Time Warp Mafia Endgame: Town Wins

[Kanin Usagi]

And honestly Newguy1, I'm sorry if you're town, but this is the only way to be sure we can avoid any remaining night kills and also get ourselves into a position to vote out a mafia member if you aren't.

[new guy1]

I completely understand that plan Kanin, and I will volunteer for it if thats what it takes. Unvote, vote new guy1. Good catch on that one, and hopefully theres not a hidden mechanic in the game.

[betiko]

I will unvote for the moment!

[edocsil]

Or there are 2 scum left.

[betiko]

Or there are 2 scum left.

well if there are 2 scums left the only way to win would be to kill NG first. Anyway; I'll go with the safe and logical bet kanin spotted (well done mate!). No reason we don't reach day 7 by killing NG, then we will have all roles revealed and will just need to kill jonty...... oh he is a double voter though...

doom can you clarify something: if we reach the final day with kanin, myself and jonty, and that he gets to double vote, that would be 2-2. in case of tie mafia would win right?

[betiko]

nah there is a flaw in kanin's plan. We know for sure there is a mafia role that screws up votes (double voter, vote stealer or whatever it is). There is no safe vote.
I'll go with my gut feeling and vote jonty.
Each time I don't go with my gut feeling in this situation I end up regreting it.

[jonty125]

vote edocsil

He lies,
N5 - pcm
N1 - pcm
N2 - nobody (forgot to send action; just checked with Doom)
N6 - Nendreel

[edocsil]

vote edocsil

He lies,
N5 - pcm
N1 - pcm
N2 - nobody (forgot to send action; just checked with Doom)
N6 - Nendreel

My actions
N5 ~ Dead
N1 Jonty Received no visit back.
N2 No action, Was confused on the day.
N6 Dead ~ Targeted betico, but I was dead so...

Jonty, I really hope you didn't screw up the timestamps on the PMs, because from where I'm at it looks like you have clearly lied.

[DoomYoshi]

Or there are 2 scum left.

well if there are 2 scums left the only way to win would be to kill NG first. Anyway; I'll go with the safe and logical bet kanin spotted (well done mate!). No reason we don't reach day 7 by killing NG, then we will have all roles revealed and will just need to kill jonty...... oh he is a double voter though...

doom can you clarify something: if we reach the final day with kanin, myself and jonty, and that he gets to double vote, that would be 2-2. in case of tie mafia would win right?

There can't be a tie due to timestamps. The order matters.

[Kanin Usagi]

vote edocsil

He lies,
N5 - pcm
N1 - pcm
N2 - nobody (forgot to send action; just checked with Doom)
N6 - Nendreel

This pretty much confirms to me that you're scum. Edoc has already been killed, remember? Now you're just trying to end the game with a time paradox so that everyone loses.

Anyway, there's only four living players left. We need to get rid of the two that we know may not be town, and that's newguy1 and Jonty. Get rid of newguy1 and if we haven't ended it, get rid of Jonty.

[edocsil]

Or there are 2 scum left.

well if there are 2 scums left the only way to win would be to kill NG first. Anyway; I'll go with the safe and logical bet kanin spotted (well done mate!). No reason we don't reach day 7 by killing NG, then we will have all roles revealed and will just need to kill jonty...... oh he is a double voter though...

doom can you clarify something: if we reach the final day with kanin, myself and jonty, and that he gets to double vote, that would be 2-2. in case of tie mafia would win right?

There can't be a tie due to timestamps. The order matters.

ie, we cant let jonty live. He can solo win if he is scum

[DoomYoshi]

Vote Count

jonty (2) - , betiko, edocsil
new guy1(2) - Kanin, new guy
edocsil (1) - jonty

With 9 alive, it takes 5 to lynch.

[Kanin Usagi]

Or there are 2 scum left.

well if there are 2 scums left the only way to win would be to kill NG first. Anyway; I'll go with the safe and logical bet kanin spotted (well done mate!). No reason we don't reach day 7 by killing NG, then we will have all roles revealed and will just need to kill jonty...... oh he is a double voter though...

doom can you clarify something: if we reach the final day with kanin, myself and jonty, and that he gets to double vote, that would be 2-2. in case of tie mafia would win right?

