Portland [Quenched]

[chapcrap]

For the rose and microbrew bonuses, I think they need to be lower. 7 is a lot. I think 5 would be good.

I don't think dropping them will be common enough to justify making them start neutral. It's 4 terts you have to get, not the best odds to drop and then go first as well.

This was previously 5, but it was raised to make the bonus more attractive.

I've now had 3 games with a rose/brew drop. I imagine it only happens in 1v1, but it is pretty unfair. I'm just not sure what to do about it.

Either lower the bonus (my recommendation) or have 1 rose and 1 brewery start neutral every game. The neutral start may be the best option, even though it's not my preference.

[lostatlimbo]

For the rose and microbrew bonuses, I think they need to be lower. 7 is a lot. I think 5 would be good.

I don't think dropping them will be common enough to justify making them start neutral. It's 4 terts you have to get, not the best odds to drop and then go first as well.

This was previously 5, but it was raised to make the bonus more attractive.

I've now had 3 games with a rose/brew drop. I imagine it only happens in 1v1, but it is pretty unfair. I'm just not sure what to do about it.

Either lower the bonus (my recommendation) or have 1 rose and 1 brewery start neutral every game. The neutral start may be the best option, even though it's not my preference.

I'm not sure those are the only options. There was an issue with the rose/brew bonus before and simply reverting back to that doesn't seem all that helpful. Hopefully, we can come up with another options.

In the meantime, there are several outstanding graphic issues which I have addressed with this recent update, so I'd like to focus on that for a minute and come back to this bonus issue.

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[thenobodies80]

I really like more the new trees.

Before I send the updated images to lackattack, can I ask you if you can remove that black pixel in the third square from the top, on the left side of the portland airport region? I know it's small but I noticed it in a second.

[natty dread]

The new trees kinda look like tiny green coctail umbrellas to me

But that's ok, they fit the style of the map, so they're fine.

[lostatlimbo]

Sorry this took so long to update, but I just moved and have been very busy. I know it was a small change, but I also wanted to improve on the trees more.

Version 51:
Minor clean up and improved tree texture.
[bigimg]http://i134.photobucket.com/albums/q102/lostatlimbo/Portland-Map_flattened_6.png[/bigimg]

[flexmaster33]

looks good

[Lindax]

Yep, I like it. Great job limbo!

I never found the roses and beer bonuses an issue. Lowering the bonus a little to 5 may be a good idea though.

Lx

[thenobodies80]

Sent to the turtle!

Nobodies

[lostatlimbo]

Thanks nobodies!

[lostatlimbo]

It seems the last issue that needs to be resolved are the rose/brew bonuses. There have been a lot of suggestions (from 5 to 10).

5 seems too low to make the bonus attractive. 7 seems too high for good drops.

I'm inclined to split the difference and go with 6 troops for holding either the rose or brew territories.

Would that works for everyone?

[thenobodies80]

the map was updated!

[BluU]

I'm afraid the map is not aligned with the armies digits display

[RedBaron0]

ditto that, the xml coords need to be updated.

[lostatlimbo]

Yikes. Not sure what happened, but I will get this fixed tonight. Sorry.

[chapcrap]

It seems the last issue that needs to be resolved are the rose/brew bonuses. There have been a lot of suggestions (from 5 to 10).

5 seems too low to make the bonus attractive. 7 seems too high for good drops.

I'm inclined to split the difference and go with 6 troops for holding either the rose or brew territories.

Would that works for everyone?

I don't really think that 5 is too low. However, can it just be coded in the XML so that it isn't dropped? If the 2 aren't dropped then it wouldn't be as big of an issue.

[lostatlimbo]

I updated the XML, but I only found one spot that was off. Are we sure that the previous XML was updated with the new graphics? Am I missing something?

