[Abandoned] - Finnish Winter War map

tseepra · Post by **tseepra** » Sat Apr 21, 2007 6:25 pm

Newmap based loosely on the Finnish Winter War of 1939-1940, fought between the Soviet Union and Finland.

Current problems:
The continent army bonuses.t's hard to seperate the 7th army from the 8th army.
Not sure about the impassable borders, weather there should be more or less.

What I would like to keep in this map:
I want Finland to be easy to defend from Russia, but worth less than Russia.
I want to keep Finland blue and Russia red.

So, suggestions, comments and questions are all welcome.

fireedud · Post by **fireedud** » Sat Apr 21, 2007 6:28 pm

You have an extra army in murmansk, and have twoi armies in the Salla army cirlcle.

Jack0827 · Post by **Jack0827** » Sat Apr 21, 2007 6:30 pm

its a nice idea and a nice begining. I like the tecture on russia but over all it needs some work
:wink:

neoni · Post by **neoni** » Sat Apr 21, 2007 7:07 pm

i think it's excellent for a first draft, and looks like it could be good fun

pancakemix · Post by **pancakemix** » Sat Apr 21, 2007 7:18 pm

There are two armies in the Kem circle, too. Center the numbers more, ditch the Scandanavia flags and the small territories. I like the idea, though. It has potential.

luckiekevin · Post by **luckiekevin** » Sat Apr 21, 2007 7:47 pm

Color of countries are too close to each other. Reds and Blues. and yes, the numbers are kind of messed up

pepperonibread · Post by **pepperonibread** » Sat Apr 21, 2007 7:48 pm

Awesome map so far. The only thing I'd suggest is making the separate armies (continents) more visible. You could still leave Russia red and Finland blue, but you could have like a light red, a regular red and a saturated red, and the same with blue.
Great first draft!

mibi · Post by **mibi** » Sat Apr 21, 2007 9:53 pm

Finland has a military? They certainly didnt teach this war in history class.

neoni · Post by **neoni** » Sat Apr 21, 2007 10:20 pm

that's why the rest of the world makes fun of the american education system :wink:

Black Bear · Post by **Black Bear** » Sun Apr 22, 2007 10:48 am

Looks cool on the front but just one thing: well it's a little small the graphic details are excellent but make it a bit bigger

Fireside Poet · Post by **Fireside Poet** » Sun Apr 22, 2007 11:03 am

I like this idea ... probably because I've had it pass through my mind also.

Good luck!

spinwizard · Post by **spinwizard** » Sun Apr 22, 2007 11:04 am

neoni wrote:that's why the rest of the world makes fun of the american education system

ROFL!

Fitz69 · Post by **Fitz69** » Mon Apr 23, 2007 1:42 am

mibi wrote:Finland has a military? They certainly didnt teach this war in history class.

Just so you know, they kicked some serious a**.

tseepra · Post by **tseepra** » Mon Apr 23, 2007 9:58 pm

New legend.
More clear coast.
More clear altogether.
Army circles are smaller.
No more numbers because they were messed up.

Fitz69 wrote:
mibi wrote:Finland has a military? They certainly didnt teach this war in history class.

Just so you know, they kicked some serious a**.

We did, and that is what inspired me to do a winter war map. Finland might have been outnumbered 4:1 in infantry and 1000:1 in tanks but we still beat off to russian invaders.

Ok, so whay I want to ask the foundry:
What should the bonuses be like?
Do you like the Swedish and Norwegian flags in the top left? (I do)
What sbould the legend be like? (the current legend sucks, tbh)
Should there be any more impassable borders (perhaps one between Eastern CMD and Western CMD?)
Should I remove the ability to attack from Estonia to Helsinki?

And also, I think the colours are distinguishable from eachohter, who thinks they should be even more different?

I want to put a title which tells the story of Finland vs Russia, but I'm a bit drunk atm so maybe next week.

Evil Pope · Post by **Evil Pope** » Mon Apr 23, 2007 10:08 pm

The only problem I can think of would be that the continents are kinda hard to hold, as far as I can see.

Bavarian Raven · Post by **Bavarian Raven** » Mon Apr 23, 2007 10:14 pm

i like it...

...but maybe have some spacific cities worth plus 1 bonus or something like that...make it a bit more of a challenge for those unlucky enough not to start on one of them..

pancakemix · Post by **pancakemix** » Mon Apr 23, 2007 10:14 pm

East/West CMD is the only problem I see regarding continents.

Fireside Poet · Post by **Fireside Poet** » Tue Apr 24, 2007 12:08 am

Love this one to be honest. I forsee this one as a smaller "Indochina" style map where a 6 player game would be rugged, but this would fit beautifully as a 3-5 player. Keep up the good work... looking forward to this one already.

One small suggestion - there needs to be a Finnish flag somewhere...

Neutrino · Post by **Neutrino** » Tue Apr 24, 2007 12:28 am

I definitely like this map and I think its pretty good as it is, but I do have some sugestions:

Vary the colours more, (but keep them Red and Blue) so we dont have to use the continent shapes in the corner to tell what they are.

The actual regions names, rather than just CMD and X Army as the contnent names.

The bonuses probably need to be adjusted a bit.

Also, I noticed that the Hammer and Sickle are edged with blue, which makes them seem a bit odd.

Other than that, great map!

Balsiefen · Post by **Balsiefen** » Tue Apr 24, 2007 12:49 am

I dont know if its my screen but east and west cmd are virtually indestinguiahable to me, at first glance i thaught they were one continent
you may need to lighten one up a bit

KEYOGI · Post by **KEYOGI** » Tue Apr 24, 2007 3:16 am

It's going to be near impossible to read blue numbers in the blue continents. I like the rich colours, but they're not going to work... unless you perhaps make the army shadows white?

Cachorro · Post by **Cachorro** » Sun Apr 29, 2007 12:23 pm

neoni wrote:that's why the rest of the world makes fun of the american education system

Please use the google for example with the following: "Simo Häyhä" or "Simo Hayha" for your keyboard. Also Larry Thorne (Lauri Törni) might end up with some interesting results.

I like the map a lot! Some ideas:

Maybe adding Suursaari would bring something in between Leningrad/Estonia and Helsinki/Uusimaa?

Maybe a name for the map: "Talvisodan henki" or something similar in American language

Something else maybe later when I'm not this tired...

ParadiceCity9 · Post by **ParadiceCity9** » Sun Apr 29, 2007 4:37 pm

sorry if its been said already...but the colors are too common and vibrant i think

but I like the idea...stick with it!

tseepra · Post by **tseepra** » Sun Apr 29, 2007 5:35 pm

New update, it might take me awhile to update this map because i'm in the middle of exams and moving flats.

Updates:
Made the hammer and sickle more black on the borders.
The legend is new.
The colours are more varied.

Some comments:

The map is as wide as it can be.
I'm not sure how varied the colours can be anymore.

I had a few more points, but I'm drunk again...

Questions or comments are welcome and appreciated.

luckiekevin · Post by **luckiekevin** » Sun Apr 29, 2007 5:44 pm

WOW! What beautiful improvement since the last time I checked.

I think you can take some liberties in making Narva and Meretaskov a little bigger to make those territories clearer. It's a bit clustered there right now.

The main issue right now is the text not fitting within the appropriate territories. These labels could be clearer. Also the water(ice?) between Kyme and Grendal looks like a country because it's outside borders colors match so closely with the blue land around it. It needs to be clearer that it is not land.