Obama officially ineligible for presidency

[saxitoxin]

If a FEC clerk reviewed Obama's birth certificate you would be satisfied, case closed? (Keeping in mind three of the five FEC commissioners are Democrats.)

The problem isn't that you don't know where it should be shown. The problem is I haven't heard a single person articulate a concrete standard by which Obama could prove his birth. It's always just a vague "he should show it to someone." Since birth skeptics are asking he do something for which no process exists and no past US president has had to do, the onus is theirs to articulate specifically what it is he's supposed to do, beyond "just show it to someone."

To the best of my knowledge he hasn't refused to show it to any state chief elections officer (Sec of State/Commonwealth) who's requested to see it ... just that none (including Republicans) have asked. Short of a door to door bus tour, I'm unsure what else he's supposed to do. So, too, it seems are you! (I agree with you he should release his university transcripts.)

The process should exist, for all candidates. That is generally what I have been saying.

You're probably right. Every state establishes its own standards to list presidential candidates on its ballot. Montana could pass a law tomorrow requiring a state elections officer personally verifies the birth certificate of every presidential candidate. But they haven't. And neither has any other state.

That this hasn't happened after four years either indicates a grand, far-reaching conspiracy that has penetrated every state in the U.S. and is of such complexity as the world has never before seen - but somehow managed to slip-up in forging a piece of paper - or there's nothing to this.

[BigBallinStalin]

It seems that Romney and Co. or some pro-Romney group would have a strong incentive to tarnish Obama's reputation. Don't you think that if they could test the legitimacy of Obama's citizenship, then they would have already done so?

[Phatscotty]

It seems that Romney and Co. or some pro-Romney group would have a strong incentive to tarnish Obama's reputation. Don't you think that if they could test the legitimacy of Obama's citizenship, then they would have already done so?

No. Timing would be the most important aspect. No need to do something like that while Romney was still battling Santorum. and right now, Romney is in a fight against Ron Paul. If Romney wanted to do something like that, I would bet he would save it for a time within the last month before election, and only if he was down in the polls, and probably only then in certain swing states, and through a subsidiary at that.

Ron Paul slate got set up today. My bro's congressional district is sending 3 delegates, all pledged to Paul, all alternates as well. All MN CD conventions have chosen their delegates to the RNC. Current score: Paul - 20; Other - 4. 13 more to be chosen at the state convention on May 18-19.

[spurgistan]

It seems that Romney and Co. or some pro-Romney group would have a strong incentive to tarnish Obama's reputation. Don't you think that if they could test the legitimacy of Obama's citizenship, then they would have already done so?

Please. You don't think all Republican presidential candidates aren't in on this?

[BigBallinStalin]

I don't know how many groups (or groups affiliated with the Republican presidential candidates) are cooperating or not cooperating to whatever degree in order to decrease Obama's chances of being re-elected. No one does.

[spurgistan]

I don't know how many groups (or groups affiliated with the Republican presidential candidates) are cooperating or not cooperating to whatever degree in order to decrease Obama's chances of being re-elected. No one does.

I meant involved in covering up the obvious evidence of Obama's foreign birth, sorry if I was unclear.

[BigBallinStalin]

Oh, are you saying that "they" or whoever is waiting for the most opportune time to reveal their evidence?

[saxitoxin]

If anyone wanted to see Rick Perry's birth certificate, they'd either have to settle for a digital scan or marry him first.

The County Clerk in Midland County is the local registrar who records all birth certificates. In 1987 the Texas legislature closed birth records to public inspection. Only a qualified applicant may get a copy of a birth certificate. A qualified applicant is a member of his or her immediate family either by blood or marriage or a legal representative (the person's attorney).

http://www.co.midland.tx.us/cc/Vitals/birth.asp

[spurgistan]

Oh, are you saying that "they" or whoever is waiting for the most opportune time to reveal their evidence?

Or possibly just in cahoots. It's turtles all the way down, as they say.

[Army of GOD]

Well, at least it's official.

