Romeo and Juliet Mafia - Capulet Victory. +Paris+John

dazza2008 · Post by **dazza2008** » Tue Feb 14, 2012 11:21 am

dazza2008 wrote:
jgordon1111 wrote:Thanks Edoc thought it might be something like that,I was thinking juliet though but she would still show montague. Everyone Is missing a vital point here. Who here wants to be dazza's next target and have your alignment shown to everyone this early in the game? Or at all for that matter. Useful If we didnt know who was doing it not so useful now.

We have an Idea of what Edoc might be.

We know what the general says he is,that can be tested at night if someone has the right ability

So what I am saying is we are on a time limit in this game, Dont waste the lynch.

Remove the third party that can identify all of us. It is a win for all other factions to do so.

I also have a 1 in 6 chance of finding ot the exact role so I could find the killer of your opposite faction. Is that sort of info not useful to you?

Also if you don't want to know any more I can choose not to target anyone and nothing will be revealed.

So if you guys want info I can give it but if you don't I won't.

So I cannot see why you have to lynch me. Jgordon says don't waste a lynch but that is exactly what he is trying to do by coming for me. I am no harm to anyone and I will play this however the majority want me to.

Fastposted by Mrs Gordon :lol:

jgordon1111 wrote:It would have been Dazza if you had not claimed and later in the game you could have used it as leverage to end game.

But right now, From my perspective you might be a serious liability to all other factions, with a shorter deadline.

And my apologies for referring to you as a female, I thought from other games you were a guy,but it kept popping up here that you were a woman for some reason and I thought I was wrong.

I pointed out here that I do not have to do anything. I do not have to use my powers so I would just be a survivior. No harm to anyone O:)

edocsil · Post by **edocsil** » Tue Feb 14, 2012 11:34 am

More info is good. Target every night. Who knows, Perhaps there is a random Cult or SK out there that we don't suspect.

jgordon1111 · Post by **jgordon1111** » Tue Feb 14, 2012 11:49 am

In that case Edoc,the deal would be that he would only reveal non family roles or something like that then?

If something along those lines would be a consensus with everyone I would remove my vote from Dazza, Because the odds would be if he did something different he would be lynched the next day.

Well thought out Edoc, The only other way to stop him would be hope a roleblock player was in the game and they would have to target him everynight.
And then hope that role blocker was aligned with the faction.

Thats alot of hopes,to many maybe if dazza goes crazy

shieldgenerator7 · Post by **shieldgenerator7** » Tue Feb 14, 2012 12:05 pm

but remember, dazza doesn't get the info and blurt it to town like a cop would, his info gets spilled right in the day scene. So it really isn't up to him if it happens. If he targets someone at night, that person's role WILL be displayed, whether or not dazza wants it to (unless of course you can target but not display?). So it's either on or off.

-SG7 (

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jgordon1111 · Post by **jgordon1111** » Tue Feb 14, 2012 12:13 pm

Good point shield I overlooked the obvious there. Mulling this over waiting for input from everyone else please.

dazza2008 · Post by **dazza2008** » Tue Feb 14, 2012 12:23 pm

If I target someone there faction will be revealed in the scene. I have no choice over that. I agree with edoc that more info out is better but I will go with the consensus.

The only info that I can choose to reveal is the role if I get it. I have a 1 in 6 chance. I will let you all decide what I do with that info if I do get it.

SPARTACUS1974 · Post by **SPARTACUS1974** » Tue Feb 14, 2012 12:31 pm

at the moment the more info we can get the better so i think daz should target some of the quieter players in this game who have not posted yet ?

Eldario · Post by **Eldario** » Tue Feb 14, 2012 12:36 pm

i think i agree with Spartacus

zimmah · Post by **zimmah** » Tue Feb 14, 2012 12:42 pm

i don't want to say too much as to not accidently confirm anything but the role of brother john has been designed by mob and me as a tool for a majority of the players to use.

remember that teamwork is required for almost everyone in this game to win, regardless of win conditions and team, knowing in which family someone belongs helps a lot with finding out who is who.

i could always modify the role to pm whoever has the role instead of making it a part of the night scene, but this probably has more downsides then upsides. it's your call though.

SPARTACUS1974 · Post by **SPARTACUS1974** » Tue Feb 14, 2012 12:43 pm

they may have been silenced but we have not heard alot from victor sullivan or bleed green so that info could be useful
unvote

SPARTACUS1974 · Post by **SPARTACUS1974** » Tue Feb 14, 2012 12:45 pm

sorry for double post but i think we should keep role as it is and we vote who we want daz to check out does this sound ok?

