Streaky Dice Question

[RADAGA]

pretty good? as in rolling 2 vs 2 and winning double 3 times in a row?

I´d think this would be pretty rare...

[natty dread]

Sure it is, it doesn't happen often. What's your point?

When you pick out one assault event among hundreds of games, and say "look at this! this should happen rarely!" ... I don't really get what the point is? What would you be trying to prove? That things that happen rarely... actually happen rarely?

[canadian bacon]

well put natty

[chang50]

Anyone else noticed the similiarities between debating with dice-whingers and the religious,the same appeals to emotion over rationality,the same misapplication of logic and poor understanding of probability.Most especially a fatuousness that clouds their perception of their abilities and importance?

[natty dread]

Anyone else noticed the similiarities between debating with dice-whingers and the religious,the same appeals to emotion over rationality,the same misapplication of logic and poor understanding of probability.Most especially a fatuousness that clouds their perception of their abilities and importance?

albeit I still believe that there is a sutle flaw in the generator that make ties happen slightly more than they should

Yeah, you go ahead and believe that, but you don't have any evidence to back up your claim.

Hey, what do you know. Dice Bitching is a religion now.

[chang50]

Anyone else noticed the similiarities between debating with dice-whingers and the religious,the same appeals to emotion over rationality,the same misapplication of logic and poor understanding of probability.Most especially a fatuousness that clouds their perception of their abilities and importance?

albeit I still believe that there is a sutle flaw in the generator that make ties happen slightly more than they should

Yeah, you go ahead and believe that, but you don't have any evidence to back up your claim.

Hey, what do you know. Dice Bitching is a religion now.

Must have missed that one,so I am not alone..

[AndyDufresne]

Found some religious dice:




--Andy

[nikola_milicki]

all u who think dice are good can suck my dick for what Ive just seen in my 1on1! dice are shit!!

[natty dread]

LIFE IS SO UNFAIR

[canadian bacon]

all u who think dice are good can suck my dick for what Ive just seen in my 1on1! dice are shit!!

Why does no one ever post their rolls instead of net results? It's SO much harder to take whiners seriously without cold hard rolls posted.... Not that we take whiners seriously anyway.....

[AndyDufresne]

Someone should make a streaky spoils topic. The last couple of cash-ins I've had in a single flat rate game have been pretty pathetic---'tis why I usually avoid flat rate games!

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We'll see how my dice go once I've got some more games going.


--Andy

[zimmah]

Someone should make a streaky spoils topic. The last couple of cash-ins I've had in a single flat rate game have been pretty pathetic---'tis why I usually avoid flat rate games!

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We'll see how my dice go once I've got some more games going.


--Andy

i avoid flat rate usually too, not as much as i avoid freestyle, but still, it's my least-played spoils setting, i may even prefer nucliar.

happens often when you take a head start the first 3 turns, get yourself a good position, and then the opponent cashes a rainbow on turn 4, while you're stuck with 3 reds on your turn 6. gg.

[Condestável]

LIFE IS SO UNFAIR

I've seen you like to make fun of people who complain about the dice. Sure there are some outlandish claims, but ever played dice for real? I mean not only in Risk, but in games like backgammon or dice poker, for example. The thing about these streaks is true, and it is more noticeable for people who play few games.

Because you are premiums, you don't care about losing a game or twenty. You play tens of them at the same time. You just don't care for absurd streaks. To me it's pretty frustrating to mount a strategy and have the game completely f****d up because of exorbitant results that are as probable as winning the lottery every year assuming I play every week.

Fact is I also have fabulous wins, like 20 against 20 and winning 17-0, which I think it's pretty ridiculous. However you don't usually try 20vx20 unless you have nothing to lose. So, these exciting results happen mostly when you don't exactly need them, which obviously enhances negative perception.

Claim what you want. I don't have patience for this. Maps are so pretty and well made, but the game itself is an absolute killjoy compared with the real game, where dice decide the edge of taking a risk or not (hence the name), not these absurd "lemming" streaks game after game.

