Clarification on when Bigotry is acceptable

[army of nobunaga]

I agree with owen on this. I do not think a pass should be given for this activity.

I disagree, because all of you enable the fringe.... because you care so much.

If noone paid bigots any attention.... guess what.. they would leave and die.

If someone started talking bad about really handsome white guys, I would not care one iota.

You people should check yourselves internally.

Absolutley have to disagree AOB, Bigotry has not been tolerated on this site to this point.Dont let it start now.

I guess the point is, it gets so chippy... so damn cumbersome.

And in the end... why? Bigots are a dying breed. ignore them and they die faster.

I do not particularly like Mississippians or sri lankians.... I do not post about them, because I keep it to myself. Its cool.... But if I did.. you should ignore me.. and my "want" to talk about those people would die.


I believe if a person ignores a fringe person they die... because in the end they are just wanted to be heard and recognized... we are weak for recognizing them. All of us.


edit, I understand community and rules as well. If bigotry is unacceptable then there needs to be HARD DETAILED written rules, and kick the clowns out, I would be down with that... but all the shippy debate here? cumbersome.. old.. empowering to the bad guys.

edit2, and before a mod says very boldly "It is unacceptable, we kick people out" ... well asshole... why is there debate then? Make it clear, DEFINED, use words... take fucking 30 minites of your lives and define it word for word... then kick a mother fucker out when they cross that line.... these these cumbersome threads disappear. I play a lot of games, for the last 15 years... more active forums.. guess what, they do not have these cumbersome dumbass threads... why? The mods there know how to mod.

[jgordon1111]

I agree with owen on this. I do not think a pass should be given for this activity.

I disagree, because all of you enable the fringe.... because you care so much.

If noone paid bigots any attention.... guess what.. they would leave and die.

If someone started talking bad about really handsome white guys, I would not care one iota.

You people should check yourselves internally.

Absolutley have to disagree AOB, Bigotry has not been tolerated on this site to this point.Dont let it start now.

I guess the point is, it gets so chippy... so damn cumbersome.

And in the end... why? Bigots are a dying breed. ignore them and they die faster.

I do not particularly like Mississippians or sri lankians.... I do not post about them, because I keep it to myself. Its cool.... But if I did.. you should ignore me.. and my "want" to talk about those people would die.


I believe if a person ignores a fringe person they die... because in the end they are just wanted to be heard and recognized... we are weak for recognizing them. All of us.


edit, I understand community and rules as well. If bigotry is unacceptable then there needs to be HARD DETAILED written rules, and kick the clowns out, I would be down with that... but all the shippy debate here? cumbersome.. old.. empowering to the bad guys.

I see the point you are trying to make AON but if they are ignored once or get a free pass, The odds are it will get more rampant and out of control.
Therefore dont ignore them,stop them now and let the others see zero tolerance is in effect

[army of nobunaga]

I agree with owen on this. I do not think a pass should be given for this activity.

I disagree, because all of you enable the fringe.... because you care so much.

If noone paid bigots any attention.... guess what.. they would leave and die.

If someone started talking bad about really handsome white guys, I would not care one iota.

You people should check yourselves internally.

Absolutley have to disagree AOB, Bigotry has not been tolerated on this site to this point.Dont let it start now.

I guess the point is, it gets so chippy... so damn cumbersome.

And in the end... why? Bigots are a dying breed. ignore them and they die faster.

I do not particularly like Mississippians or sri lankians.... I do not post about them, because I keep it to myself. Its cool.... But if I did.. you should ignore me.. and my "want" to talk about those people would die.


I believe if a person ignores a fringe person they die... because in the end they are just wanted to be heard and recognized... we are weak for recognizing them. All of us.


edit, I understand community and rules as well. If bigotry is unacceptable then there needs to be HARD DETAILED written rules, and kick the clowns out, I would be down with that... but all the shippy debate here? cumbersome.. old.. empowering to the bad guys.

I see the point you are trying to make AON but if they are ignored once or get a free pass, The odds are it will get more rampant and out of control.
Therefore dont ignore them,stop them now and let the others see zero tolerance is in effect

Read my edits.. I agree with you.. I just do not see threads like this here other than in CC.

I play TW which forums have 10k at all hours on.. none of this... and its free speech there. ... others as well.

I dont like bigots.. I hate them.. but I hate dumbshit poorly run forums as well.

[jgordon1111]

+1 lol

[Denise]

I agree with you Owen, and I'm glad it's being looked at again. I thought the paddle idea was a lot of fun, but if the bigotry isn't addressed it's going to be hard to be enthusiastic about it when April 1 rolls around again.

[Lindax]

I think North Americans are way to uptight when it comes to issues like this.

