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I just finished reading this article on the National Post and was impressed both with its wordiness and its accurate (imho) summary description of Canada's position in relation to the situation unfolding in the US. Enjoy!
As many commentators have opined, Canadians should not become smug because Canada has fared relatively well in the Great Recession since 2008. Canada has been as fortunate as it has been wise, above all in having the United States, rather than more historically aggressive countries, as a neighbour; in having the British as the originating force for Canadian institutions and laws; and in being a treasure house of natural resources. It might even, someday, be seen as an advantage to have a viable French contingent of the population. It would require a preternaturally inept people to misplay this geopolitical hand.

It is notorious that most Canadians are to some degree anti-American, though most are also appreciators of America, and this makes the present election in the United States, unfathomably banal though the campaign has been so far, a matter of legitimate comfort to most Canadians. Canada has been to some degree the beneficiary of the self-imposed decline of America these past 15 years. It is a continuing struggle to persuade Canadians that they may safely liberate themselves from the impulse not to aspire to anything more ambitious in the world than to tug at the trouser-leg of the Americans. Canada entrusted its national security entirely to the United States in the 1930s, and through the end of the Cold War, and pulled its weight sometimes, and sometimes not. And the extent of its independence was mainly posturing through the United Nations in the role of peacekeeper.

Canada was for most of its history a branch-plant economy, where except for the railways and the resources companies attached to them, and the banks, steel companies, media and the main retailers, all was in the hands of foreigners, mainly Americans. George Grant and other authentic Canadian intellectual conservative nationalists, and centrists like Walter Gordon, and more strident nationalists of the left like Mel Hurtig and Bob White, railed and caviled and almost despaired, but it is clearer now than ever that Canada can quickly found and grow businesses, and much of the concern about foreign ownership was exaggerated. Some Canadian nationalists of the past, like Goldwyn Smith, became so exasperated that they thought we would be better selling the whole shooting match to the United States, so talented Canadians could aspire to great power and celebrity within what was after the U.S. Civil War one of the greatest powers in the world. Even I thought we were better off at least raising the possibility of moving closer to the Americans than diluting Confederation to tasteless constitutional gruel through endless concessions to the Quebec separatists.

With the first Gulf War and the implosion of the Soviet Union in 1990 and 1991, the United States arrived at the undisputed summit of the world, with dissident students in Prague and even Moscow uplifting themselves by reading aloud the works of Lincoln and Jefferson, and with the surge of prestige that accrued to the United States as its only remaining rival crumbled. But the United States has fumbled away its gentle overlordship of the world these last 15 years. Huge current account deficits and colossal federal budget deficits arose, and while the United Sates is generally successful in real wars, its habit of calling policy attacks on sociological problems “wars” has led to the conspicuous failures of the wars on crime, poverty and drugs.

The Canadian dollar has risen from 65¢ American to par, and Canada’s comparative standard of living has inched upwards, and its wealth is much more evenly distributed. The jagged nature of American democracy left 40 million African Americans unsegregated but still the subject of institutionalized discrimination, and 70% of people with magnificent (free) medical care and 30% with access to care but on a pretty stingy and erratic basis. American education has become very uneven, American justice has degenerated into a turkey shoot for the benefit of a prosecutorial class that terrorizes the country and has given America 10 times the average number of incarcerated people per capita of other advanced prosperous democracies. Sixty million basic manufacturing and service jobs have been out-sourced while 20 million unskilled peasants were admitted illegally to the country, and trillions of dollars of worthless real estate-backed securities inundated the world, pumped out by Wall Street and certified as investment grade, almost asphyxiating the American financial industry while trillions of dollars and thousands of American lives were squandered in the sanguinary Quixotry of nation-building in the Middle and Near East.

And now, in an astounding demonstration of national fecklessness, a failed president is running slightly ahead in the polls of a challenger who has a real CV, unlike recent presidents, but who is so politically oafish and plastic, he makes Elmer Fudd seem charismatic. The incumbent has raised the national debt by 50% on what had accumulated in the 220 years of American independence prior to four years ago — that is $17,000 for every man, woman and child in the United States, in just four years. And Mr. Obama’s tocsin is the comprehensive assertion that: “Experts agree that my plan will reduce the deficit by $4-trillion.” These magic 13 words confirm the reduction of the deficit from $1.5-trillion annually to $1.1-trillion annually in the next ten years, in a country that four years ago had a money supply of only $900-billion.

