Mongol Empire Map [Quenched]

d.gishman · Post by **d.gishman** » Mon Apr 23, 2007 9:45 pm

Option 1 is clearly better than the rest in my opinion

Bavarian Raven · Post by **Bavarian Raven** » Mon Apr 23, 2007 10:20 pm

love it all...can't wait to play...looks good enough for me right now...

t.e.c · Post by **t.e.c** » Mon Apr 23, 2007 11:43 pm

i voted for number one, but it does look a lot like a large cloud.

hulmey · Post by **hulmey** » Tue Apr 24, 2007 3:59 pm

yeah that looks kinda what im looking for and im sure Guiscard could spruce it up...But i still feel the angle wouldnt be right due to placing of other 3d objects!

But if he could give it a go it would be much appreciated..

Guiscard · Post by **Guiscard** » Tue Apr 24, 2007 4:23 pm

hulmey wrote:yeah that looks kinda what im looking for and im sure Guiscard could spruce it up...But i still feel the angle wouldnt be right due to placing of other 3d objects!

But if he could give it a go it would be much appreciated..

I think a big long dune like that shown in the India map is just gonna make it seem like some kind of big 'dyke' of sand... The desert covers a pretty huge area in this map, and I really think just a single dune would look ridiculous.

I genuinely do want to satisfy everyone here, but the poll does show the large majority of people approve of the first option, and I also believe that (in this case) I can argue that option 1 is the most fitting too.

cairnswk · Post by **cairnswk** » Tue Apr 24, 2007 6:09 pm

Guiscard...congratulations on Final Forge....with regard the desert, to my eye none of the options is appealing as they don't fit in with the style of the mountains and great wall, consequently i didn't vote. here's my why....the mountains are clearly defined. the great wall is clear although just not quite the same style as mountains but very acceptable...the desert, i think, needs to be a series of differing undulating low curves similar to your mountains with shadow to the left...option 1, i think is starting to get there as I can see some undulation happening with shadow kind of stuff in the bluriness....too fuzzy around the edges. Hope this helps! Otherwise looking tremendous

hulmey · Post by **hulmey** » Wed Apr 25, 2007 5:15 am

i agree with Cairnswick and having been saying the same for the last 10 - 15 pages.

joeyjordison · Post by **joeyjordison** » Wed Apr 25, 2007 12:46 pm

would it be a possibility to simply leave out any marking of the desert and continue the background image across that area? i think this would look far better than the possible 3 options.

Guiscard · Post by **Guiscard** » Sun Apr 29, 2007 8:49 am

OK once more I'm at a bit of a standstill...

The vote says go with option 1, the diffused borders (and this is certainly my favourite) but there are still people who want a different desert. I'm gonna have to take some time to think about what I can do at this point...

jnd94 · Post by **jnd94** » Sun Apr 29, 2007 8:51 am

well you cant please everyone, might as well go with the majority

hulmey · Post by **hulmey** » Sun Apr 29, 2007 9:02 am

the poll was wrong in the first place becauase none of the examples look good on the map...You have put alot of hard work in this map Guiscard and it is a beautiful map...So you really need to get it right!!

Look at cairnswick comments, because i agree 100% with them

The1exile · Post by **The1exile** » Sun Apr 29, 2007 2:46 pm

Guiscard wrote:OK once more I'm at a bit of a standstill...

The vote says go with option 1, the diffused borders (and this is certainly my favourite) but there are still people who want a different desert. I'm gonna have to take some time to think about what I can do at this point...

Can't you blend the two? Like have diffused borders with shading around the edge or something?

KEYOGI · Post by **KEYOGI** » Sun Apr 29, 2007 2:48 pm

hulmey wrote:the poll was wrong in the first place becauase none of the examples look good on the map

I disagree. Option 1 is clearly winning in the voting and it is most fitting with the map. It has dunes, is a desert colour and doesn't clash at all with any other part of the map. I really don't understand what all the fuss is about.

Lone.prophet · Post by **Lone.prophet** » Sun Apr 29, 2007 3:32 pm

change it back to the first one ever, this just looks like a pile of dump

Guiscard · Post by **Guiscard** » Sun Apr 29, 2007 7:55 pm

OK. I've decided after much deliberation and advice to go with the vote winner, option 1. This is personally my favourite, and I believe it fits with the rest of the map, is not overly intrusive and maintains a 'desert' feel without looking too flat or like a sandy version of the mountains. I know not everyone will be happy with this but I'm afraid there is a complete lack of consensus and I'm making this decision myself.

I've added the gobi desert label back in so as no-body is gonna get confused, and there should be absolutely no problem with it being considered a territory as there is no army circle and no army numbers are present.

Other changes that have been made are the addition of a little credit to Johloh in the top right corner and the changing of the name Fukien to Fujian, which is more accurate and widely used.