[Phatscotty]

Whoa there Saxi! I don't think I have ever once stated that Obama's birth certificate wasn't legitimate, or that he was born in Kenya . (trolls begin your search now, don't bother reading the rest) The only things I have ever said is that he should just show it to get everyone to shut up, and thing to the effect of he should show it because it's creating a lot of controversy, or it doesn't look right, or the debate about it certainly will not work to be a positive for Obama, or that it would be wise just for him to end it. I have wondered if he was hiding it, suspected maybe something wasn't in order, but I have always felt this no matter what the truth is, it's too late now, so I don't focus on it at all. The time for that to happen was before the election, and it probably should have happened. I had to show my papers when I got a job.

If there is some kind of evidence the BC is a forgery, well, things will get pretty nuts...

Describe the logistics of how it would be shown. Since a digital copy isn't sufficient, what method of exhibiting the paper copy would be okay?

The same method I use would be okay. The paper with the stampy. And it's not like I'm saying it should be "released" or anything, but it should be requisite with the application, or something.

Who is the HR rep who reviews the job application for the job of president? I'm still unclear exactly to whom the paper birth certificate is going to be shown.

I think that is a job that needs to be created, but I already gave the Federal Elections Committee more work. If we aren't going to check that a candidate is a natural born citizen, then perhaps we should just drop that part in our Constitution, and ride anyone who asks we attempt to follow it.

@ Obama's grades, and the subject of having the most mysterious background of any president in our history.... Is there anything in Obama's past that isn't sealed? They even sealed his grandpa's FBI files!

[gradybridges]

so you put links to Glen Beck and Michael Savage but you aren't a Faux News watcher-riiiiight.

THose 2 guys are the biggest buffoons. THey constantly put out false and misleading information.

[PLAYER57832]

http://www.examiner.com/article/obama-officially-ineligible
http://www.teapartytribune.com/2012/04/13/obama-lawyer-admits-forgery-but-disregards-image-as-indication-of-obamas-ineligibility-damage-control/
Thought i would share some info that i have come across today. Take a peek, I've found articles all over the internet pertaining to this. Surprised i haven't seen much of anyone talking about this at all really.....
Any thoughts on this everyone?

Thoughts? This has been rehashed so many times that only someone completely without knowledge would try to claim there is anything to this.. or that the claims are new.

The ONLY reason you see so many internet splashes is becuase anyone at all can post whatever they wish on the internet and the right wing has absolutely taken that to heart, far more than the left and is using it to manipulate ALL internet searches.

Try finding out the truth behind why the Depression happened and you find no standard treatise, but only new garbage insisting that Roosevelt, etc destroyed capitalism and that is what caused the crash. Investigate anything to do with science, particularly Evolution and climate science and you find garbage based on beliefs and fraudulant data, not the real science. To some extent, those last happen in part because real science is boring and original documents can be hard to read through besides (require some science/math/statistics knowledge to know if what you are reading actually makes sense) BUT.. there is absolutely a real movement, heavily from the Christian right as well as some of the non-religious far right, manipulating searrches, and attempting to direct them so that anytime anyone searches certain key words they get 1-2 pages of garbage before anything real.

[BigBallinStalin]

http://www.examiner.com/article/obama-officially-ineligible
http://www.teapartytribune.com/2012/04/13/obama-lawyer-admits-forgery-but-disregards-image-as-indication-of-obamas-ineligibility-damage-control/
Thought i would share some info that i have come across today. Take a peek, I've found articles all over the internet pertaining to this. Surprised i haven't seen much of anyone talking about this at all really.....
Any thoughts on this everyone?

Thoughts? This has been rehashed so many times that only someone completely without knowledge would try to claim there is anything to this.. or that the claims are new.

The ONLY reason you see so manh internet splashes is becuase anyone at all can post whatever they wish on the internet and the right wing has absolutely taken that to heart, far more than the left and is using it to manipulate ALL internet searches.

Try finding out the truth behind why the Depression happened and you find no standard treatise, but only new garbage insisting that Roosevelt, etc destroyed capitalism and that is what caused the crash. Investigate anything to do with science, particularly Evolution and climate science and you find garbage based on beliefs and fraudulant data, not the real science. To some extent, those last happen in part because real science is boring and original documents can be hard to read through besides (require some science/math/statistics knowledge to know if what you are reading actually makes sense) BUT.. there is absolutely a real movement, heavily from the Christian right as well as some of the non-religious far right, manipulating searrches, and attempting to direct them so that anytime anyone searches certain key words they get 1-2 pages of garbage before anything real.

PLAYER said that; therefore, it must be true.