About 70% of the American deficit is “bought” directly or through the banking system by the Treasury’s 100% subsidiary, the Federal Reserve, and the minimal interest paid on it is recycled back through the Federal Reserve to the Treasury, so the cost of borrowing is zero. It is the ultimate Ponzi scheme, the fiscal nirvana of endless, mountainous debt, rendered easily bearable because it doesn’t cost anything. It is a fraud, a mirage. It all possesses the hypnotic allure of the Gotterdammerung — as the Gods ascend to a burning Valhalla. If this administration is re-elected, Canada, as it has for the entire mighty spectacle of the inexorable rise of the United States, will have the ring-side seat for a disaster. Prudent, hesitant Canada, ran 14 federal government surpluses in a row. We are the pigs in the brick house — it isn’t a heroic position, neither daring nor stylish, but Canadians are peering through the portals of their stout solid home, transfixed and astonished.

The fact that Willard M. Romney is still running almost even in the polls despite his demiurgic implausibility as a candidate, afflicted by a one-person pandemic of foot-in-mouth disease, illustrates the concern of the American voters. Either Romney lucks through and numerate sanity starts to return to American public life, or the most self-destructively incompetent regime since James Buchanan brought on the Civil War, will come back and stoke up a truly spectacular inferno that will purify America in a mighty economic Jonestown. There will be no more tugging at a trouser leg from Canada — either a comradely pat on the back, or a neighbourly blast with a fire extinguisher, but this operatic crescendo can’t continue for one more full act.


I dare you to try saying this one sentence in single breath:
Sixty million basic manufacturing and service jobs have been out-sourced while 20 million unskilled peasants were admitted illegally to the country, and trillions of dollars of worthless real estate-backed securities inundated the world, pumped out by Wall Street and certified as investment grade, almost asphyxiating the American financial industry while trillions of dollars and thousands of American lives were squandered in the sanguinary Quixotry of nation-building in the Middle and Near East.

And I especially liked this line:
And now, in an astounding demonstration of national fecklessness, a failed president is running slightly ahead in the polls of a challenger who has a real CV, unlike recent presidents, but who is so politically oafish and plastic, he makes Elmer Fudd seem charismatic.


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If this administration is re-elected, Canada, as it has for the entire mighty spectacle of the inexorable rise of the United States, will have the ring-side seat for a disaster. Prudent, hesitant Canada, ran 14 federal government surpluses in a row. We are the pigs in the brick house — it isn’t a heroic position, neither daring nor stylish, but Canadians are peering through the portals of their stout solid home, transfixed and astonished.
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>mfw Canada will be destroyed in a nuclear war as well as the US

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If this administration is re-elected, Canada, as it has for the entire mighty spectacle of the inexorable rise of the United States, will have the ring-side seat for a disaster. Prudent, hesitant Canada, ran 14 federal government surpluses in a row. We are the pigs in the brick house — it isn’t a heroic position, neither daring nor stylish, but Canadians are peering through the portals of their stout solid home, transfixed and astonished.


A couple problems ...

    (1) Canada is an export driven economy and 74% of their exports flow into the United States. If (when) the USA collapses, Canada will follow within months, possibly weeks, maybe days.

    (2) Throughout the whole of history, every nation has done what it needs to do can do to survive. If the time were to come that the USA needed Canada's "stout solid home," it will just take it. Unlike a border spat between Botswana and Namibia - where the wise local hegemon, South Africa, could offer a tempered voice, or the UN could be called in or international resolve could be summoned - there is no higher authority to which Canada could appeal for aid, intervention or relief. Canada is like Corsica before the army of France. It draws breath only as long as the U.S. doesn't need that air.
Canada has bound itself into a suicide pact with the USA from which it is utterly impossible to emerge. Canadians should have more than an academic interest in the inevitable collapse of the United States, they should be in utter panic and hysteria.
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Oh wait - Ray Rider, you cheeky monkey, this was all a set-up! I just noticed the byline on this article ... Conrad Black - a guy who renounced his Canadian citizenship, who declared Canada was a "raving third world cess-pool run by a gang of socialist lunatics" and who spent 5 years in a US prison. LMAO. Good one, Ray! CHEEKY! :P
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If this administration is re-elected, Canada, as it has for the entire mighty spectacle of the inexorable rise of the United States, will have the ring-side seat for a disaster. Prudent, hesitant Canada, ran 14 federal government surpluses in a row. We are the pigs in the brick house — it isn’t a heroic position, neither daring nor stylish, but Canadians are peering through the portals of their stout solid home, transfixed and astonished.