Come on, two black folk can call each other nigger, but I can't? The ones complaining about bigotry and discrimination are generally the ones that need to take a good look at themselves. They tend to be the ones seeing a difference where others don't.

Lx

[HighlanderAttack]

i have had confusion in the past on when/where bigotry is ok or permissible on the site. However, the Bigotry Guidelines were created and the escalating scale was introduced through community efforts and all was right in the world. Now, apparently, Bigotry is allowed at certain times. When you ask? Oh, like this past April Fool's day. Apparently the admins/mods did not foresee members flaming/baiting/trashing other members and the constant stream of bigotry. so, instead of doing what is right and issuing warnings and moving people up the scale, they are deciding to ignore it.

Subject: BestInTheWorld: Bigotry [Closed] DCR

This case is Closed.

We understand that comments were made in the "Paddle" that were flaming, bigoted and/or baiting, but this will be the freebie for BestInTheWorld and the others that decided to use the fake Paddle to lash out at members of the community. Business as usual, though, from here on out.

I for one am greatly offended that "a pass" is being given to bigots during this one day. Are we now going to have bigotry exempt days? you flow down the "paddle" list and the use of offensive words and the slagging of members with those words is wholly unacceptable. i assume this is simply too much work for the team and that is why they are ignoring. this was poorly planned and thought out. CC created an atmosphere of tolerance towards racists and bigots during April 1st through their actions, and i am greatly saddened by this.

Many of you won't think this is a big deal, but it is. Bigotry is never "OK" and "a pass" should never be given. Team CC needs to step up and punish the offenders. the comments still stand and are still visible!!!! WTF team CC?!!-el Jesus negro

I may only agree with you about thirty percent of the time, but in this case I 100% agree--well written sir.

[chapcrap]

I think North Americans are way to uptight when it comes to issues like this.

Come on, two black folk can call each other nigger, but I can't? The ones complaining about bigotry and discrimination are generally the ones that need to take a good look at themselves. They tend to be the ones seeing a difference where others don't.

Lx

I don't disagree with this comment and have no issue with most anything that anyone might say, because I don't really get offended. To me, the issue is consistency. If you are punishing for it, then it needs to be punished. It you aren't punishing for it, then let it go.

[owenshooter]

edit, I understand community and rules as well. If bigotry is unacceptable then there needs to be HARD DETAILED written rules, and kick the clowns out, I would be down with that... but all the shippy debate here? cumbersome.. old.. empowering to the bad guys.

ummmm... wow... the HARD DETAILED WRITTEN RULES EXIST, we are asking that they be enforced as they always have... thanks for making my point...-el Jesus negro

p.s.-and did someone really just bust out the N word? mod edit? anyone? anyone... wow...

[Lindax]

p.s.-and did someone really just bust out the N word? mod edit? anyone? anyone... wow...

I did. You have a problem with that? If so, why?

I'm not religious, but I can imagine many more people being offended with somebody calling himself the Black Jesus than me using the word nigger in the context I did.

Lx

[Robinette]

Bigotry turns my stomach...
I would like to add my name to this petition

[DoomYoshi]

Rankism is always an acceptable form of bigotry. It is acceptable in either direction. Those of any rank are allowed to publicly harass cooks and n--bs. Also, those of any rank are allowed to call those in the upper echelons dirty words, such as r--cher.

How can you jerks complain about racism or sexism or homophobia or anything when the only thing that actually matters on CC serves as joke material.

Making fun of someone for their rank is like making fun of someone for being retarded. It usually is the same thing in fact, never mind the simile.

[IcePack]

I appreciate the additional review & discussion regardless of the final verdict.

Cheers,
IcePack

i don't think there is any other outcome than what is correct. you can't pick and choose when to enforce bigotry guidelines. bigotry isn't any less painful to those subjected to it on certain days. saying the volume is too large is lazy. if they let this stand how could they ever enforce these rules again without being questioned. "why was it OK on the 1st of april but not the 23rd of September?" glad for the review, be a bit happier when it is dealt with properly.-el Jesus negro

Look, I'm not saying I'd be happy if they didn't over turn it. I'm just saying I'm appreciative of them taking a second look regardless. I sincerely hope that the verdict changes.

IcePack

[macbone]

I have confidence the C&A folks will deal with this justly. CC has had a pretty straightforward stance that bigory based on sex, race, and sexual orientation isn't tolerated, and I'm with owen 100% on this one.

Yes, these guidelines are for the forums, but they seem to be applicable here as well: viewtopic.php?t=7785#p1759438

[natty dread]

I think North Americans are way to uptight when it comes to issues like this.

Come on, two black folk can call each other ***, but I can't? The ones complaining about bigotry and discrimination are generally the ones that need to take a good look at themselves. They tend to be the ones seeing a difference where others don't.

Lx

Stay classy, Linda X. Stay classy.



