Psychology Mafia ~ Game Over, Mafia Victory

[zimmah]

Wait, so all it says is that edoc is unhappy? So have you deduced that that is Sadness? I'm not so sure that is a mafia role. Maybe some sort of suicidal third party role, but I think it's not so clear cut as mafia.

Sadness is a negative emotion, and if it's not controlled it can lead to serious problems.

[DiM]

Wait, so all it says is that edoc is unhappy? So have you deduced that that is Sadness? I'm not so sure that is a mafia role. Maybe some sort of suicidal third party role, but I think it's not so clear cut as mafia.

Sadness is a negative emotion, and if it's not controlled it can lead to serious problems.

if not controlled, any emotion can lead to serious problems.

[zimmah]

Wait, so all it says is that edoc is unhappy? So have you deduced that that is Sadness? I'm not so sure that is a mafia role. Maybe some sort of suicidal third party role, but I think it's not so clear cut as mafia.

Sadness is a negative emotion, and if it's not controlled it can lead to serious problems.

if not controlled, any emotion can lead to serious problems.

Love cant

[DiM]

Wait, so all it says is that edoc is unhappy? So have you deduced that that is Sadness? I'm not so sure that is a mafia role. Maybe some sort of suicidal third party role, but I think it's not so clear cut as mafia.

Sadness is a negative emotion, and if it's not controlled it can lead to serious problems.

if not controlled, any emotion can lead to serious problems.

Love cant

not speaking about the game here but i'm pretty sure love is one of the worst emotions when it comes to causing problems.

remember love doesn't necessarily mean boy meets girl, fall in-love live happily ever after.

you can also love throwing grenades in public or banging sheep, and while one is far worse than the other, neither is something worth bragging about.

[zimmah]

Your idea of love is the Eros kind of love, however, think in terms of agape.

[strike wolf]

"Heaven has no rage like love turned to hatred."

[vodean]

so love could be 3rd party or cult...

[zimmah]

so love could be 3rd party or cult...

Love is purest emotion of all, sadness is likely to be scum.

No matter how you put it, love just can't be wrong.

[jak111]

so love could be 3rd party or cult...

Love is purest emotion of all, sadness is likely to be scum.

No matter how you put it, love just can't be wrong.

It's actually the most dirtiest emotion out there. With love there are many downsides to it, the fact that you're being overly defensive proves that it may not be the good role here.

I think if we don't get anywhere in the next real life day, I'm putting pressure back onto both of them for a ROLE claim. Something isn't adding up here.

[safariguy5]

so love could be 3rd party or cult...

Love is purest emotion of all, sadness is likely to be scum.

No matter how you put it, love just can't be wrong.

It's actually the most dirtiest emotion out there. With love there are many downsides to it, the fact that you're being overly defensive proves that it may not be the good role here.

I think if we don't get anywhere in the next real life day, I'm putting pressure back onto both of them for a ROLE claim. Something isn't adding up here.

I agree. What about pedophilia? Or necrophilia? Low hanging fruit here, but too much of any emotion is dangerous. Best way to clear someone is through game actions/investigations, arguing that love is town and sadness is mafia based solely on flavor spec I don't think will work this game because it's not 100% clear what constitutes a "positive" emotion and what constitutes a "negative" one. Anything to extremes is negative.

[Campin_Killer]

Sadness could be scum, however, love can make people do crazy things.

"Vengence is mine, saith the Lord."

"But he sub-contracts."

[zimmah]

You guys need to stop confusing love with other emotions, commonly you confuse it with lust and obsession, both Of these emotions are far from love, and are I fact quite the opposite. I don't want to throw religion in this game, but the bible sais multiple things about (true) love. And that is for example that god IS love, And love is patient, kind! Does not envy, does not brag and is not proud, and love endures all things. dedication and devotion are a mayor part of love. True love (not the emotions you intake lay confuse with love) only leads to good things.

Love and a couple of other emotions (which are basically all aspects of love) are the only emotions named I the bible to have 'no law against them' and thus ANY action taken with real love guiding you, is pure and innocent, it's impossible to do bad deeds out of love. 22 But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, forbearance, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, 23 gentleness and self-control. Against such things there is no law.

Anyway, enough about me. Let's focus on the emotion that is most suspicious at the moment, which is sadness, the opposite of joy.

[vodean]

so love could be 3rd party or cult...

Love is purest emotion of all, sadness is likely to be scum.

No matter how you put it, love just can't be wrong.

It's actually the most dirtiest emotion out there. With love there are many downsides to it, the fact that you're being overly defensive proves that it may not be the good role here.