A couple problems ...

    (1) Canada is an export driven economy and 74% of their exports flow into the United States. If (when) the USA collapses, Canada will follow within months, possibly weeks, maybe days.

    (2) Throughout the whole of history, every nation has done what it needs to do can do to survive. If the time were to come that the USA needed Canada's "stout solid home," it will just take it. Unlike a border spat between Botswana and Namibia - where the wise local hegemon, South Africa, could offer a tempered voice, or the UN could be called in or international resolve could be summoned - there is no higher authority to which Canada could appeal for aid, intervention or relief. Canada is like Corsica before the army of France. It draws breath only as long as the U.S. doesn't need that air.
Canada has bound itself into a suicide pact with the USA from which it is utterly impossible to emerge. Canadians should have more than an academic interest in the inevitable collapse of the United States, they should be in utter panic and hysteria.

As for #1, yes, we will be struck with collateral damage while sitting on our front-row seat to this disaster, but Canada has been gradually moving apart from the US, both as Obama & NAFTA have shafted Canada in various trade/diplomatic disputes and especially in recent years as Harper has been in a frenzy working out free-trade deals with other countries around the world. It is not enough, but at least we're beginning to move in the right direction. As for #2, the possibility of the US seizing Canada by force is so remote it's not worth discussing.

saxitoxin wrote:Oh wait - Ray Rider, you cheeky monkey, this was all a set-up! I just noticed the byline on this article ... Conrad Black - a guy who renounced his Canadian citizenship, who declared Canada was a "raving third world cess-pool run by a gang of socialist lunatics" and who spent 5 years in a US prison. LMAO. Good one, Ray! CHEEKY! :P

lol oh are you trying to validate the new name of this forum, ad hominem? If the name continues to have this affect on people, I'll have to request that the name be changed again.
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If this administration is re-elected, Canada, as it has for the entire mighty spectacle of the inexorable rise of the United States, will have the ring-side seat for a disaster. Prudent, hesitant Canada, ran 14 federal government surpluses in a row. We are the pigs in the brick house — it isn’t a heroic position, neither daring nor stylish, but Canadians are peering through the portals of their stout solid home, transfixed and astonished.


A couple problems ...

    (1) Canada is an export driven economy and 74% of their exports flow into the United States. If (when) the USA collapses, Canada will follow within months, possibly weeks, maybe days.

    (2) Throughout the whole of history, every nation has done what it needs to do can do to survive. If the time were to come that the USA needed Canada's "stout solid home," it will just take it. Unlike a border spat between Botswana and Namibia - where the wise local hegemon, South Africa, could offer a tempered voice, or the UN could be called in or international resolve could be summoned - there is no higher authority to which Canada could appeal for aid, intervention or relief. Canada is like Corsica before the army of France. It draws breath only as long as the U.S. doesn't need that air.
Canada has bound itself into a suicide pact with the USA from which it is utterly impossible to emerge. Canadians should have more than an academic interest in the inevitable collapse of the United States, they should be in utter panic and hysteria.

As for #1, yes, we will be struck with collateral damage while sitting on our front-row seat to this disaster, but Canada has been gradually moving apart from the US, both as Obama & NAFTA have shafted Canada in various trade/diplomatic disputes and especially in recent years as Harper has been in a frenzy working out free-trade deals with other countries around the world. It is not enough, but at least we're beginning to move in the right direction. As for #2, the possibility of the US seizing Canada by force is so remote it's not worth discussing.


The scenario Lord Black presents is one in which all bets are off, civilization as we've known it is in a tailspin. The idea that the U.S. will be consumed by political and economic disorder - engulfed in fire - and yet politely respect Canadian sovereignty is completely unknown at any time in human history. The U.S. has shown it doesn't need to exert force on Canada, it simply needs to issue commands, and Canada obeys for practical reasons of rational inter-state relations (see: Keystone, DHS information sharing and 20 other examples from the last 4 years I could cite). To think this situation won't be exacerbated following collapse is hilarious.

