Fog of War Cheating?

[meez2.0]

If one player sees that another player has a lot of troops on a territory and reveals this to other players is that cheating? I don't think so. Especially because in this case, I have the most territories but this guy has a LOT of troops on this one territory while he's trying to get the two other players to gang up on me (and they can only see how many territories I have, not how many troops he has). So I obviously want to say, "Hey, I'm not the only threat, this guy has a ton of troops FYI"

[trinicardinal]

its not cheating but most people consider it to be poor sportmanship

[meez2.0]

I see it as strategy, trying to break up a potential alliance that this guy with 50 troops on 1 territory has. Maybe this is a cultural difference? He's Canadian and your from Trinidad and Tobago? We Americans are some pretty cutthroat people. Anyway, I wouldn't like it either if I were him because it obviously hurts his chance of tricking people into an alliance when he's actually just as big of a threat, but I would understand if someone did same to me.

[trinicardinal]

I see it as strategy, trying to break up a potential alliance that this guy with 50 troops on 1 territory has. Maybe this is a cultural difference? He's Canadian and your from Trinidad and Tobago? We Americans are some pretty cutthroat people. Anyway, I wouldn't like it either if I were him because it obviously hurts his chance of tricking people into an alliance when he's actually just as big of a threat, but I would understand if someone did same to me.

Oh I understand... but you are not the first to ask the question... by far the majority of the responses I have seen to questions like this is that it is poor sportsmanship... I happen to agree. It has happened to me several times but where I come from has nothing to do with my answer.

[meez2.0]

"It has happened to me several times but where I come from has nothing to do with my answer."

Chill dude, it was a joke. But thanks for your input.

[delahoc]

No, it's not cheating. Just part of the game. And I don't consider it poor sportsmanship either. In fact, I kinda get tired of people saying it's either.

Frankly, I've seen people use that strategy when no such build up of troops exist - so other players can be just as easily fooled when the strategy is used for misinformation. So it works both ways.

[Evil Semp]

I am going to move this to Q&A.

You don't have to say how many troops but you might want to say that he has a big stack on your border.

[Culs De Sac]

I happen to feel that stating the Number of troops someone has in Fog is rather disturbing.. the whole point of the Fog game is for only YOU to have the knowledge of where your opponent is and how many troops he has..So to divulge that information goes against the principal of the game..

FOG implies you can't see or know EVERYTHING unless you have spread out enough to see it yourself.. So to give someone else information that they have not earned (by taking regions or exploring, etc) is just poor play..

From your post what I can gather you got yourself in a jam you couldn't get out of and you chose to ask the others to bail you out so you could still win. If your opponent stacked and is gonna kick your teeth in for being patient, then that is well played on his part and you should keep your mouth shut and take the ass whooping like a man or woman.

[Catarah]

on the other hand, it is foggy, so what any player is saying might as well be a big lie.

there is a chat, and it can be used to make alliances and such. if that is the case, then that means you're allowed to manipulate eachother to get the best results, and lying, or revealing information may be part of that.

[SirSebstar]

Culs du Sac speaks for the group of people who think it is unsportsmanlike, however i can assure you, you can divulge such information in foggy games. ofcourse, you can also lie about the strenght, location, ect ect, misdirection is part of the game.

[Qwert]

no its not cheating, only what you can get its foe from other players and nothing else.

[rokus35]

this is the way i see it
how can you know if their telling the truth
if their desperate enough to tell how many armies you have how to know their not desperate enough to lie to you

[lowbrow909]

I've definitely been stung by this but I like it as another facet of the game that falls under diplomacy/subterfuge. A facet of the game that I suck at.

[tkr4lf]

I see nothing wrong with it. Maybe, like ES suggested, only say something about the large number of troops said opponent has bordering you. I wouldn't say an exact number about an opponent. Be vague, but still get the point across.

The way I see it, misinformation, subterfuge, diplomacy...they're all part of the game. I have a suspicion that the people who don't like it just aren't very good at it. Who knows, though?

[Evil Semp]

I see it as strategy, trying to break up a potential alliance that this guy with 50 troops on 1 territory has. Maybe this is a cultural difference? He's Canadian and your from Trinidad and Tobago? We Americans are some pretty cutthroat people. Anyway, I wouldn't like it either if I were him because it obviously hurts his chance of tricking people into an alliance when he's actually just as big of a threat, but I would understand if someone did same to me.

Oh I understand... but you are not the first to ask the question... by far the majority of the responses I have seen to questions like this is that it is poor sportsmanship... I happen to agree. It has happened to me several times but where I come from has nothing to do with my answer.

I think the reason that most of the discussion on this topic is because the person giving the info is telling the truth so the others know about the stack or bonus. How many use it to give false information? I think that would be interesting to know.

[chapcrap]

I see it as strategy, trying to break up a potential alliance that this guy with 50 troops on 1 territory has. Maybe this is a cultural difference? He's Canadian and your from Trinidad and Tobago? We Americans are some pretty cutthroat people. Anyway, I wouldn't like it either if I were him because it obviously hurts his chance of tricking people into an alliance when he's actually just as big of a threat, but I would understand if someone did same to me.