I was going to give 25 bucks this Christmas... LOL. Not anymore, I'm almost fed up again and sooner or later going on another 6-month vacations of this until I forget how unreal is and return for more.

You still ask why is this in decline? ask most of the people who leave, why they leave. Apart from the regulars, most of people here are in transit till they get fed off this so beloved "randomness". I wonder how many of you have a math degree, since I read so much "science" here and even psychology lessons on perception.

[Army of GOD]

LIFE IS SO UNFAIR

I've seen you like to make fun of people who complain about the dice. Sure there are some outlandish claims, but ever played dice for real? I mean not only in Risk, but in games like backgammon or dice poker, for example. The thing about these streaks is true, and it is more noticeable for people who play few games.

Because you are premiums, you don't care about losing a game or twenty. You play tens of them at the same time. You just don't care for absurd streaks. To me it's pretty frustrating to mount a strategy and have the game completely f****d up because of exorbitant results that are as probable as winning the lottery every year assuming I play every week.

Fact is I also have fabulous wins, like 20 against 20 and winning 17-0, which I think it's pretty ridiculous. However you don't usually try 20vx20 unless you have nothing to lose. So, these exciting results happen mostly when you don't exactly need them, which obviously enhances negative perception.

Claim what you want. I don't have patience for this. Maps are so pretty and well made, but the game itself is an absolute killjoy compared with the real game, where dice decide the edge of taking a risk or not (hence the name), not these absurd "lemming" streaks game after game.

I was going to give 25 bucks this Christmas... LOL. Not anymore, I'm almost fed up again and sooner or later going on another 6-month vacations of this until I forget how unreal is and return for more.

You still ask why is this in decline? ask most of the people who leave, why they leave. Apart from the regulars, most of people here are in transit till they get fed off this so beloved "randomness". I wonder how many of you have a math degree, since I read so much "science" here and even psychology lessons on perception.

Have you done legitimate testing at the "randomness" of CC dice compared to "real dice"?

If you say anything but yes, then please, don't ever post again.

I was a freemium on this site for a year before becoming a premium member (some cutie bought it for me <3). Not once then did I ever question the randomness of the dice and I still don't. Here are my reasons:

1. I never tested the randomness of the dice on this site or real dice, so I wouldn't know their relation
2. Assuming they're unfair, aren't they equally unfair? It's not like your opponent gets good dice all the time while yours suck. If they streak, then they streak equally. In the end, the dice remain fair. Don't act like you're the only victim.
3. It's an online game, and seriously, my ability to give a shit is very low.

[Army of GOD]

Dice Bitching is a religion now.

Um, EXCUSE ME, but I'm sure the Cube God isn't going to like this.

Get ready to sacrifice ten lambs and seven ants or else you'll be on the path to SQUARE HELL

[BigBallinStalin]

Found some religious dice:




--Andy

The CUBE GOD is not pleased with the false images on the right die.

[AndyDufresne]

What about this one?



--Andy

[Condestável]

LIFE IS SO UNFAIR

I've seen you like to make fun of people who complain about the dice. Sure there are some outlandish claims, but ever played dice for real? I mean not only in Risk, but in games like backgammon or dice poker, for example. The thing about these streaks is true, and it is more noticeable for people who play few games.

Because you are premiums, you don't care about losing a game or twenty. You play tens of them at the same time. You just don't care for absurd streaks. To me it's pretty frustrating to mount a strategy and have the game completely f****d up because of exorbitant results that are as probable as winning the lottery every year assuming I play every week.

Fact is I also have fabulous wins, like 20 against 20 and winning 17-0, which I think it's pretty ridiculous. However you don't usually try 20vx20 unless you have nothing to lose. So, these exciting results happen mostly when you don't exactly need them, which obviously enhances negative perception.

Claim what you want. I don't have patience for this. Maps are so pretty and well made, but the game itself is an absolute killjoy compared with the real game, where dice decide the edge of taking a risk or not (hence the name), not these absurd "lemming" streaks game after game.

I was going to give 25 bucks this Christmas... LOL. Not anymore, I'm almost fed up again and sooner or later going on another 6-month vacations of this until I forget how unreal is and return for more.