XMLUpdated 3/16

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      <border>Hawthorne</border>
      <border>Reed</border>
   </borders>
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      <smally>467</smally>
      <largex>698</largex>
      <largey>608</largey>
   </coordinates>
</territory>
<territory>
   <name>Reed</name>
   <borders>
      <border>Clinton</border>
      <border>Hawthorne</border>
      <border>OMSI</border>
      <border>SE Bike Path</border>
      <border>Marquam</border>
   </borders>
   <coordinates>
      <smallx>433</smallx>
      <smally>467</smally>
      <largex>570</largex>
      <largey>608</largey>
   </coordinates>
</territory>
<territory>
   <name>OMSI</name>
   <borders>
      <border>Reed</border>
      <border>Laurelhurst</border>
      <border>Fareless Zone MAX</border>
   </borders>
   <coordinates>
      <smallx>409</smallx>
      <smally>390</smally>
      <largex>540</largex>
      <largey>507</largey>
   </coordinates>
</territory>
<territory>
   <name>Fareless Zone MAX</name>
   <borders>
      <border>OMSI</border>
      <border>Irvington</border>
      <border>China Town-Pioneer MAX</border>
      <border>Overlook-Mississippi MAX</border>
      <border>Hollywood-Laurelhurst MAX</border>
   </borders>
   <coordinates>
      <smallx>399</smallx>
      <smally>359</smally>
      <largex>526</largex>
      <largey>464</largey>
   </coordinates>
   <neutral>2</neutral>
   <bonus>-1</bonus>
</territory>
<territory>
   <name>China Town-Pioneer MAX</name>
   <borders>
      <border>China Town</border>
      <border>Pioneer</border>
      <border>Fareless Zone MAX</border>
      <border>Beaverton MAX</border>
   </borders>
   <coordinates>
      <smallx>338</smallx>
      <smally>375</smally>
      <largex>445</largex>
      <largey>485</largey>
   </coordinates>
   <neutral>2</neutral>
</territory>
<territory>
   <name>Beaverton MAX</name>
   <borders>
      <border>Beaverton</border>
      <border>China Town-Pioneer MAX</border>
   </borders>
   <coordinates>
      <smallx>112</smallx>
      <smally>415</smally>
      <largex>148</largex>
      <largey>537</largey>
   </coordinates>
   <neutral>2</neutral>
</territory>
<territory>
   <name>Hollywood-Laurelhurst MAX</name>
   <borders>
      <border>Fareless Zone MAX</border>
      <border>Mt. Tabor MAX</border>
      <border>Laurelhurst</border>
      <border>Hollywood</border>
   </borders>
   <coordinates>
      <smallx>509</smallx>
      <smally>333</smally>
      <largex>669</largex>
      <largey>430</largey>
   </coordinates>
   <neutral>2</neutral>
</territory>
<territory>
   <name>Mt. Tabor MAX</name>
   <borders>
      <border>Mt. Tabor</border>
      <border>Hollywood-Laurelhurst MAX</border>
      <border>Alameda MAX</border>
   </borders>
   <coordinates>
      <smallx>602</smallx>
      <smally>356</smally>
      <largex>791</largex>
      <largey>461</largey>
   </coordinates>
   <neutral>2</neutral>
</territory>
<territory>
   <name>Alameda MAX</name>
   <borders>
      <border>Mt. Tabor MAX</border>
      <border>Portland Airport MAX</border>
      <border>Alameda</border>
   </borders>
   <coordinates>
      <smallx>587</smallx>
      <smally>244</smally>
      <largex>771</largex>
      <largey>313</largey>
   </coordinates>
   <neutral>2</neutral>
</territory>
<territory>
   <name>Portland Airport MAX</name>
   <borders>
      <border>Portland Airport</border>
      <border>Alameda MAX</border>
   </borders>
   <coordinates>
      <smallx>561</smallx>
      <smally>114</smally>
      <largex>738</largex>
      <largey>142</largey>
   </coordinates>
   <neutral>2</neutral>
</territory>
<territory>
   <name>Overlook-Mississippi MAX</name>
   <borders>
      <border>Mississippi</border>
      <border>Overlook</border>
      <border>Fareless Zone MAX</border>
      <border>Expo Center MAX</border>
   </borders>
   <coordinates>
      <smallx>351</smallx>
      <smally>193</smally>
      <largex>462</largex>
      <largey>246</largey>
   </coordinates>
   <neutral>2</neutral>
</territory>
<territory>
   <name>Expo Center MAX</name>
   <borders>
      <border>Overlook-Mississippi MAX</border>
      <border>Expo Center</border>
   </borders>
   <coordinates>
      <smallx>325</smallx>
      <smally>112</smally>
      <largex>427</largex>
      <largey>140</largey>
   </coordinates>
   <neutral>2</neutral>
</territory>
<territory>
   <name>NW Bike Path</name>
   <borders>
      <border>Forest Park</border>
      <border>NE Bike Path</border>
      <border>SW Bike Path</border>
      <border>SE Bike Path</border>
   </borders>
   <coordinates>
      <smallx>155</smallx>
      <smally>247</smally>
      <largex>204</largex>
      <largey>316</largey>
   </coordinates>
   <neutral killer="yes">1</neutral>
</territory>
<territory>
   <name>SW Bike Path</name>
   <borders>
      <border>Marquam</border>
      <border>PSU</border>
      <border>NW Bike Path</border>
      <border>NE Bike Path</border>
      <border>SE Bike Path</border>
   </borders>
   <coordinates>
      <smallx>334</smallx>
      <smally>447</smally>
      <largex>441</largex>
      <largey>579</largey>
   </coordinates>
   <neutral killer="yes">1</neutral>
</territory>
<territory>
   <name>SE Bike Path</name>
   <borders>
      <border>Reed</border>
      <border>SW Bike Path</border>
      <border>NW Bike Path</border>
      <border>NE Bike Path</border>
   </borders>
   <coordinates>
      <smallx>472</smallx>
      <smally>470</smally>
      <largex>621</largex>
      <largey>611</largey>
   </coordinates>
   <neutral killer="yes">1</neutral>
</territory>
<territory>
   <name>NE Bike Path</name>
   <borders>
      <border>Hollywood</border>
      <border>Irvington</border>
      <border>Alberta Arts</border>
      <border>Alameda</border>
      <border>SE Bike Path</border>
      <border>SW Bike Path</border>
      <border>NW Bike Path</border>
   </borders>
   <coordinates>
      <smallx>481</smallx>
      <smally>277</smally>
      <largex>632</largex>
      <largey>355</largey>
   </coordinates>
   <neutral killer="yes">1</neutral>
</territory>
</map>