Canadians are not spectators with a front-row seat. Canadians are right in the ring. You don't want to watch a supernova from next door - you want to be light years away. Canada is probably in the world's worst position after Mexico to watch what's about to happen. Here's a video of Canada after the US collapses: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iH1oArE1aKM&t=1m37s

As for everything else, there's nothing ad hom about what I said, this is all factual: the author of the article you're citing renounced his Canadian citizenship, called Canada a "third world cess pool" and spent 5 years in a U.S. prison. These are all matters of historical record. Let me know if you'd like me to provide links.
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And, BTW, your economic dependence on the U.S. isn't getting better.

In 2009 62% of your economy was dependent on exports to the U.S., this has grown to 70% by 2010 and remained steady there throughout 2011.

Imagine a situation arising in which more than 2/3 of your economy simply vanished overnight. You have no other land borders so that means you don't have the luxury of years with which to develop new outlets and partners. Canada would simply cease to exist. This isn't hyperbole, this is an easy-to-grasp reality.
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Ray Rider wrote:lol oh are you trying to validate the new name of this forum, ad hominem? If the name continues to have this affect on people, I'll have to request that the name be changed again.

I think the name change was more in way of warning than anything else... I don't see anything different in the content of these posts
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saxitoxin wrote:And, BTW, your economic dependence on the U.S. isn't getting better.

In 2009 62% of your economy was dependent on exports to the U.S., this has grown to 70% by 2010 and remained steady there throughout 2011.

Imagine a situation arising in which more than 2/3 of your economy simply vanished overnight. You have no other land borders so that means you don't have the luxury of years with which to develop new outlets and partners. Canada would simply cease to exist. This isn't hyperbole, this is an easy-to-grasp reality.


maybe parts of the US would succeed and join Canada.
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saxitoxin wrote:And, BTW, your economic dependence on the U.S. isn't getting better.

In 2009 62% of your economy was dependent on exports to the U.S., this has grown to 70% by 2010 and remained steady there throughout 2011.

Imagine a situation arising in which more than 2/3 of your economy simply vanished overnight. You have no other land borders so that means you don't have the luxury of years with which to develop new outlets and partners. Canada would simply cease to exist. This isn't hyperbole, this is an easy-to-grasp reality.


maybe parts of the US would succeed and join Canada.


This is a popular Canadian nationalist fantasy but it's not one that's supported by any episode in human history. Small nations break-apart and are magnetized to larger nations, not the other way around. The difference in size between the U.S. and Canada is the difference in size between France and Belgium. The idea that Champagne and Burgundy would break-off France and join tiny little Belgium - a nation already being torn apart by linguistic separatism (like Canada) - is funny but not realistic.

When we're very close to a situation it's best to look at an analogous situation instead (like France and Belgium) to see if the scenario we're imagining passes the smell test in the analogy or not.

That said, when Quebec declares independence I do believe B.C., Alberta, SK and Manitoba will move to join the U.S. within a period of 15-25 years. Geographically split nations usually don't survive long (e.g. Pakistan and Bangladesh; Gaza and the West Bank, etc.). I think Ontario and the maritimes will remain part of an Atlantic-facing Canada. It will be interesting to see who retains control of the resource-rich Arctic.
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I will plug Canada and appreciate they have been very smart about their business and their spreadsheet and expectations of future events and acted accordingly to the best of their abilities.

I very much wish America had taken steps even somewhat in the direction that Canada has taken. I am tragically sad that America went in the complete opposite direction, and seems very much to want to travel even further down our current road of exponentially growing debt. It won't be long until we are swallowed by our interest payments.

No matter what happens, I am sticking it out here. I'm not going anywhere. When the time comes to pay the piper, we are going to need people in place who wish to address the issue, and not people who will trade away our assets just so they can live the good life for a little while longer.

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Baron Von PWN wrote:maybe parts of the US would succeed and join Canada.


:lol:

Why would they want to join Canada when they're being successful?
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Baron Von PWN wrote:maybe parts of the US would succeed and join Canada.


:lol:

Why would they want to join Canada when they're being successful?


When I read it, it seemed to me that was how he thought they were going to be successful. <grin>
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Ray Rider wrote:As for #1, yes, we will be struck with collateral damage while sitting on our front-row seat to this disaster, but Canada has been gradually moving apart from the US, both as Obama & NAFTA have shafted Canada in various trade/diplomatic disputes and especially in recent years as Harper has been in a frenzy working out free-trade deals with other countries around the world. It is not enough, but at least we're beginning to move in the right direction. As for #2, the possibility of the US seizing Canada by force is so remote it's not worth discussing.