There can't be a tie due to timestamps. The order matters.

So are you saying that as long as betiko and myself both vote for Jonty before a (possible) double vote by him, we would succeed in a lynch?

[DoomYoshi]

All I am saying is that whoever votes first, gets their votes counted first. The first lynch to be reached is the one that gets a scene for it. It's the same as every other mod does it...

[betiko]

vote edocsil

He lies,
N5 - pcm
N1 - pcm
N2 - nobody (forgot to send action; just checked with Doom)
N6 - Nendreel

This pretty much confirms to me that you're scum. Edoc has already been killed, remember? Now you're just trying to end the game with a time paradox so that everyone loses.

Anyway, there's only four living players left. We need to get rid of the two that we know may not be town, and that's newguy1 and Jonty. Get rid of newguy1 and if we haven't ended it, get rid of Jonty.

dude, if we kill NG, we reach day 7 and then if he's quick enough he places his double vote and we lose. seriously, it's got to be jonty. or if we kill NG we got to be really fast once doom posts the day scene. if one of us doesn't make it before jonty we lose..

[betiko]

other scenario, they are both scum in that case kill ng first and be on the lookout for doom's scene...

[Kanin Usagi]

other scenario, they are both scum in that case kill ng first and be on the lookout for doom's scene...

^Exactly. If they're both scum and we lynch jonty, it goes to a night and we could be screwed. This plan gives us the best chance (i like to think) of winning.

[new guy1]

Well, I will say I am not mafia, but I trust you guys enough to lynch jonty before the the scene if you still want to go through with kanins plan.

[betiko]

i really doubt NG is mafia, and all points out jonty is. my only problem is if they're both.

He has much more chances than us to place his double vote next day than us; we need both of us to do it before him which gives pretty bad odds. I stay with my vote on jonty, he is scum. we take a risk either way.

[new guy1]

I will unvote for in case you guys arent going to lynch me. If you decide you still want to, then I will place my vote back.

[Kanin Usagi]

Unvote. I'll discuss this with betiko.

[betiko]

basically here is the deal:

1) NG first
pros: we reach the final day knowing everybody's role and with just jonty to lynch if it's not game over. If they are both mafia it's the only way to win.
cons: if jonty votes before both of us mafia wins.

2)Jonty first
pros: there has been a double voter all game and his claim + slips make us think it's him
cons: if he is not scum or if they are both scum we lose

I'd like other people's opinion, like nendreel's

[Nendreel]

basically here is the deal:

1) NG first
pros: we reach the final day knowing everybody's role and with just jonty to lynch if it's not game over. If they are both mafia it's the only way to win.
cons: if jonty votes before both of us mafia wins.

2)Jonty first
pros: there has been a double voter all game and his claim + slips make us think it's him
cons: if he is not scum or if they are both scum we lose

I'd like other people's opinion, like nendreel's

1): If NG1 gets lynched now, I don't think all the roles will be revealed. There'll still be the N3 gap because of either you or Kanin being alive. Also if you go to D7 at all knowing the roles won't matter as the only person left is jonty.

2)Whether double voter or vote stealer, he'll have two votes on D7, and you and Kanin have to get your votes in before him.

So, going by what edoc said jonty hasn't gone anywhere, this would mean he's a natural DV rather than a VS. That means we only have one Power we know about in the works, and it seems to be jonty. If NG1 has an ability it hasn't manifested itself yet. NG1 was also willing to vote himself when the idea first came up and I don't think mafia would lynch themselves, especially if the only possibility of a Town win was by killing NG1 first.

My gut says jonty is the last mafia, but if you and Kanin believe you can get your votes in before jonty then I would suggest taking a guaranteed win.

[betiko]

none is a guaranteed win, both are a gamble. I prefer gambling that jonty is the only mafia left, kanin prefers gambling that we will both vote before jonty.
I would be much more pissed if we have the game in hand and either of us show up in time and wait in vain for the partner to show up before jonty..

[jonty125]

TBH, I think edoc/newguy is one of the remaining scum, lynching me would also effectively lynch edoc but I'm still concerned newguy has pulled the wool over our eyes.