[lostatlimbo]

It seems the last issue that needs to be resolved are the rose/brew bonuses. There have been a lot of suggestions (from 5 to 10).

5 seems too low to make the bonus attractive. 7 seems too high for good drops.

I'm inclined to split the difference and go with 6 troops for holding either the rose or brew territories.

Would that works for everyone?

I don't really think that 5 is too low. However, can it just be coded in the XML so that it isn't dropped? If the 2 aren't dropped then it wouldn't be as big of an issue.

Adding two more neutrals would make for uneven drops. Back in gameplay development, it was determined this setup was the fairest. If I tinker with this, we'll have to completely revisit this and come up with a different way to keep it even. Is that really worth it?

[chapcrap]

I'm not advocating adding two more neutrals. I meant to force one of each of those two bonuses to be 2 of the neutrals to start. At least in 1v1 and 3 player games.

[uckuki]

Game 10734601
I tried to attack from Nob Hill
to China Town, and there was no option
for it in the drop down menu (I couldn't
select/attack it)

[espaliers]

Hello fellow map founders,

I have a problem on an ongoing game running #10382251. It seems since a couple of days Old town change to Chinatown on the map but in China town max in the menu, and Oldtown max in Chinatown. Seems also that Chinatown is connected to Beaverton max. At the end i'm not sure i have to rely on the map i see or the map from the menu.

Thanks in advance,
Espaliers

[lostatlimbo]

The XML did not get updated with the image.

I'm told lackattack has been notified. I'm not sure what the delay is, but there's nothing I can do about it. Sorry.

[thenobodies80]

Sent to lackattack!

[thenobodies80]

Updated!

[lostatlimbo]

Sweet! Thanks nobodies

[espaliers]

Thanks guys