[Phatscotty]

so you put links to Glen Beck and Michael Savage but you aren't a Faux News watcher-riiiiight.

THose 2 guys are the biggest buffoons. THey constantly put out false and misleading information.

Close your mind Quaid....close your mind.....

Don't even listen to them! That is the key to knowledge and wisdom!

I post everybody, and I don't know why you bring that crap up or continue to attack the messenger. If I posted a liberal saying the same thing, you would just ignore it and probably call them an undercover Republican.

Anyways, the context of my post is that Obama's records are still sealed, and he is the most mysterious president we have ever had, and that is a fact Jack. Care to address anything of importance? or are you gonna start spell checking me next?

[PLAYER57832]

http://www.examiner.com/article/obama-officially-ineligible
http://www.teapartytribune.com/2012/04/13/obama-lawyer-admits-forgery-but-disregards-image-as-indication-of-obamas-ineligibility-damage-control/
Thought i would share some info that i have come across today. Take a peek, I've found articles all over the internet pertaining to this. Surprised i haven't seen much of anyone talking about this at all really.....
Any thoughts on this everyone?

Thoughts? This has been rehashed so many times that only someone completely without knowledge would try to claim there is anything to this.. or that the claims are new.

The ONLY reason you see so manh internet splashes is becuase anyone at all can post whatever they wish on the internet and the right wing has absolutely taken that to heart, far more than the left and is using it to manipulate ALL internet searches.

Try finding out the truth behind why the Depression happened and you find no standard treatise, but only new garbage insisting that Roosevelt, etc destroyed capitalism and that is what caused the crash. Investigate anything to do with science, particularly Evolution and climate science and you find garbage based on beliefs and fraudulant data, not the real science. To some extent, those last happen in part because real science is boring and original documents can be hard to read through besides (require some science/math/statistics knowledge to know if what you are reading actually makes sense) BUT.. there is absolutely a real movement, heavily from the Christian right as well as some of the non-religious far right, manipulating searrches, and attempting to direct them so that anytime anyone searches certain key words they get 1-2 pages of garbage before anything real.

PLAYER said that; therefore, it must be true.

Put it to the test. I never expect people to believe things just because I say them.. I expect you to believe becuase if you look into the matter, you see I am correct.

Of course, the last time I put forward a challenge like that, Greekdog posted a plainly fraudulant post and fols still decided it was more valid than what I said...

[BigBallinStalin]

http://www.examiner.com/article/obama-officially-ineligible
http://www.teapartytribune.com/2012/04/13/obama-lawyer-admits-forgery-but-disregards-image-as-indication-of-obamas-ineligibility-damage-control/
Thought i would share some info that i have come across today. Take a peek, I've found articles all over the internet pertaining to this. Surprised i haven't seen much of anyone talking about this at all really.....
Any thoughts on this everyone?

Thoughts? This has been rehashed so many times that only someone completely without knowledge would try to claim there is anything to this.. or that the claims are new.

The ONLY reason you see so manh internet splashes is becuase anyone at all can post whatever they wish on the internet and the right wing has absolutely taken that to heart, far more than the left and is using it to manipulate ALL internet searches.

Try finding out the truth behind why the Depression happened and you find no standard treatise, but only new garbage insisting that Roosevelt, etc destroyed capitalism and that is what caused the crash. Investigate anything to do with science, particularly Evolution and climate science and you find garbage based on beliefs and fraudulant data, not the real science. To some extent, those last happen in part because real science is boring and original documents can be hard to read through besides (require some science/math/statistics knowledge to know if what you are reading actually makes sense) BUT.. there is absolutely a real movement, heavily from the Christian right as well as some of the non-religious far right, manipulating searrches, and attempting to direct them so that anytime anyone searches certain key words they get 1-2 pages of garbage before anything real.

PLAYER said that; therefore, it must be true.

Put it to the test. I never expect people to believe things just because I say them.. I expect you to believe becuase if you look into the matter, you see I am correct.

Of course, the last time I put forward a challenge like that, Greekdog posted a plainly fraudulant post and fols still decided it was more valid than what I said...

When you start speaking holistically for no good reason, I'll dismiss your argument as silly. It's just as silly and wrong as bedub saying that the blacks will riot if Zimmerman is innocent. Really? Just lump all these different people into one category and derp as much as you like.