Obama's unilateral decision to reject the Keystone Pipeline has provided Canada with a massive incentive to find other trading partners in the world, which will just further decrease their dependence on exports to the US.
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I should think that some other country would intervene if the US started a hostile takeover of Canada? Doesn't anyone else but the US have anything vested in Canada? If they are so resource rich it seems someone would benefit from protecting them from the US. Almost seems like the US would become the odd man out so to speak.
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Funkyterrance wrote:I should think that some other country would intervene if the US started a hostile takeover of Canada? Doesn't anyone else but the US have anything vested in Canada? If they are so resource rich it seems someone would benefit from protecting them from the US. Almost seems like the US would become the odd man out so to speak.


A few months ago, the Chinese Chief of Staff visited Australia and said they needed to choose if they "wanted the US to be their daddy or China" (he even used the word daddy which was a shocking moment of honesty for a politician).

Canada doesn't really have that choice. Their geographic isolation means they can either sell to a US market three kilometers away for full price or lose half the value of their own resources shipping them two thousand kilometers to unload them on economies with only half the purchasing power.

Also - Canada may not even have functional sovereignty. According to a CSIS report, 20% of provincial premiers are "under the control of foreign governments." If they're posting that information publicly, imagine how dire the situation is behind closed doors.

(I'm on my phone so can't post sources but just enter relevant search terms in the CBC website.)

Overall, Canada is an extremely dangerous position. It may not last much longer.
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A few months ago, the Chinese Chief of Staff visited Australia and said they needed to choose if they "wanted the US to be their daddy or China" (he even used the word daddy which was a shocking moment of honesty for a politician).

Canada doesn't really have that choice. Their geographic isolation means they can either sell to a US market three kilometers away for full price or lose half the value of their own resources shipping them two thousand kilometers to unload them on economies with only half the purchasing power.

Also - Canada may not even have functional sovereignty. According to a CSIS report, 20% of provincial premiers are "under the control of foreign governments." If they're posting that information publicly, imagine how dire the situation is behind closed doors.

(I'm on my phone so can't post sources but just enter relevant search terms in the CBC website.)

Overall, Canada is an extremely dangerous position. It may not last much longer.


Does this apply to oil as well? From what I understand they have a sizable reserve. Don't many nations get their oil from far-away lands? This seems like an important point since theoretically speaking oil will become more scarce/valuable as time passes.
Btw, thanks for the explanations. :)
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Funkyterrance wrote:
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A few months ago, the Chinese Chief of Staff visited Australia and said they needed to choose if they "wanted the US to be their daddy or China" (he even used the word daddy which was a shocking moment of honesty for a politician).

Canada doesn't really have that choice. Their geographic isolation means they can either sell to a US market three kilometers away for full price or lose half the value of their own resources shipping them two thousand kilometers to unload them on economies with only half the purchasing power.

Also - Canada may not even have functional sovereignty. According to a CSIS report, 20% of provincial premiers are "under the control of foreign governments." If they're posting that information publicly, imagine how dire the situation is behind closed doors.

(I'm on my phone so can't post sources but just enter relevant search terms in the CBC website.)

Overall, Canada is an extremely dangerous position. It may not last much longer.


Does this apply to oil as well? From what I understand they have a sizable reserve. Don't many nations get their oil from far-away lands? This seems like an important point since theoretically speaking oil will become more scarce/valuable as time passes.
Btw, thanks for the explanations. :)


Libya tried to sell oil to China and was punished severely by the US. The entire world right now are just extras in a movie starring the US and China. The US needs China to give them money so they can live lavishly. China needs the US to live lavishly so they keep buying their cheap products. The US Leader Class (Obama, Romney, etc.) realizes US survival depends on keeping the status quo which means China can't be allowed the access to cheap oil that would allow them to develop themselves beyond a manufacturing economy. Ergo, the US is artificially driving up the price of oil around the world. This involves destabilizing oil regions, refusing to mine their own substantial Arctic and Dakota reserves, vetoing Canada's Keystone pipeline, etc.

