots if in the bottom league and we have to keep the same medal qualification rules? First of all, that's not fair. Second, I don't think it's your decision on who is eligible for medals. It's the CDs.

[Qwert]

qualification group phase
25*8=200 spots


League phase
Premier-25*22= 550 spots

Second-25*22=550 spots

third-25*18=450 spots

------------------------------

Total spots (Q+L) are 750 or 650 if you continue in third league.

game distribution per player
Low have 26 member (28 per player or 25 per player)
Fallen have 26 member (28 per player or 25 per player)
Risk have 20 member (37 per player or 32 per player)
VDLL have 34 member (22 per player or 19 per player)
AOK have 20 member (37 per player or 32 per player)

-----------------------------------------------------
consider that each player need to have minimum 14 played games to be qualify for medal award, still nobody are affected , and rule stay same.

Consider that we lose 50 game spots. It's silly for us not to be able to use those. I'll submit my games against AoC for qualification in order to have my clan not lose out on game spots.

decision are made, and its will stay.

Well this is not a very smart decision. We end up having 6% less game spots than other clans if we're in the top two leagues and 19% less game spots if in the bottom league and we have to keep the same medal qualification rules? First of all, that's not fair. Second, I don't think it's your decision on who is eligible for medals. It's the CDs.

Ok, i dont know what you play, but these mine last post

decision are made, and its will stay.

are related on AOC-EMP case, so what are your game here?

[Qwert]

f----finished
d----decided

QG1
R5
GR-LEG 0-1
PIG-CF 0-0
DBC-TOFU 1-1
R6
DBC-GR 0-1
TOFU-PIG 1-0
CF-LEG 1-3

QG2
R5
TLW-WAR 1-2
MYTH-MB 2-0
R6
LOTZ-TLW 1-3
MB-WAR 0-5----------d

QG3
R5
FOED-DYN 0-2
ID-UM8 1-0
SOH-AFOS 0-1
R6
SOH-FOED 0-1
AFOS-ID 1-0
UM8-DYN 1-2

QG4
R5
FALL-VDLL 0-0
LOW-AOK 0-0
R6
RA-FALL 0-1
AOK-VDLL 0-0

QG5
R5
MD-OTP 1-2
TFFS-AQOH 1-1
MM-IA 0-0
R6
MM-MD 2-0
IA-TFFS 0-1
AQOH-OTP 0-1

QG6
R5
TNC-HH 3-0
OSA-DB 0-1
LHDD-KORT 0-0
R6
LHDD-TNC 1-1
KORT-OSA 1-1
DB-HH 1-1

[Crazyirishman]

According to josko, this is our division now:

[angola]

We were headed toward second or third place in our division anyway. I think it's a tad unfair to act as though Fallen and LOW were guaranteed to finish below us.

[chemefreak]

All -

Do not fret regarding medal eligibility. We will appropriately consider all participants for medals, especially in light of the changes that are happening. No need to submit phantom lists of players and games. It will all work out in the end. I promise. Thanks!

Nick

[IcePack]

We were headed toward second or third place in our division anyway. I think it's a tad unfair to act as though Fallen and LOW were guaranteed to finish below us.

Yeah, AOC is a great and respected clan but there was a good chance of the above happening.
Auto deciding that FALL and LOW would somehow fail to have a chance @ #1 is pretty poor choice based on results so far.

[Crazyirishman]

We were headed toward second or third place in our division anyway. I think it's a tad unfair to act as though Fallen and LOW were guaranteed to finish below us.

Yeah, AOC is a great and respected clan but there was a good chance of the above happening.
Auto deciding that FALL and LOW would somehow fail to have a chance @ #1 is pretty poor choice based on results so far.

Thanks Angola,

I think that it would have been a bit of a 3 way dogfight for the top 2 spots, likely coming down to a tiebreaker. Our division was a bit tougher from the start because of the way the seedings worked out.

[josko.ri]

We were headed toward second or third place in our division anyway. I think it's a tad unfair to act as though Fallen and LOW were guaranteed to finish below us.

Yeah, AOC is a great and respected clan but there was a good chance of the above happening.
Auto deciding that FALL and LOW would somehow fail to have a chance @ #1 is pretty poor choice based on results so far.

What about clan who will end 5th will now get golden ticket to Division 2? I used example how it is unfair someone who ends 3rd gets entrance to Div1 but the same unfairmess is someone 5th enter Div2

[jj3044]

Not a very fair shake to the others, but I dont know what else you can do about it.

There is a fair way to all, which needs just a little good will and honesty from organizer and from AoC and EMP to be done in reality. EMP and AOC may play in old roster the remaining 32 games (is it too much to ask?) just to determine placement which they would got in their group. then their vacated places fill with the best next placed clans from any group. for example, if AOC finish first in the group, it means they earned place in Division 1, so then give it to the best placed #3 their place. if they finish 3rd in the group, then they earned position in Division 2, in which case their position can be taken by the best placed #5 clan. And you have the most fair solution for everyone in given circumstances.

Scenario 1: Just finish normal their group matches. After that, for example if both AOC and EMP qualify in top 2 places, then award 2 the best 3rd placed clans of all 6 groups to enter in Division 1 in their place. Also award 2 the best 5th placed clans to enter to Division 2. Why that scenario is better than your decision? With your decision, some lower clans who had luck just to be draw into group with AOC/EMP wil now get golden ticket to Division 1. it is a big favor to them and huge unfavor to lower clans from other groups who need to beat one of top clans in order to enter Division 1.

I'll just respond to this post quick... it actually would have been both EMP and AOC's preference to not drop out, but we had to weigh our options here. If either/both of us had continued in the league and had active EMP or AOC clan games going, we would not be able to enter the Conquorer's Cup as we still had active games going. To us, participating in the CC was more important.