TRAFALGAR [12.4.2012] QUENCHED (V65)

[crazymilkshake5]

Congratz mate!

[cairnswk]

=D> Congratz mate!

Thank-you

[cairnswk]

Quick question (sorry to bug you) re Trafalgar which I reckon you know the answer to. Have gone thru reams of the 57 pages of foundry stuff but cannot find any mention of whether half a flagship (e.g. Victory stern) counts as 1 Brit ship towards the bigger Brit bonus, or do I need to hold all of Victory for it to count as 1 Brit ship towards the Brit bonus? Makes a world of difference and it's not clear on the map key at all. I know I need the whole ship for the smaller +2 bonus, but wondered about the bigger one. Thanks btw...it's easily one of your most beautiful maps. Love the gameplay and the recreation of this chapter in history, staying true to vessels' names (e.g. the captured Swiftsure). Quite brilliant mate - you've quite a gift there.

Chariot Of Fire, thank-you for the kudos...greatly appreciated.
I have always looked at the xml to discover where components of continent bonuses lay.
The xml link was on the front page, but i have now place another section on front page which is the XML code for continent bonuses. You will find that any part of the bow or stern contributes to the various large bonuses.
Hope this helps.

PS. but that is not what the map says...map says each flagship counts toward fleet bonus (imlying the whole ship - two territories)
as the xml is written now, i beleive either bow or stern can contribute to the bonus, so that needs to change.

[cairnswk]

tnb80...there is an error in the xml for Trafalgar...noticed by Chariot of Fire...thanks CoF

the error relates to the how the Flagships contribute to the bonus for the national weather and lee lines.
in V65 xml (in play now), each bow and stern territory was individually listed in the required numbers for the bonus.
in V66 xml, the whole flagship is lilsted as being required as the flagship continent name is now in the required numbers for the national bonus on weather and lee line.
the difference simply goes to naming, but it now means you have to hold the whole flagship instead of individual parts.
This was how the map was intended to work in the first place.
Apologies to all punters out there.
The fix is in the file attached. PLease discuss and check before sending to lackattack.

[greenoaks]

i think the thumbnail of the map looks weird.

it looks naked without those big red letters across it.

[cairnswk]

i think the thumbnail of the map looks weird.

it looks naked without those big red letters across it.

Ah, greenoaks...not on board with what you're saying here??

[thenobodies80]

i think he means the Beta label

[thenobodies80]

The fix is in the file attached. PLease discuss and check before sending to lackattack.

Cairnswk, the file is not valid

Error: Continent British Weather Line has component (B) Victory which does not exist as a territory
Error: Continent French Weather Line has component (F) Bucentaure which does not exist as a territory
Error: Continent Spanish Weather Line has component (S) Santissima Trinidad which does not exist as a territory
Error: Continent British Lee Line has component (B) Royal Sovereign which does not exist as a territory
Error: Continent French Lee Line has component (F) Algésiras which does not exist as a territory
Error: Continent Spanish Lee Line has component (S) Principe de Asturias which does not exist as a territory

Please fix these errors and I'll recheck it, send to lackattack etc etc

Thanks
Nobodies

[cairnswk]

The fix is in the file attached. PLease discuss and check before sending to lackattack.

Cairnswk, the file is not valid

Error: Continent British Weather Line has component (B) Victory which does not exist as a territory
Error: Continent French Weather Line has component (F) Bucentaure which does not exist as a territory
Error: Continent Spanish Weather Line has component (S) Santissima Trinidad which does not exist as a territory
Error: Continent British Lee Line has component (B) Royal Sovereign which does not exist as a territory
Error: Continent French Lee Line has component (F) Algésiras which does not exist as a territory
Error: Continent Spanish Lee Line has component (S) Principe de Asturias which does not exist as a territory

Please fix these errors and I'll recheck it, send to lackattack etc etc

Thanks
Nobodies

Oh tnb80, i'm so sorry,
i put the continents in the continents bonus but forgot to change the <territory> tags to <continent> tags.
this attached file works better i beleive.

[Agent 86]

on the duplicate names...there are only two, they are two different colours, and some distance apart...at some time i beleive that even with situation being of historical nature, players must also take some responsibility to examine what they are doing to ascertain the difference between the two duplicates.

I am happy to leave things as is, unless there is a hurricane force for change.

I just got duplicated, never realized there were 2 Neptunes..it's cost my team any chance of victory now. I looked at the map, saw Neptune was were I needed to deploy. Deployed and found out there are 2 of them..not a nice way to find out.

So my choice is to not playing this one again, just stupid in my opinion.

86

[cairnswk]

on the duplicate names...there are only two, they are two different colours, and some distance apart...at some time i beleive that even with situation being of historical nature, players must also take some responsibility to examine what they are doing to ascertain the difference between the two duplicates.

I am happy to leave things as is, unless there is a hurricane force for change.

I just got duplicated, never realized there were 2 Neptunes..it's cost my team any chance of victory now. I looked at the map, saw Neptune was were I needed to deploy. Deployed and found out there are 2 of them..not a nice way to find out.

So my choice is to not playing this one again, just stupid in my opinion.

86

One is at the top of the map coloured yellow and marked (S) Neptuno in the xml list.
Another is at the side of the map coloured blue just below the Weather Line and marked (F) Neptune in the xml list.
The third is below the one at the top coloured red and marked (B) Neptune in the xml list.
I'd say you only have yourself to blame for your team's loss for not looking carefully enough at what you were doing.
Surely the country indicator at the front should have told you something, but then perhaps you didn't look well enough at what you were doing, and that is and always has been a player responsibility.
Sorry for your choice not to play, but stupid choice also.
cairnswk.