I will now post the xml and then the large and small versions with and without army numbers.

Guiscard · Post by **Guiscard** » Sun Apr 29, 2007 7:57 pm

Code: Select all

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<title>The Mongol Empire</title>
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<smallheight>314</smallheight>
<largewidth>800</largewidth>
<largeheight>418</largeheight>
<filetype>jpg</filetype>
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<name>Golden Horde</name>
<bonus>5</bonus>
−
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<component>Moscow</component>
<component>Crimea</component>
<component>Bolgar</component>
<component>Astrakhan</component>
<component>Uzbeg</component>
<component>White Horde</component>
<component>Yenisay</component>
<component>Alans</component>
</components>
</continent>
−
   <continent>
<name>Ilkhanate</name>
<bonus>5</bonus>
−
   <components>
<component>Lu-Mi Rum</component>
<component>Kara Yusuf</component>
<component>Baghdad</component>
<component>Khurasan</component>
<component>Khorazm</component>
<component>Kirman</component>
<component>Samarkand</component>
<component>Fars</component>
</components>
</continent>
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<name>Chaghadi Khanate</name>
<bonus>4</bonus>
−
   <components>
<component>Kara Khitai</component>
<component>Uigur</component>
<component>Kashgar</component>
<component>Kabul</component>
<component>Tian Shan</component>
</components>
</continent>
−
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<name>Great Khanate</name>
<bonus>3</bonus>
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   <components>
<component>Naimans</component>
<component>Kurkis</component>
<component>Bargu</component>
<component>Karakorum</component>
<component>Onggt</component>
<component>Merkits</component>
</components>
</continent>
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<name>Yuan Khanate</name>
<bonus>6</bonus>
−
   <components>
<component>Himalayas</component>
<component>Idiqut</component>
<component>Inner Tibet</component>
<component>Yugor</component>
<component>Lhasa</component>
<component>Henan</component>
<component>Dali</component>
<component>Fujian</component>
</components>
</continent>
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<name>Jin</name>
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<component>Nuzhen</component>
<component>Korea</component>
<component>Keraits</component>
<component>Khanbaliq</component>
</components>
</continent>
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<border>Astrakhan</border>
<border>Alans</border>
</borders>
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<border>Uzbeg</border>
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<border>Khorazm</border>
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<border>Kurkis</border>
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<border>Uigur</border>
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<border>Khurasan</border>
<border>Kirman</border>
<border>Lhasa</border>
<border>Uigur</border>
</borders>
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<border>Yenisay</border>
<border>Naimans</border>
<border>Tian Shan</border>
<border>Kashgar</border>
<border>Uigur</border>
<border>Khorazm</border>
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<border>Samarkand</border>
<border>Khorazm</border>
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<border>Tian Shan</border>
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<border>Uigur</border>
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<border>Kashgar</border>
<border>Tian Shan</border>
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<border>Kabul</border>
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<border>Karakorum</border>
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<border>Idiqut</border>
<border>Inner Tibet</border>
<border>Kabul</border>
</borders>
−
   <coordinates>
<smallx>329</smallx>
<smally>258</smally>
<largex>441</largex>
<largey>336</largey>
</coordinates>
</country>
</map>

Guiscard · Post by **Guiscard** » Sun Apr 29, 2007 8:06 pm

johloh · Post by **johloh** » Sun Apr 29, 2007 8:16 pm

there are some issues with the centering in the xml...im not sure if that was my original mistake or if some things have been changed...i'll correct those...

KEYOGI · Post by **KEYOGI** » Sun Apr 29, 2007 8:17 pm

Looks great. I was just about to mention the coordinates, but johloh beat me to it.

Wisse · Post by **Wisse** » Mon Apr 30, 2007 5:15 am

one thing bothers me, on the right site of the legend you have a border from the unplayable land could you delete that (sorry for bad english)

hulmey · Post by **hulmey** » Mon Apr 30, 2007 2:27 pm

desert looks really bad..Sorry but im sure you could better!!

Lone.prophet · Post by **Lone.prophet** » Mon Apr 30, 2007 2:39 pm

serious the desert looks worst than my borders find an alternative

hulmey · Post by **hulmey** » Mon Apr 30, 2007 2:43 pm

i think you should try something different to the desert!!! Or at least hold a poll...Somewhere along the lines of

Sould the desert stay or should i try something else in place of it?

Yes or No

Not bothered

The1exile · Post by **The1exile** » Mon Apr 30, 2007 2:45 pm

KEYOGI wrote:Looks great. I was just about to mention the coordinates, but johloh beat me to it.

I agree! Great work Guis.

Keep the desert as is.

hulmey · Post by **hulmey** » Mon Apr 30, 2007 2:47 pm

wouldnt it be good to see a alternative the1??

Considering there are so many people that dont like any 3 of the versions!!!