You still ask why is this in decline? ask most of the people who leave, why they leave. Apart from the regulars, most of people here are in transit till they get fed off this so beloved "randomness". I wonder how many of you have a math degree, since I read so much "science" here and even psychology lessons on perception.

Have you done legitimate testing at the "randomness" of CC dice compared to "real dice"?

If you say anything but yes, then please, don't ever post again.

I was a freemium on this site for a year before becoming a premium member (some cutie bought it for me <3). Not once then did I ever question the randomness of the dice and I still don't. Here are my reasons:

1. I never tested the randomness of the dice on this site or real dice, so I wouldn't know their relation
2. Assuming they're unfair, aren't they equally unfair? It's not like your opponent gets good dice all the time while yours suck. If they streak, then they streak equally. In the end, the dice remain fair. Don't act like you're the only victim.
3. It's an online game, and seriously, my ability to give a shit is very low.

No, it's not equally unfair because you level up the annoying quantity of bullshit events by playing tens of games at the same time, like pundit gamblers, like traders. That's why you don't give a shit.

This is the crux of the question that most people don't get. This is the business secret of this site, my friend, the very reason of game limit per free accounts.

Unfortunately many people go emotional, just like bad gamblers do. And you even mock them with questionable antics, which gives them just one more reason to leave.

Ultimately the result is visible: while the clans increase and it's always the same people geeking around, the peak of overall users is long gone.

[chang50]

LIFE IS SO UNFAIR

I've seen you like to make fun of people who complain about the dice. Sure there are some outlandish claims, but ever played dice for real? I mean not only in Risk, but in games like backgammon or dice poker, for example. The thing about these streaks is true, and it is more noticeable for people who play few games.

Because you are premiums, you don't care about losing a game or twenty. You play tens of them at the same time. You just don't care for absurd streaks. To me it's pretty frustrating to mount a strategy and have the game completely f****d up because of exorbitant results that are as probable as winning the lottery every year assuming I play every week.

Fact is I also have fabulous wins, like 20 against 20 and winning 17-0, which I think it's pretty ridiculous. However you don't usually try 20vx20 unless you have nothing to lose. So, these exciting results happen mostly when you don't exactly need them, which obviously enhances negative perception.

Claim what you want. I don't have patience for this. Maps are so pretty and well made, but the game itself is an absolute killjoy compared with the real game, where dice decide the edge of taking a risk or not (hence the name), not these absurd "lemming" streaks game after game.

I was going to give 25 bucks this Christmas... LOL. Not anymore, I'm almost fed up again and sooner or later going on another 6-month vacations of this until I forget how unreal is and return for more.

You still ask why is this in decline? ask most of the people who leave, why they leave. Apart from the regulars, most of people here are in transit till they get fed off this so beloved "randomness". I wonder how many of you have a math degree, since I read so much "science" here and even psychology lessons on perception.

Have you done legitimate testing at the "randomness" of CC dice compared to "real dice"?

If you say anything but yes, then please, don't ever post again.

I was a freemium on this site for a year before becoming a premium member (some cutie bought it for me <3). Not once then did I ever question the randomness of the dice and I still don't. Here are my reasons:

1. I never tested the randomness of the dice on this site or real dice, so I wouldn't know their relation
2. Assuming they're unfair, aren't they equally unfair? It's not like your opponent gets good dice all the time while yours suck. If they streak, then they streak equally. In the end, the dice remain fair. Don't act like you're the only victim.
3. It's an online game, and seriously, my ability to give a shit is very low.

No, it's not equally unfair because you level up the annoying quantity of bullshit events by playing tens of games at the same time, like pundit gamblers, like traders. That's why you don't give a shit.

This is the crux of the question that most people don't get. This is the business secret of this site, my friend, the very reason of game limit per free accounts.

Unfortunately many people go emotional, just like bad gamblers do. And you even mock them with questionable antics, which gives them just one more reason to leave.

Ultimately the result is visible: while the clans increase and it's always the same people geeking around, the peak of overall users is long gone.

Well I'm a freemium and I have no complaints about the dice at all,really the only thing that interferes with my enjoyment of cc is serial dice bitchers..

