Romeo and Juliet Mafia - Capulet Victory. +Paris+John

[dazza2008]

Okay. No Survivors is a Modified Busdriver.

[jgordon1111]

ok, now thats different No survivors who have you been changing around?

[TheGeneral2112]

Okay. No Survivors is a Modified Busdriver.

Can I just get a character name?

[alt1978]

ok sg7 better safe than sorry so We start with Alt then everyone just says who they are until we get the vig,everyone but one person now wants to win so it shouldnt be a problem for anyone to claim. well everyone wants to win but I think you all know what I mean. So alt do you claim first or do we vote on it?

The fast answer to this jgordon is...we vote on it. There is absolutely no reason for me or anyone else to claim. Working together does not mean making the game and win condition easy for the general's Friar Lawrence and whoever you (Jgordon) are in this game.

I would have thought that after helping you to stop role-blocking your "claimed" family's body guard we could have gotten along better than this . Which brings me back to your whole night two...day three actions which seem highly suspicious to me. Day one edoc is outed as being aligned with the monetgue's...largely pointing to edoc being mercutio...romeo's body guard (or possibly juliet's hunter...or maybe both), and in a brash display of showmanship you claim to be lord montegue. Despite the put on interpersonal disagreement that you had with edoc (faked or real we will likely never really know)...why in the world would you role block someone so certainly on your side?
That was suspicious...but I was willing to let that slide in thought that maybe you were reacting emotionally. Day two turns out Victor Sullivan to be a Capulet. You, already a purportedly self-outed montegue, should have had free range to start working on the capuluet's but instead you bandwagoned on the killing the montegue vigilante. Once Clever claimed...you then proceeded to vote for me...again ignoring the opportunity to start whittling down the capulet's.

Now today...after ghostly counter claim's clever and makes the montegue's side even more vulnerable, you once more start down a different path than victor sullivan...known capulet.

Your words say Montegue...but your actions say you are something else with some other agenda than what you have alluded to.

Vote JGordon

[edocsil]

Lol Alt.

First off my issues with JG spread across 4 forum topics and a slew of PMs, it wasn't a show for here.

Second off, can you hazard an explanation as to why Lord Monty hasn't CC?

Third, when someone in his house lied JG really had no choice but to follow the rest of us in his lynch.

[TheGeneral2112]

ok sg7 better safe than sorry so We start with Alt then everyone just says who they are until we get the vig,everyone but one person now wants to win so it shouldnt be a problem for anyone to claim. well everyone wants to win but I think you all know what I mean. So alt do you claim first or do we vote on it?

The fast answer to this jgordon is...we vote on it. There is absolutely no reason for me or anyone else to claim. Working together does not mean making the game and win condition easy for the general's Friar Lawrence and whoever you (Jgordon) are in this game.

I would have thought that after helping you to stop role-blocking your "claimed" family's body guard we could have gotten along better than this . Which brings me back to your whole night two...day three actions which seem highly suspicious to me. Day one edoc is outed as being aligned with the monetgue's...largely pointing to edoc being mercutio...romeo's body guard (or possibly juliet's hunter...or maybe both), and in a brash display of showmanship you claim to be lord montegue. Despite the put on interpersonal disagreement that you had with edoc (faked or real we will likely never really know)...why in the world would you role block someone so certainly on your side?
That was suspicious...but I was willing to let that slide in thought that maybe you were reacting emotionally. Day two turns out Victor Sullivan to be a Capulet. You, already a purportedly self-outed montegue, should have had free range to start working on the capuluet's but instead you bandwagoned on the killing the montegue vigilante. Once Clever claimed...you then proceeded to vote for me...again ignoring the opportunity to start whittling down the capulet's.

Now today...after ghostly counter claim's clever and makes the montegue's side even more vulnerable, you once more start down a different path than victor sullivan...known capulet.

Your words say Montegue...but your actions say you are something else with some other agenda than what you have alluded to.

Vote JGordon

Alt, we aren't two families hellbent on destroying the other. There is an alternate win condition that is achievable. You're right, he isn't trying to senselessly attack anyone who is a capulet. He is playing towards the greater win condition. Just sit back and relax a tad. Give us your character name.