I think if we don't get anywhere in the next real life day, I'm putting pressure back onto both of them for a ROLE claim. Something isn't adding up here.

I agree. What about pedophilia? Or necrophilia? Low hanging fruit here, but too much of any emotion is dangerous. Best way to clear someone is through game actions/investigations, arguing that love is town and sadness is mafia based solely on flavor spec I don't think will work this game because it's not 100% clear what constitutes a "positive" emotion and what constitutes a "negative" one. Anything to extremes is negative.

or that thing where you make love to trees and plants... kinda weird...

Because this is a small game, it is also possible that the single role of "love" covers all of the emotions we are discussing - passion, lust, obsession, jealousy, etc. I think it is important to keep an eye on love. its possible that we may not even know some of the negative aspects of our role (im not sure how much of a bastard mod squirrel is)

[jak111]

You guys need to stop confusing love with other emotions, commonly you confuse it with lust and obsession, both Of these emotions are far from love, and are I fact quite the opposite. I don't want to throw religion in this game, but the bible sais multiple things about (true) love. And that is for example that god IS love, And love is patient, kind! Does not envy, does not brag and is not proud, and love endures all things. dedication and devotion are a mayor part of love. True love (not the emotions you intake lay confuse with love) only leads to good things.

Love and a couple of other emotions (which are basically all aspects of love) are the only emotions named I the bible to have 'no law against them' and thus ANY action taken with real love guiding you, is pure and innocent, it's impossible to do bad deeds out of love. 22 But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, forbearance, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, 23 gentleness and self-control. Against such things there is no law.

Anyway, enough about me. Let's focus on the emotion that is most suspicious at the moment, which is sadness, the opposite of joy.

Definite scum tell. Bringing the bible in to protect a mafia role...

Vote Zimmah

This is not religion, the emotions do not play by any book, and no one knows what type of love you are. There are many types. Love is a general emotion, but it is not confined into anything, but in its self love branches off to lust, greed, etc. Love for sex would be lust, love for money or control of something would be greed.

Let me use this in another context.

Sadness is another general emotion. Sad for a family member or friend passing away could be grievance, sad for a loved one could be pity, and sad for yourself could be self-pity.

Using a text outside of this game is gonna start some stuff, and unless the scenes make mention that the main guy is religious and Christian/Jewish/etc at that. Then no.. that excuse will NOT fly by me.

With great love.. comes great jealousy (<.< See what I did there? XD). You may think these to be two different emotions, but they hardly are different in reality. You can't really love someone and not be jealous if he/she loved somebody else. It's still love, just a twisted version that can bring forth hatred.

Hell, there are many basic emotions. Scared... There's shocked, surprised, etc. The list goes on and it's impossible to judge how Mr.Squirrel sees each emotion himself. So don't play the mod here and suggest because the bible says this or that, that the mod is going to follow the bible (not suggesting he's religious or not) but assuming so makes an ass out of you and no one else.

Until a better case presents its self, I am keeping my vote on Zimmah and this time for a ROLE claim. His excuses are thin, malleable, and transparent. I want to know what 'love' can do. Since he claims it to be a POWER role. Also, I wish to be able to compare the emotion and the power so I can have a better view on which type of love Zimmah is.

[zimmah]

Greed and lust and 'making love' have nothomb to do With love. Just like how American football has nothing to do with football.

Or do you really think pedophiles love children? Hint: the desire to put your d*** in someone is not equal to loving someone.

[zimmah]

With great love.. comes great jealousy (<.< See what I did there? XD). You may think these to be two different emotions, but they hardly are different in reality. You can't really love someone and not be jealous if he/she loved somebody else. It's still love, just a twisted version that can bring forth hatred..

Wrong, love is not jealous under any circumstances, if you truly love someone you want someone to be happy, even if that does not directly affect you. Being in love with someone is still not the same as having love for someone. Stop confusing entirely different emotions with love. No matter how you put it, love is a very pure emotion, and there is a reason god IS love. God would not state he is love if love was not a pure and good emotion. And clearly, god loves us all and is in love with neither of us, and he surely doesn't want to have sex with us either.

There's also no need for me to claim, there's more than enough scummy people out there, and claiming would only help the mafia.

I'm going to throw my Fos at you for even bringing up this subject. Especially since we have a sadness to chase already, I mean, sadness can really destroy someone. Especially after what the main character has been through, sadness is one of the mayor emotions that can bring the main character down.

[lord voldemort]

I agree with zimmah here ^^
love is pure and the most powerful emotion and I feel confident is 100% town

[Mr. Squirrel]

Vote Count

Zimmah (1) - jak

With 10 alive, it takes 6 to lynch. Deadline in 4 days.