[natty dread]

Um, EXCUSE ME, but I'm sure the Cube God isn't going to like this.

Get ready to sacrifice ten lambs and seven ants or else you'll be on the path to SQUARE HELL

You forget that I'm the Euclidean Eminence of CUBE GOD and I interpret his will on earth, therefore I have first hand knowledge what he likes. (He does like back massages.)

Furthermore, I'm going to have to order you 12 days of penile self-flagellation for not capitalizing CUBE GOD's name.

[Tennisie]

Whenever I read the title of this thread, I picture a stream of watery fecal matter trailing from two dice.

Dice-arrhea

[natty dread]

LIFE IS SO UNFAIR

I've seen you like to make fun of people who complain about the dice. Sure there are some outlandish claims, but ever played dice for real? I mean not only in Risk, but in games like backgammon or dice poker, for example. The thing about these streaks is true, and it is more noticeable for people who play few games.

Streaks are a natural function of random streams. Look it up.

Claim what you want. I don't have patience for this. Maps are so pretty and well made, but the game itself is an absolute killjoy compared with the real game, where dice decide the edge of taking a risk or not (hence the name), not these absurd "lemming" streaks game after game.

So don't play. If it's not fun you shouldn't be doing it. I can't believe you'd want to play here only so you'd get to complain about it on the forums.

You still ask why is this in decline? ask most of the people who leave, why they leave. Apart from the regulars, most of people here are in transit till they get fed off this so beloved "randomness". I wonder how many of you have a math degree, since I read so much "science" here and even psychology lessons on perception.

Ok, and here's why everything you said is totally wrong.

People who complain about the dice would complain about the dice no matter how they behave. It's been proven time and again that the dice are completely random and the amount of streaks is within expected limits. Everyone who has done some actual studying on the statistics of the dice of this site has found it so.

Why do people still complain? It's a fundamental flaw in human psyche. Our brains are not built for understanding randomness. We like to impose patterns on everything we see. If you take any string of random numbers, you can find some kind of pattern in it. I notice that most people who complain about the dice are those who always love to blame others for their own failures. It's never their fault, their strategy is always perfect, only the dice are keeping them from prospering. Dice are an easy scapegoat, something external you have no control on to blame your failures on. It's easier than to own up to the fact that your strategy needs work.

There's also gambler's fallacy. This is what keeps you assaulting when you're getting bad dice. You feel that with so many losing rolls, a winning roll is "due", when in reality the previous rolls have no effect on the next ones. If you flip a coin 30 times and get heads every time, the probability for the next flip to be heads is still 50/50.

You say that real dice don't act the way CC dice do, but even as a freemium, you play tons more games on CC than you play board games - unless you're a member of some kind of daily risk games club or you work as a playtester on Hasbro... so naturally, on CC, you see the more extreme ends of randomness more often - the sample size is larger.

The real problem is, you have expectations on how you think the dice should behave. But randomness can't be predicted, it's by definition an unpredictable element. So what you should do is plan around that. Whenever you plan your moves, think of every eventuality - take in account the possibility that your dice rolls fail and plan accordingly. Make contingency plans. That's what the best players do, they take every possibility in account and plan for them, and that's what makes them good at this game.

[BigBallinStalin]

Nah, that can't be true. MY CUBE GOD told me that you're wrong.

[Condestável]

Sorry, Natty, but I've played much more games in real life than here. I play here because the maps you draw are beautiful. Hands down.

The upset its that this randomizer does not give you a taste of reality. At the end of the day the average is 3.50 but it is too streaky and favours people who play tens of games.

Anyway, my rank is not bad for 80 normal games.

[BigBallinStalin]

Sorry, Natty, but I've played much more games in real life than here. I play here because the maps you draw are beautiful. Hands down.

The upset its that this randomizer does not give you a taste of reality. At the end of the day the average is 3.50 but it is too streaky and favours people who play tens of games.

Anyway, my rank is not bad for 80 normal games.

OH! OH! This guy belongs in the Nutty Professor category of dice complainers, correct???


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