VOTE ALT

[shieldgenerator7]

VOTE ALT let's hear that name claim

[TheGeneral2112]

VOTE ALT let's hear that name claim

I know that there aren't any fake claims and I have a pretty good idea of what the name of the vig is. I'm just waiting for him to claim it. If he claims a different name he will be cc'd. This game is already a win.

[jgordon1111]

Alt this is not personal against you, You are playing strong not overly aggressive not under but just the right amount of play and you make good valid points. after you we move on to the next person and so on.

And go back to when just to clarify I specifically told dazza to target me so down the road here there would be no but Jg's claim isnt real. I was not the one that shot that down at the time dazza's life in this game hung in the balance and I was not really willing to work with third party. So in order to keep another family role from being outted It was my suggestion to do a reveal on me.

But then as I said I reread what zimmahs scenes where saying and here we are.

[SPARTACUS1974]

what i cant understand is why you think that if the vigs die we all win?
im sure jgordon said his Wc was that all capulets must die ?
and i got the name of the last vig right when i said the vigs will be the cousins of each family , so if the vig has been reading through he wont post that name .
i think we should vote general because we still have not proved his claim at all he is after everyone else to mass claim and how can we trust him that there are different win condition for us all or that his WC is just to stop the 2 vigs and he alone wins ?

vote general

[TheGeneral2112]

what i cant understand is why you think that if the vigs die we all win?
im sure jgordon said his Wc was that all capulets must die ?
and i got the name of the last vig right when i said the vigs will be the cousins of each family , so if the vig has been reading through he wont post that name .
i think we should vote general because we still have not proved his claim at all he is after everyone else to mass claim and how can we trust him that there are different win condition for us all or that his WC is just to stop the 2 vigs and he alone wins ?

vote general

Get wrecked, brah. Brother John and I are confirmed. Reread some of the mods posts and you will see what I am talking about. Are you the other vig, perhaps?

[zimmah]

Vote count

[1] JGordon - alt1978, (L - 7)
[2] alt1978 - TheGeneral2112, sg7, (L-6)
[1] TheGeneral2112 - SPARTACUS1974, (L-7)

[all those guys below have 0 votes but can be voted]
Victor Sullivan
Edocsil
Shieldgenerator7
dazza2008
new guy1
ghostly447
Bleed_Green
chapcrap
Leehar
NoSurvivors
SPARTACUS1974

there's 14 alive so 8 votes are needed for a lynch

[dazza2008]

Okay. No Survivors is a Modified Busdriver.

Can I just get a character name?

I never got that. You will have to ask him buddy.

[Leehar]

what i cant understand is why you think that if the vigs die we all win?
im sure jgordon said his Wc was that all capulets must die ?
and i got the name of the last vig right when i said the vigs will be the cousins of each family , so if the vig has been reading through he wont post that name .
i think we should vote general because we still have not proved his claim at all he is after everyone else to mass claim and how can we trust him that there are different win condition for us all or that his WC is just to stop the 2 vigs and he alone wins ?

vote general

Get wrecked, brah. Brother John and I are confirmed. Reread some of the mods posts and you will see what I am talking about. Are you the other vig, perhaps?

Are you the other vig, no, no, are you? or Maybe it's you? Thats impossible it has to be you? Are you sure it's not you? Then it's obviously you or you or the other you....

Very convoluted stuff going on here. Some things just seem too pat.

[ghostly447]

I side with chapcrap here. And I regret outting my own damned vig. Please point EXACTLY WHERE YOU SEE THAT THERE IS AN ALTERNATE END. Because right now, I think zimmah would say it in our role pm's saying "There is an alternate ending" or something of the sort.

[SPARTACUS1974]

what i cant understand is why you think that if the vigs die we all win?
im sure jgordon said his Wc was that all capulets must die ?
and i got the name of the last vig right when i said the vigs will be the cousins of each family , so if the vig has been reading through he wont post that name .
i think we should vote general because we still have not proved his claim at all he is after everyone else to mass claim and how can we trust him that there are different win condition for us all or that his WC is just to stop the 2 vigs and he alone wins ?

vote general

Get wrecked, brah. Brother John and I are confirmed. Reread some of the mods posts and you will see what I am talking about. Are you the other vig, perhaps?

yes the mod has confirmed your role but you keep telling us that you have a win condition for us all i find that unlikely i have my WC and it is nothing like yours

[Leehar]

Still, the 3rd parties do have a point in that it'll be hard for the 2 factions to complete their WC of killing the other if they're both of equal strength, so perhaps there's another way to solve the quandary.