According to your logic, since I'm also in this broad category of "right-wing," I'm manipulating ALL internet searches--much more so than the left-wing! Never mind how you know this or even measure it. It's just FACT because... why? You think it is? No one can refute it according to your crazy criteria of whatever that will then be rearranged?


"Put it to the test. I never expect people to believe things just because I say them.. I expect you to believe becuase if you look into the matter, you see I am correct."

How did you even test for your claim: "The ONLY reason you see so manh internet splashes is becuase anyone at all can post whatever they wish on the internet and the right wing has absolutely taken that to heart, far more than the left and is using it to manipulate ALL internet searches"?

Go ahead, explain how you know this. (This will be fun).

[kentington]

http://www.examiner.com/article/obama-officially-ineligible
http://www.teapartytribune.com/2012/04/13/obama-lawyer-admits-forgery-but-disregards-image-as-indication-of-obamas-ineligibility-damage-control/
Thought i would share some info that i have come across today. Take a peek, I've found articles all over the internet pertaining to this. Surprised i haven't seen much of anyone talking about this at all really.....
Any thoughts on this everyone?

Thoughts? This has been rehashed so many times that only someone completely without knowledge would try to claim there is anything to this.. or that the claims are new.

The ONLY reason you see so manh internet splashes is becuase anyone at all can post whatever they wish on the internet and the right wing has absolutely taken that to heart, far more than the left and is using it to manipulate ALL internet searches.

Try finding out the truth behind why the Depression happened and you find no standard treatise, but only new garbage insisting that Roosevelt, etc destroyed capitalism and that is what caused the crash. Investigate anything to do with science, particularly Evolution and climate science and you find garbage based on beliefs and fraudulant data, not the real science. To some extent, those last happen in part because real science is boring and original documents can be hard to read through besides (require some science/math/statistics knowledge to know if what you are reading actually makes sense) BUT.. there is absolutely a real movement, heavily from the Christian right as well as some of the non-religious far right, manipulating searrches, and attempting to direct them so that anytime anyone searches certain key words they get 1-2 pages of garbage before anything real.

PLAYER said that; therefore, it must be true.

Put it to the test. I never expect people to believe things just because I say them.. I expect you to believe becuase if you look into the matter, you see I am correct.

Of course, the last time I put forward a challenge like that, Greekdog posted a plainly fraudulant post and fols still decided it was more valid than what I said...

When you start speaking holistically for no good reason, I'll dismiss your argument as silly. It's just as silly and wrong as bedub saying that the blacks will riot if Zimmerman is innocent. Really? Just lump all these different people into one category and derp as much as you like.

According to your logic, since I'm also in this broad category of "right-wing," I'm manipulating ALL internet searches--much more so than the left-wing! Never mind how you know this or even measure it. It's just FACT because... why? You think it is? No one can refute it according to your crazy criteria of whatever that will then be rearranged?


"Put it to the test. I never expect people to believe things just because I say them.. I expect you to believe becuase if you look into the matter, you see I am correct."

How did you even test for your claim: "The ONLY reason you see so manh internet splashes is becuase anyone at all can post whatever they wish on the internet and the right wing has absolutely taken that to heart, far more than the left and is using it to manipulate ALL internet searches"?

Go ahead, explain how you know this. (This will be fun).

What does derp mean?

Second. Player have you looked up google before or heard anything about them outside of the internet? From what I remember they were pretty liberal. If you think right-winger are manipulating the internet searches, through what means are they doing this?
Google displays searches based on money (ads) and ...right-wing request?

[PLAYER57832]

[
When you start speaking holistically for no good reason, I'll dismiss your argument as silly. It's just as silly and wrong as bedub saying that the blacks will riot if Zimmerman is innocent. Really? Just lump all these different people into one category and derp as much as you like.

According to your logic, since I'm also in this broad category of "right-wing," I'm manipulating ALL internet searches--much more so than the left-wing! Never mind how you know this or even measure it. It's just FACT because... why? You think it is? No one can refute it according to your crazy criteria of whatever that will then be rearranged?

Nope. Whether you are or are not right wing is irrelevant. If you are, my statement does not imply you have to be manipulating all internet searches. However, the right wing HAS put forward a concerted effort to manipulate internet searches. For that to be true only requires that there be a dedicated segment within the right wing doing this. There is. They do.