Leehar · Post by **Leehar** » Tue Feb 14, 2012 12:54 pm

Whats this 1 in 6 thing about Dazza? I heard you mention it before, but I'm not sure I get what you're doing?

chapcrap · Post by **chapcrap** » Tue Feb 14, 2012 1:05 pm

zimmah wrote:i don't want to say too much as to not accidently confirm anything but the role of brother john has been designed by mob and me as a tool for a majority of the players to use.

remember that teamwork is required for almost everyone in this game to win, regardless of win conditions and team, knowing in which family someone belongs helps a lot with finding out who is who.

i could always modify the role to pm whoever has the role instead of making it a part of the night scene, but this probably has more downsides then upsides. it's your call though.

Don't second guess yourself anymore!! Just leave things how they are!!

Second, Leehar, you are the biggest skimmer ever. If you can't remember something correctly, just go back and look. When he investigates people, he has a 1 in 6 chance of getting their exact role PM.

jgordon, wanting to kill dazza is the most ridiculous thing I've heard. He is revealing roles and we know his info is 100% true because it comes straight from the mod. It's awesome! Keep him alive.

Info is good, but 3 claims on day 1 is a lot already. I don't think that we necessarily need to lynch someone at this point. I think that the best course of action is to see if general is telling the truth or not. That is more information for us. He could be lying right now about being invincible.

And it sounds like edoc is exactly what I said in my last post. Not a Montague, just aligned with them.

chapcrap wrote:Ok, there are so many inaccuracies about what has happened, it's blowing my mind!!

dazza never said what edocsil was or wasn't. It was zimmah who said that edocsil was aligned with the Montagues. He never said that he was a Montague, just that he was aligned with him. So, edoc can be telling the truth when saying he's not a Montague. And dazza never said anything about edocsil except that he was the one who who caused edoc's role to become public.

Moving on, to actually comment on what alt said. I would agree with him that it is very unlikely that the the friars aren't linked. Perhaps they are linked unknowingly, but I find it unlikely.

General, if you do want to take a chance to contribute; can you tell us how you know that there are 2 vigs?

Let's think things through.

edocsil · Post by **edocsil** » Tue Feb 14, 2012 1:06 pm

SPARTACUS1974 wrote:sorry for double post but i think we should keep role as it is and we vote who we want daz to check out does this sound ok?

I think not. Daz will do fine on his own. Any voting will just be a control for power. That is the same sort of wrongness as telling the cop who to investigate. Results can be mucked up otherwise.

jgordon1111 wrote:In that case Edoc,the deal would be that he would only reveal non family roles or something like that then?

You are part of one of the Families. Unvote Vote JG

We need information as to how this game works and whose win conditions are compatible. Perhaps I am lucky and you are one of the vigs who is going to be killing at night.

Eldario · Post by **Eldario** » Tue Feb 14, 2012 1:08 pm

Leehar wrote:Whats this 1 in 6 thing about Dazza? I heard you mention it before, but I'm not sure I get what you're doing?

it means dazza has 17% chance of finding out the exakt role of his target

fastposted twice

Leehar · Post by **Leehar** » Tue Feb 14, 2012 1:31 pm

Ok, I got that drift, but then basically the other 5 times we just get what was posted in the dawn scene?
I'm just curious why it's such a random number and why thats so much more important when what he's showing seems valuable enough anyway.

Otherwise, if we're leaning towards no lynch, then it doesn't hurt to confirm Generals claim.
And idk why I still think he said something about being responsible for the edoc expose somehow

SPARTACUS1974 · Post by **SPARTACUS1974** » Tue Feb 14, 2012 1:34 pm

he did say he targeted edoc on N1 but it was the mod that posted and as we know we have 2 brothers in dazza and general , and general stated that he knows there are 2 vigs we can presume thats 1 on each family .

dazza2008 · Post by **dazza2008** » Tue Feb 14, 2012 1:41 pm

Leehar wrote:Ok, I got that drift, but then basically the other 5 times we just get what was posted in the dawn scene?
I'm just curious why it's such a random number and why thats so much more important when what he's showing seems valuable enough anyway.

Otherwise, if we're leaning towards no lynch, then it doesn't hurt to confirm Generals claim.
And idk why I still think he said something about being responsible for the edoc expose somehow

I can't really answer that can I? Only the mods know why they made any role the way they did.

I can only assume he will roll a dice and that will determine if I get the role or not.

Bleed_Green · Post by **Bleed_Green** » Tue Feb 14, 2012 1:58 pm

Alright so I am all caught up on this now... Quite a bit going on here lol

Leehar: Otherwise, if we're leaning towards no lynch, then it doesn't hurt to confirm Generals claim.