    China is the only oil consumer other than the US that could take Canadian oil and the US will never, ever let that happen. China is trying to outmaneuver U.S. - for instance, they're buying anything in Canada that isn't nailed down - but they have an uphill battle. The U.S. needs to create global chaos to drive-up commodities prices, China needs to impose order to flatline them. Chaos is easier than order.
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saxitoxin wrote:
Baron Von PWN wrote:
saxitoxin wrote:And, BTW, your economic dependence on the U.S. isn't getting better.

In 2009 62% of your economy was dependent on exports to the U.S., this has grown to 70% by 2010 and remained steady there throughout 2011.

Imagine a situation arising in which more than 2/3 of your economy simply vanished overnight. You have no other land borders so that means you don't have the luxury of years with which to develop new outlets and partners. Canada would simply cease to exist. This isn't hyperbole, this is an easy-to-grasp reality.


maybe parts of the US would succeed and join Canada.


This is a popular Canadian nationalist fantasy but it's not one that's supported by any episode in human history. Small nations break-apart and are magnetized to larger nations, not the other way around. The difference in size between the U.S. and Canada is the difference in size between France and Belgium. The idea that Champagne and Burgundy would break-off France and join tiny little Belgium - a nation already being torn apart by linguistic separatism (like Canada) - is funny but not realistic.

When we're very close to a situation it's best to look at an analogous situation instead (like France and Belgium) to see if the scenario we're imagining passes the smell test in the analogy or not.

That said, when Quebec declares independence I do believe B.C., Alberta, SK and Manitoba will move to join the U.S. within a period of 15-25 years. Geographically split nations usually don't survive long (e.g. Pakistan and Bangladesh; Gaza and the West Bank, etc.). I think Ontario and the maritimes will remain part of an Atlantic-facing Canada. It will be interesting to see who retains control of the resource-rich Arctic.


So, Ontario and the Maritimes will throw in their lot with the ocean? I don't think that's possible. Who do you see about joining the ocean?
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Funkyterrance wrote:I should think that some other country would intervene if the US started a hostile takeover of Canada? Doesn't anyone else but the US have anything vested in Canada? If they are so resource rich it seems someone would benefit from protecting them from the US. Almost seems like the US would become the odd man out so to speak.


A few months ago, the Chinese Chief of Staff visited Australia and said they needed to choose if they "wanted the US to be their daddy or China" (he even used the word daddy which was a shocking moment of honesty for a politician).

Canada doesn't really have that choice. Their geographic isolation means they can either sell to a US market three kilometers away for full price or lose half the value of their own resources shipping them two thousand kilometers to unload them on economies with only half the purchasing power.

Also - Canada may not even have functional sovereignty. According to a CSIS report, 20% of provincial premiers are "under the control of foreign governments." If they're posting that information publicly, imagine how dire the situation is behind closed doors.

(I'm on my phone so can't post sources but just enter relevant search terms in the CBC website.)

Overall, Canada is an extremely dangerous position. It may not last much longer.


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BigBallinStalin wrote:Can't find it! Drop that sauce, baby!


Sauce dropped like xeno in the top bunk at summer camp -



Just yesterday - since I posted the link in a prior message about the Chinese PLA purchasing a Canadian oil franchise - (almost as if they're reading this board and want to validate poor ol' Sax! :P ) CSIS released another report warning that foreign governments are seeking to acquire strategic sectors of the Canadian economy for nefarious purposes. For Canada it's not a simple question of "oh well, the U.S. won't let us build Keystone so we'll just sell oil elsewhere!" That's why the U.S. had no problem vetoing Keystone. They knew Canada has nowhere else to "safely" turn.

Canada is in an unenviable position. It is a very small country that is of great strategic interest to the U.S. and, therefore, China as well. Canada is an over-40 league co-rec swimmer from the Saskatoon YMCA trying to compete in the Olympics. CSIS didn't say who the "foreign governments" controlling provincial ministers are but it's obviously either the US, China or Russia. The only publicized instance of Canada running an intelligence operation against the U.S. was back in the '90's after they discovered The Octopus was in Canada. After the US FBI found out the RCMP was investigating that subject, a RCMP officer was deported from the US and the investigation shut-down by a US-friendly Progressive-Conservative government.

Theories about worse penetration become speculative or hinge on testimony of individual whistleblowers that - in the absence of unhindered access to information - can't be verified and are easier to denounce so I'll keep it to just the facts from the MSM and end it here w/o editorial comment.
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Pack Rat wrote:if it quacks like a duck and walk like a duck, it's still fascism

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