This is not something I am guessing at. Not only has it been researched, but a lot of Conservative Christian shows have given specific instructions on how to do this. (they, of course target more the social conservative aspect, not the fiscal conservative aspects so much, but the same principle applies).

"Put it to the test. I never expect people to believe things just because I say them.. I expect you to believe becuase if you look into the matter, you see I am correct."

How did you even test for your claim: "The ONLY reason you see so manh internet splashes is becuase anyone at all can post whatever they wish on the internet and the right wing has absolutely taken that to heart, far more than the left and is using it to manipulate ALL internet searches"?

Go ahead, explain how you know this. (This will be fun).

Pick any controversial issue. Peruse the links that show up in the first 5 pages or so. Go into each link and track down the tone AND the corroborating sources, if there are any.

To really see what I am referring to, the easiest would be if you could compare a search you did yourself 5 years ago and one you have done today. I can essentially gaurantee that, aside from manipulations of personal selections (some search engines now tailor searches to the individual based on prior search history) you will find a heavy, heave right wing orientation and a lot of slanted data. It is getting worse, not better.

PS... do this for yourself, not just to respond to me. Its unlikely I will be back here for several days, by which time this thread will likely be long buried.

[PLAYER57832]

Second. Player have you looked up google before or heard anything about them outside of the internet? From what I remember they were pretty liberal. If you think right-winger are manipulating the internet searches, through what means are they doing this?
Google displays searches based on money (ads) and ...right-wing request?

Google is not manipulating searches. In fact, their basic motto is "do no harm". To the extent they have an ethic it is to try and be neutral.

HOWEVER, their search engines are structured to put popular postings at the fore. Their exact methods of doing searches are confidential. However, at least part of it is based on things like the number of times certain words appear and the number of people who search out particular things, etc. So if a lot of people just happen to be searching for Creationist evidence to dispute evolution.. like magic, those articles will begin to appear at the tope of evolution searches. It not quite that simple, but thats the essence.

The more complex the information, the more we need true factual data and less just opinion. However, factual data is often pretty boring. So, it tends to get buried. Non-controversial stuff tends to get buried for similar reasons. That is a semi"nuetral" trend. However, on top of that are teams of conservatives, particularly conservative Christians, but also other groups, who take the time to actually use this information to try and manipulate what appears on everyone's screens.

In the "old days", for example, I would hear of advertisers who would embed specific words in their documents (or embed as many different words as possible) so that their articles would appear in as wide a range of searches as possible. The words would not have to be evident to someone clicking on the article, but would be there for a search engine to find. Then I heard about movements to get Christians to do this. Some were perhaps well intended, some were not. Anyway, that type of movement has expanded. This is in addition to the natural tendencies I described above whereby the most popular ideas, articles and such will appear ahead of less popular stuff.

That type of assessment is OK if you are just looking for the latest fashions or info on politics. It is absolutely not OK if looking for specific data, for verified information.

[AndyDufresne]

What does derp mean?

Second. Player have you looked up google before or heard anything about them outside of the internet? From what I remember they were pretty liberal. If you think right-winger are manipulating the internet searches, through what means are they doing this?
Google displays searches based on money (ads) and ...right-wing request?

Are you saying Google is liberal? Their overall philosophy might be, but they have some pretty non-liberal and aggressive business practices and policies!


--Andy

[BigBallinStalin]

[
When you start speaking holistically for no good reason, I'll dismiss your argument as silly. It's just as silly and wrong as bedub saying that the blacks will riot if Zimmerman is innocent. Really? Just lump all these different people into one category and derp as much as you like.

According to your logic, since I'm also in this broad category of "right-wing," I'm manipulating ALL internet searches--much more so than the left-wing! Never mind how you know this or even measure it. It's just FACT because... why? You think it is? No one can refute it according to your crazy criteria of whatever that will then be rearranged?

Nope. Whether you are or are not right wing is irrelevant. If you are, my statement does not imply you have to be manipulating all internet searches. However, the right wing HAS put forward a concerted effort to manipulate internet searches. For that to be true only requires that there be a dedicated segment within the right wing doing this. There is. They do.

This is not something I am guessing at. Not only has it been researched, but a lot of Conservative Christian shows have given specific instructions on how to do this. (they, of course target more the social conservative aspect, not the fiscal conservative aspects so much, but the same principle applies).