I agree with this if we are currently in a stale mate and moving towards a no lynch day, better to see if his claim is true versus not lynching him and finding out later that he lied about it. Plus is so adamant about being invincible so he should not mind it at all.

Edoc is still underneath the montague roof and that is why he was outed for being aligned with them, he may not be one of the key family members but he still has the win condition if the house wins

Dazza role I believe right now can be extremely helpful if you proceed with caution cause potential he could completely out your fraction in a couple nights

This is just a flavour spec. But to me it seems that we are starting at the beginning of the story where R&J have not met as of yet, so as I read back that the friars and conditions to win would be to introduce them or something along those lines which would fit Generals claim since he is looking for specific people. Romeo and Juliets win condition could be based on their family eliminating the other.

Leehar · Post by **Leehar** » Tue Feb 14, 2012 2:06 pm

It's valentine so I'm inclined to believe in a more 'meet, marry and live happily ever after' ending

alt1978 · Post by **alt1978** » Tue Feb 14, 2012 2:43 pm

Re: Romeo and Juliet Mafia [16/16] Day One

Postby Leehar on Mon Feb 13, 2012 2:13 am
Poisoning will come into affect the next night. (So you can poison someone tonight, but he'll die upon the next night)

I had a general question because I am still new to mafia...especially cc mafia...but is it common knowledge that this is how poisoning works in a mafia game...or is this something specific that leehar revealed that only a poisoner or one with poising related abilities would be able to conjecture? I checked back through the thread and zimmah never mentioned publicly the mechanism of poison...but i also may just have a limited understanding of how these things work.

I can see great irony in the poisoner mentioning happy endings and valentines day.

Leehar wrote:It's valentine so I'm inclined to believe in a more 'meet, marry and live happily ever after' ending

edocsil · Post by **edocsil** » Tue Feb 14, 2012 2:48 pm

Bleed_Green wrote:Edoc is still underneath the montague roof and that is why he was outed for being aligned with them, he may not be one of the key family members but he still has the win condition if the house wins

This is untrue. It should be easily evidenced by my words so far that my WC is not the same as the Montague's. I love how my JG vote has gotten totally ignored in favor of flav spec.

zimmah · Post by **zimmah** » Tue Feb 14, 2012 2:53 pm

Vote count

[1] Shieldgenerator7 - New Guy, [L-8]
[1] Edocsil - Sg7, [L-8]
[4] TheGeneral2112 - Leehar, Some7hingCLEVER, dazza2008, TheGeneral2112, [L-5]
[1] dazza2008 - jgordon1111 [L-8]
[2] jgordon1111 - edocsil, SPARTACUS1974 [L-7]

[all those guys below have 0 votes but can be voted]
Victor Sullivan
new guy1
Some7hingCLEVER
ghostly447
eldario
Bleed_Green
chapcrap
alt1978
Leehar
NoSurvivors
SPARTACUS1974

there's 16 alive so 9 votes are needed for a lynch

SPARTACUS1974 · Post by **SPARTACUS1974** » Tue Feb 14, 2012 2:56 pm

jgordon1111 wrote:Thanks Edoc thought it might be something like that,I was thinking juliet though but she would still show montague. Everyone Is missing a vital point here. Who here wants to be dazza's next target and have your alignment shown to everyone this early in the game? Or at all for that matter. Useful If we didnt know who was doing it not so useful now.

We have an Idea of what Edoc might be.

We know what the general says he is,that can be tested at night if someone has the right ability

So what I am saying is we are on a time limit in this game, Dont waste the lynch.

Remove the third party that can identify all of us. It is a win for all other factions to do so.

So why dont you want daz to reveal others i cant see the major harm as he only has a 1 in 6 chance ?
you seem to feel very strongly about not revealing so you must be hiding something for this vote jgordon

jgordon1111 · Post by **jgordon1111** » Tue Feb 14, 2012 3:16 pm

Yes spartacus I am hiding my faction at this point as should everyone else. spartacus are you understanding that 1-6 is something different that will tell what your role is to Dazza. other than that every single time that dazza targets your alignment is revealed.

So a scenario for some that may have missed this conception.

Dazza targets spartacus, the next day you show up in the scenario as a (capulet) this is not a 1-6 chance this will happen.
now the 1-6 shot happens Dazza now also gets the chance to get your role (doctor)

Now the montagues know you are a capulet and you are their doctor. Do you think the montagues vig who hasnt been identified yet is going to let you live If dazza reveals this. We dont know what dazza's endgame win is. If you are a capulet or montague or aligned to them your endgame win is when R&J die.

That cannot possibly be dazza's endgame win.

For those 2 reasons I voted Dazza.

Thanks for the vote of confidence as usual Edoc,LOL