[thenobodies80]

Sent the updated xml to Lack, sorry for the delay.

[cairnswk]

Sent the updated xml to Lack, sorry for the delay.

NP, thanks

[agentcom]

So, each flagship, which is composed of a bow and a stern counts as a single ship for the purposes of calculating the Fleet Bonuses (Lee and Weather), right?

I'm in a game where I have 7 French Weather Line territs, but 1 of those is half of the Bucentaure. I am not being awarded the bonus and I am assuming that is why.

You can check out the snap I posted in public in Game 11719903 if you would like to see what I'm talking about.

[isaiah40]

Correct as it says in the legend:

[SirSebstar]

is it true that you can have only1 fleet bonus? if yes then, this is something that should be mentioned on the map somewhere.
out of 7 possible places, i hold 5, but i am not getting the Spanish Weather Line (3) bonus.

OR is it with the last chance, that a flagship is now counted only ONCE instead of 2 territs, and that you therefor need 5 non flagship places or 4 non flagship places and a full flagship?

just wondering why this map ever went out of beta

[chapcrap]

is it true that you can have only1 fleet bonus? if yes then, this is something that should be mentioned on the map somewhere.
out of 7 possible places, i hold 5, but i am not getting the Spanish Weather Line (3) bonus.

OR is it with the last chance, that a flagship is now counted only ONCE instead of 2 territs, and that you therefor need 5 non flagship places or 4 non flagship places and a full flagship?

just wondering why this map ever went out of beta

You have to have both portions of the flagship for the bonus to count. See here:

Quick question (sorry to bug you) re Trafalgar which I reckon you know the answer to. Have gone thru reams of the 57 pages of foundry stuff but cannot find any mention of whether half a flagship (e.g. Victory stern) counts as 1 Brit ship towards the bigger Brit bonus, or do I need to hold all of Victory for it to count as 1 Brit ship towards the Brit bonus? Makes a world of difference and it's not clear on the map key at all. I know I need the whole ship for the smaller +2 bonus, but wondered about the bigger one. Thanks btw...it's easily one of your most beautiful maps. Love the gameplay and the recreation of this chapter in history, staying true to vessels' names (e.g. the captured Swiftsure). Quite brilliant mate - you've quite a gift there.

Chariot Of Fire, thank-you for the kudos...greatly appreciated.
I have always looked at the xml to discover where components of continent bonuses lay.
The xml link was on the front page, but i have now place another section on front page which is the XML code for continent bonuses. You will find that any part of the bow or stern contributes to the various large bonuses.
Hope this helps.

PS. but that is not what the map says...map says each flagship counts toward fleet bonus (imlying the whole ship - two territories)
as the xml is written now, i beleive either bow or stern can contribute to the bonus, so that needs to change.

tnb80...there is an error in the xml for Trafalgar...noticed by Chariot of Fire...thanks CoF

the error relates to the how the Flagships contribute to the bonus for the national weather and lee lines.
in V65 xml (in play now), each bow and stern territory was individually listed in the required numbers for the bonus.
in V66 xml, the whole flagship is lilsted as being required as the flagship continent name is now in the required numbers for the national bonus on weather and lee line.
the difference simply goes to naming, but it now means you have to hold the whole flagship instead of individual parts.
This was how the map was intended to work in the first place.
Apologies to all punters out there.
The fix is in the file attached. PLease discuss and check before sending to lackattack.

[SirSebstar]

is it true that you can have only1 fleet bonus? if yes then, this is something that should be mentioned on the map somewhere.
out of 7 possible places, i hold 5, but i am not getting the Spanish Weather Line (3) bonus.

OR is it with the last chance, that a flagship is now counted only ONCE instead of 2 territs, and that you therefor need 5 non flagship places or 4 non flagship places and a full flagship?

just wondering why this map ever went out of beta

You have to have both portions of the flagship for the bonus to count. See here:
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this does not awnser it.
I have held the FULL flagship AND 3 more ships. out of the 7 possible places i therefor hold the required 5.
UNLESS the FLAGship, consisting of 2 TWO pieces counts as ONE, and therefor the +3 bonus is actually for 6 area's

[cairnswk]

is it true that you can have only1 fleet bonus? if yes then, this is something that should be mentioned on the map somewhere.
out of 7 possible places, i hold 5, but i am not getting the Spanish Weather Line (3) bonus.

OR is it with the last chance, that a flagship is now counted only ONCE instead of 2 territs, and that you therefor need 5 non flagship places or 4 non flagship places and a full flagship?

just wondering why this map ever went out of beta

You have to have both portions of the flagship for the bonus to count. See here:
.

this does not awnser it.
I have held the FULL flagship AND 3 more ships. out of the 7 possible places i therefor hold the required 5.
UNLESS the FLAGship, consisting of 2 TWO pieces counts as ONE, and therefor the +3 bonus is actually for 6 area's

For Spanish weather line, you must hold 2 territories as the flagship plus 4 others.
It says 5 Spanish +3
therefore if the flagship (2territories) counts as one vessel towards the fleet bonus then it makes sense that you would need 4 other also.

[SirSebstar]

i was under the impression that it was not mandatory to own the flagship for the line bonus.
making it part of the bonus actually extends the line for bonus purposes(in fact it makes the bonus per territ less, but this is slightly offset by the +1 for holding a full flagship.

in the future i woud go for the non flagship parts of the bonus though. its just not worth it otherwise

[chapcrap]

You do not have to have the flagship for a bonus inherently. However, the flagship counts as 1 ship. So, if you have both portions of the flagship, that counts as 1 ship, not 2. I feel like the quotes I made answered that question very specifically. Maybe it didn't though.

I know from experience, you do not have to have the flagship. If you do, it counts as 1 ship, not 2.