To all those clueless people who keep saying "if you just ignore all the bigotry it will go away", think again. That's so opposite of the truth it's not even wrong, it's like... super wrong. Whenever you ignore bigotry, you're implicitly giving your approval; you're sending the message to bigots that it's ok to spew their hateful crap. The only way to address bigotry is to call it out, and make sure that people know that it's not ok in any situation.

[jefjef]

I think North Americans are way to uptight when it comes to issues like this.

Come on, two black folk can call each other ***, but I can't? The ones complaining about bigotry and discrimination are generally the ones that need to take a good look at themselves. They tend to be the ones seeing a difference where others don't.

Lx

Stay classy, Linda X. Stay classy.



To all those clueless people who keep saying "if you just ignore all the bigotry it will go away", think again. That's so opposite of the truth it's not even wrong, it's like... super wrong. Whenever you ignore bigotry, you're implicitly giving your approval; you're sending the message to bigots that it's ok to spew their hateful crap. The only way to address bigotry is to call it out, and make sure that people know that it's not ok in any situation.

Exactly. If it is not punished then we would see it all over they freaking place just like Natty Dread posts.

[Denise]

I think North Americans are way to uptight when it comes to issues like this.

Come on, two black folk can call each other nigger, but I can't? The ones complaining about bigotry and discrimination are generally the ones that need to take a good look at themselves. They tend to be the ones seeing a difference where others don't.

Lx

Perhaps some others don't, but there are many who do. There are many people who are still very prejudiced against blacks, even in the Rocky Mountains, much less the South. Hate crimes against blacks and gays is going up, not down. If there was true tolerance then you would have a point, but there isn't. Allowing the slurs promotes and encourages hatred against those who are different, to those who are weak minded. The difference is the intent. Maybe you can say that word and not mean something hateful, but too many others can't.

[Siedshow99]

[Insert topical Trayvon Martin comment/analogy here]

[General Mojo]

p.s.-and did someone really just bust out the N word? mod edit? anyone? anyone... wow...

No, no, no....his name is digger, owen.....i said DIG-ger!

[trapyoung]

p.s.-and did someone really just bust out the N word? mod edit? anyone? anyone... wow...

No, no, no....his name is digger, owen.....i said DIG-ger!

Some people see what they want to see.

What do you mean "Some people"!?!?

[Lindax]

After receiving a PM from owen, I would like to make clear publicly that....

....I do NOT condone bigotry, discrimination, racism, etc.

Lx

[owenshooter]

After receiving a PM from owen, I would like to make clear publicly that....

....I do NOT condone bigotry, discrimination, racism, etc.

Lx

awwwww, shucks... that is sweet... (i won't sign this one, just for you~!)

[Chariot of Fire]

Doesn't the crux of whether a remark is bigoted or not all hinge on intent? Denise alluded to this very thing in her post:

The difference is the intent. Maybe you can say that word and not mean something hateful, but too many others can't.

This whole debate started due to the single use of the word 'fag' as a reason to ban someone using a joke paddle in a light-hearted vehicle created by CC on April 1st. To me this looks like a simple jest between two friends, as the one 'banned' had actually written "You are gae" [sic] on the author's wall some four weeks prior.

So it's a pretty sorry state of affairs when a couple of mates can't share a joke together, with no implicit ill will, without it being labelled bigotry. I'm sure far greater crimes could be identified and peoples' time and resources spent doing something about those instead of creating a mountain out of a molehill.

[Falkomagno]

I think North Americans are way to uptight when it comes to issues like this.

Come on, two black folk can call each other nigger, but I can't? The ones complaining about bigotry and discrimination are generally the ones that need to take a good look at themselves. They tend to be the ones seeing a difference where others don't.

Lx

I completely agree with this statement. And I can confirm that that extra sensibility with the word "nigger" is restricted only to US and to some extend Canada, since not even Mexican culture is that sensible about it.

Another extreme sensibility detected is the one with the word "fag". Astonishingly that people actively pursue punishment for just uttering the word, regardless the context. If is such offensive term, this people can be just glad if the website can do what it does with the word "f*ck" which automatically is changed to "f**k" i think.

[IcePack]

So CoF if I cheat by accident or make a multi by accident, even if it's in the rules but I didn't INTEND to cheat, I should be let off the hook?

It's in the rules, the punishments have a warning system. If they never did anything else wrong they will be warned and that's it. They will know they broke rules / crossed like without really any "impact" other than a warning.

If they've done other things in the past then clearly there's more of an issue than just once, and they will progress the ladder appropriately.

Ultimately this is one case, the wall comment only reflects one out of many. Those who did it "as a joke" will get a warning and move on. Those who have more in their past then a "joke" with no "intent" to harm will be reminded again to know the rules the site enforces.

IcePack