Oh I understand... but you are not the first to ask the question... by far the majority of the responses I have seen to questions like this is that it is poor sportsmanship... I happen to agree. It has happened to me several times but where I come from has nothing to do with my answer.

I think the reason that most of the discussion on this topic is because the person giving the info is telling the truth so the others know about the stack or bonus. How many use it to give false information? I think that would be interesting to know.

I have.

And I can think of at least 5 other specific people that I know do.

[betiko]

I agree with some of you here; i would be vague about the amount of troops, but I would give away the exact bonus the team/player we need to gang up against has, it public information.
anyway, the team/player will always say you are lying; if you need to tell it because you feel the other team/player is not aware of the huge strength of the juggernaut, go ahead. it s all revealed by the log and the logic of the attacks happened in the game.

[Viceroy63]

I think that there should be made a totally new category for "FOG OF WAR."

I think that no one should be able to see any troops what so ever except their own.

Even the region that you are attacking, you should not be able to know how many troops you took on to gain that region. Only that either you were successfull or that you fail. The only other information that one can know about their attacks is how many rolls of the dice it took to do it in.

That would really be something; calling for a whole new way of thinking and fighting for regions.

[Dukasaur]

I think that there should be made a totally new category for "FOG OF WAR."

I think that no one should be able to see any troops what so ever except their own.

Even the region that you are attacking, you should not be able to know how many troops you took on to gain that region. Only that either you were successfull or that you fail. The only other information that one can know about their attacks is how many rolls of the dice it took to do it in.

That would really be something; calling for a whole new way of thinking and fighting for regions.

That actually would be quite interesting. I can't imagine myself playing that way very often, but once in a while, just for a change, I would definitely try it.

We are however, drifting off topic. You should probably start this in the Suggestions forum.

[talonz]

its not cheating but most people consider it to be poor sportmanship

You can only really speak for yourself. It is not poor sportsmanship. Anything allowed by the rules that does not delay the game is sporting. Consider it a from of intelligence, and an unreliable one at best in a freeforall game.

[Geger]

its not cheating but most people consider it to be poor sportmanship

You can only really speak for yourself. It is not poor sportsmanship. Anything allowed by the rules that does not delay the game is sporting. Consider it a from of intelligence, and an unreliable one at best in a freeforall game.

This is the problem. Some say it's poor sportmanship, and others say not. Hm...

[GoranZ]

If one player sees that another player has a lot of troops on a territory and reveals this to other players is that cheating? I don't think so. Especially because in this case, I have the most territories but this guy has a LOT of troops on this one territory while he's trying to get the two other players to gang up on me (and they can only see how many territories I have, not how many troops he has). So I obviously want to say, "Hey, I'm not the only threat, this guy has a ton of troops FYI"

The moment someone tries to assemble a team of players to fight agents you, its equally fair if you reveal his unit locations, and you dont play unfair regardless what some players say or think.

I happen to feel that stating the Number of troops someone has in Fog is rather disturbing.. the whole point of the Fog game is for only YOU to have the knowledge of where your opponent is and how many troops he has..So to divulge that information goes against the principal of the game..

FOG implies you can't see or know EVERYTHING unless you have spread out enough to see it yourself.. So to give someone else information that they have not earned (by taking regions or exploring, etc) is just poor play..

From your post what I can gather you got yourself in a jam you couldn't get out of and you chose to ask the others to bail you out so you could still win. If your opponent stacked and is gonna kick your teeth in for being patient, then that is well played on his part and you should keep your mouth shut and take the ass whooping like a man or woman.

Culs once players start playing as a team in standard game everything you said becomes void... its called standard game for a reason. There is other setting available for team games.

no its not cheating, only what you can get its foe from other players and nothing else.

the other player already want to benefit from the situation using misdirection, so the question is who will foe first.

[lykoz]

Culs du Sac speaks for the group of people who think it is unsportsmanlike, however i can assure you, you can divulge such information in foggy games. ofcourse, you can also lie about the strenght, location, ect ect, misdirection is part of the game.

yep what he said....
You need to give information IF IT BENEFITS YOUR PERSONAL GAME - the info could also be bullshit... I like to have a reputation for reliable information... but that could make the bluff that much better, because I rarely bluff.... but I will never give away an individuals fogged up info UNLESS it is directly in my ADVANTAGE to do so!

[codierose]

Culs du Sac speaks for the group of people who think it is unsportsmanlike, however i can assure you, you can divulge such information in foggy games. ofcourse, you can also lie about the strenght, location, ect ect, misdirection is part of the game.

however i can assure you, you can divulge such information in foggy games thats all i got to say about that comment
see this to often in speed games totaly agree with culs you get one warnining from me then foed fog is fog for a reason dont f*ck it up for others

but I will never give away an individuals fogged up info UNLESS it is directly in my ADVANTAGE to do so!

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for someone to do that in my games is very low and no warning straight to the top of my foe list imo