Prodding edocsil and PCM

[Mr. Squirrel]

Vote Count

Zimmah (1) - jak

With 10 alive, it takes 6 to lynch. Deadline in 4 days.

Prodding edocsil and PCM

Just checked the vacation thread. Edocsil says he will be gone til monday. If you guys want, I'll extend the deadline a couple days to accommodate.

[jak111]

With great love.. comes great jealousy (<.< See what I did there? XD). You may think these to be two different emotions, but they hardly are different in reality. You can't really love someone and not be jealous if he/she loved somebody else. It's still love, just a twisted version that can bring forth hatred..

Wrong, love is not jealous under any circumstances, if you truly love someone you want someone to be happy, even if that does not directly affect you. Being in love with someone is still not the same as having love for someone. Stop confusing entirely different emotions with love. No matter how you put it, love is a very pure emotion, and there is a reason god IS love. God would not state he is love if love was not a pure and good emotion. And clearly, god loves us all and is in love with neither of us, and he surely doesn't want to have sex with us either.

There's also no need for me to claim, there's more than enough scummy people out there, and claiming would only help the mafia.

I'm going to throw my Fos at you for even bringing up this subject. Especially since we have a sadness to chase already, I mean, sadness can really destroy someone. Especially after what the main character has been through, sadness is one of the mayor emotions that can bring the main character down.

So now you're claiming someone stated he is love when no one has really heard him speak? Scummy.

Anyway, the main reason why I'm on you and pressuring you is because you're CONSTANTLY trying to get us onto Vodean, could be scum trying to throw another under the bus, or could be scum trying to divert our attention for all we know. Either way, you keep raising my suspicion on you and you're not letting other people really post to divert my attention away from you. Lord V could be laying low by just being like "Yep, I agree" and let us keep dueling this out. (All WIFOM of course).

But in Mafia you can't use some religious text to defend yourself, and without about 1 million people playing this, chances are some emotions are combined with others to form a BASIC emotion. Love is not pure because there are just too many branches of love to just say the emotion of love is a pure emotion at all.

Another problem I'm having is the religious text you're bringing into the Mafia game. This is a game, no religious text, no personal feelings, no outside information is going to say that you are town or mafia.

To say that love cannot bring forth some of the most evilest emotions known to man is completely off. Some of the worst emotions we know about are the result of an emotion that we believe to be innocent.

Now, going to sadness. It probably is one of the more town emotions. Honestly, he just lost his daughter, without sadness he'd be a cold hearted man for sure. Without sadness he wouldn't really be human if he was happy or excited about what happened. If he were any of those I'd question the main character's sanity.

Love however can drive the man to suicide. If he loves his daughter too much he may take his own life.

Do not say love is pure, for it is a dark emotion that can drive people down to insanity. It's an emotion that can rip people apart from the inside. You can hide behind religious texts, but I'm going on FACTS. Love.. is an emotion that if left unchecked, can make a man into a monster. Do not try and claim that it is pure and always good.

ALL emotions are open to being good or bad Zimmah (and anyone following his "pure" claim). It doesn't matter what examples you use, there are examples to prove otherwise. Unless someone is a SPECIFIC emotion (joy, cheerful, jealousy, compassion, etc). Basic emotions have no room to claim to be good or bad.

Interesting theories on emotions that make up "love"

A list of a few emotions

^ I wish to direct you to something in this wiki
Love has THREE secondary emotions. Affection, Lust, Longing. Lust is a secondary emotion, whether you prefer it to be or not. Mind you this is only a few people's thoughts on love, Mr.Squirrel really has the final say for what love means in this Mafia. But I am here to just point out that it is not pure, it is not immune to being categorized and having branches from it. Actually, it's one of the few BASIC emotions that has soo many subcategories.

You've been served, now let everyone else reply with their thoughts while you think of something to try to throw out those links that I've posted. Good luck with that.

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My my, I don't really mind either way, but this thread is becoming rather emo.
Curiosity killed the cat
Love can make one a martyr
Despair can lead to suicide
Without some form of temperance, everything can be dangerous really, I'd just rather not feel anything at all.

[DiM]

Curiosity killed the cat - this is vodean's claim
Love can make one a martyr - this is zimmah's claim
Despair can lead to suicide - who's claim is this?

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Vodean claimed edoc is somehow unhappy

[DiM]

Vodean claimed edoc is somehow unhappy

precisely. he said he got a message telling him edoc is unhappy.

nothing about despair.

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Vodean claimed edoc is somehow unhappy

precisely. he said he got a message telling him edoc is unhappy.

nothing about despair.

uhuh, and?
isn't it the same thing?