Thank you for changing from your initial position:

The ONLY reason you see so manh internet splashes is becuase anyone at all can post whatever they wish on the internet and the right wing has absolutely taken that to heart, far more than the left and is using it to manipulate ALL internet searches.

"Put it to the test. I never expect people to believe things just because I say them.. I expect you to believe becuase if you look into the matter, you see I am correct."

How did you even test for your claim: "The ONLY reason you see so manh internet splashes is becuase anyone at all can post whatever they wish on the internet and the right wing has absolutely taken that to heart, far more than the left and is using it to manipulate ALL internet searches"?

Go ahead, explain how you know this. (This will be fun).

Pick any controversial issue. Peruse the links that show up in the first 5 pages or so. Go into each link and track down the tone AND the corroborating sources, if there are any.

To really see what I am referring to, the easiest would be if you could compare a search you did yourself 5 years ago and one you have done today. I can essentially gaurantee that, aside from manipulations of personal selections (some search engines now tailor searches to the individual based on prior search history) you will find a heavy, heave right wing orientation and a lot of slanted data. It is getting worse, not better.

PS... do this for yourself, not just to respond to me. Its unlikely I will be back here for several days, by which time this thread will likely be long buried.[/quote]

You've changed your position at this point, so the above no longer is relevant.

[Phatscotty]

Published by the Chicago Sunday Standard in 2004.

Sunday, June 27, 2004
Kenyan-born Obama all set for US Senate

Kenyan-born US Senate hopeful, Barrack Obama, appeared set to take over the Illinois Senate seat after his main rival, Jack Ryan, dropped out of the race on Friday night amid a furor over lurid sex club allegations.

The allegations that horrified fellow Republicans and caused his once-promising candidacy to implode in four short days have given Obama a clear lead as Republicans struggled to fetch an alternative.

Ryan’s campaign began to crumble on Monday following the release of embarrassing records from his divorce. In the records, his ex-wife, Boston Public actress Jeri Ryan, said her former husband took her to kinky sex clubs in Paris, New York and New Orleans.

"It’s clear to me that a vigorous debate on the issues most likely could not take place if I remain in the race," Ryan, 44, said in a statement. "What would take place, rather, is a brutal, scorched-earth campaign – the kind of campaign that has turned off so many voters, the kind of politics I refuse to play."

Although Ryan disputed the allegations, saying he and his wife went to one ‘avant-garde’ club in Paris and left because they felt uncomfortable, lashed out at the media and said it was "truly outrageous" that the Chicago Tribune got a judge to unseal the records.

The Republican choice will become an instant underdog in the campaign for the seat of retiring Republican Senator Peter Fitzgerald, since Obama held a wide lead even before the scandal broke.

"I feel for him actually," Obama told a Chicago TV station. "What he’s gone through over the last three days I think is something you wouldn’t wish on anybody."

The Republican state committee must now choose a replacement for Ryan, who had won in the primaries against seven contenders. Its task is complicated by the fact that Obama holds a comfortable lead in the polls and is widely regarded as a rising Democratic star.

The chairwoman of the Illinois Republican Party, Judy Topinka, said at a news conference, after Ryan withdrew, that Republicans would probably take several weeks to settle on a new candidate.

"Obviously, this is a bad week for our party and our state," she said.

As recently as Thursday, spokesmen for the Ryan campaign still insisted that Ryan would remain in the race. Ryan had defended himself saying, "There’s no breaking of any laws. There’s no breaking of any marriage laws. There’s no breaking of the Ten Commandments anywhere."

http://web.archive.org/web/200406271427 ... 060403.htm

Notice, Obama is getting the divorce records of major Romney donors released.

[Crazyirishman]

I know that it doesn't matter now but I still love this gem of a statement

"Try finding out the truth behind why the Depression happened and you find no standard treatise, but only new garbage insisting that Roosevelt, etc destroyed capitalism and that is what caused the crash."

[Phatscotty]

I know that it doesn't matter now but is still love this gem of a statement

"Try finding out the truth behind why the Depression happened and you find no standard treatise, but only new garbage insisting that Roosevelt, etc destroyed capitalism and that is what caused the crash."

I would challenge that. FDR was not even president when the crash happened, for starters. Where is that statement from?