[Leehar]

I side with chapcrap here. And I regret outting my own damned vig. Please point EXACTLY WHERE YOU SEE THAT THERE IS AN ALTERNATE END. Because right now, I think zimmah would say it in our role pm's saying "There is an alternate ending" or something of the sort.

Another Montague crawling out the woodwork?

Btw, did Sully request a replacement for this game like he did in fire and ice?

[SPARTACUS1974]

I side with chapcrap here. And I regret outting my own damned vig. Please point EXACTLY WHERE YOU SEE THAT THERE IS AN ALTERNATE END. Because right now, I think zimmah would say it in our role pm's saying "There is an alternate ending" or something of the sort.

Another Montague crawling out the woodwork?

Btw, did Sully request a replacement for this game like he did in fire and ice?

ok ghostly you have claimed mountague but which 1 ?

[shieldgenerator7]

I side with chapcrap here. And I regret outting my own damned vig. Please point EXACTLY WHERE YOU SEE THAT THERE IS AN ALTERNATE END. Because right now, I think zimmah would say it in our role pm's saying "There is an alternate ending" or something of the sort.

Another Montague crawling out the woodwork?

Btw, did Sully request a replacement for this game like he did in fire and ice?

I believe you're right.

So we have the families as follows:

Montague (4):
edoc (~semi~)
jgordon
ghostly
clever

Capulet (1):
VS

Third Party (4):
General
Dazza
Eldario
NoSurvivors

Unknown (7):
new guy
chapcrap
alt
leehar
shieldgenerator7
spartacus
bleed_green

At least 3 of the unknowns are probably capulet, so to equal the montagues' side.
But then that would leave 8 third party, so I think we have maybe 2 more for each side so there's only 4 3rd party. This is a guess. I doubt the majority of the players are third-party.

If I missed anything let me know.

-SG7 ( )

[edocsil]

For the love of god, the next idiot who says "but *snivel* but, but my win condition doesn't mention anything but total annihilation..." I am going to tear apart. Yes you are right. It doesn't say that. My role in this game is to convince you that you can indeed win, WITHOUT killing the whole other side. That is what I need to do to win, stop the fighting. Not stop the fighting by killing off one half or the other, but stop it before you are all dead.

Comprende?

Either I am a complete and total liar having a grand old time before my ruse is up and my lynch comes in, or just maybe I have some information about alternate WCs.

[SPARTACUS1974]

For the love of god, the next idiot who says "but *snivel* but, but my win condition doesn't mention anything but total annihilation..." I am going to tear apart. Yes you are right. It doesn't say that. My role in this game is to convince you that you can indeed win, WITHOUT killing the whole other side. That is what I need to do to win, stop the fighting. Not stop the fighting by killing off one half or the other, but stop it before you are all dead.

Comprende?

Either I am a complete and total liar having a grand old time before my ruse is up and my lynch comes in, or just maybe I have some information about alternate WCs.

and if you are a good liar you win we lose Comprende

[Leehar]

Also remember sg that ghostly semi-claimed he was masoned with an Abrams!

[edocsil]

For the love of god, the next idiot who says "but *snivel* but, but my win condition doesn't mention anything but total annihilation..." I am going to tear apart. Yes you are right. It doesn't say that. My role in this game is to convince you that you can indeed win, WITHOUT killing the whole other side. That is what I need to do to win, stop the fighting. Not stop the fighting by killing off one half or the other, but stop it before you are all dead.

Comprende?

Either I am a complete and total liar having a grand old time before my ruse is up and my lynch comes in, or just maybe I have some information about alternate WCs.

and if you are a good liar you win we lose Comprende

No then the game would be up, I would swing and then the families would have a grand old time duking it out.

[shieldgenerator7]

Also remember sg that ghostly semi-claimed he was masoned with an Abrams!

yeah, but we don't know who abrams is. So you're right, that means we probably have at least 5 on each side, but my guess is still 6, because I doubt there'd be that much 3rd party players.