Does the United Kingdom need to be repaired?

[2dimes]

There you go, Rover moving will probably have a negative impact on the UK job market too.

I don't live there but I'm thinking loosing permanent jobs of any kind in bermingham is a bad thing.

I guess if it's a good thing I just don't understand the country. Carry on, I'll go now.

[Stopper]

HP stands for Harry Palmer? Bugger me. Not a lot of people know that, I bet.

[edmundomcpot]

the houses of parliament on the front of the bottles are kinda decieving arnt they. Maybe this harry palmer person was a politicitian

[Guiscard]

I just don't understand the country. Carry on, I'll go now.

Good idea.

[Stopper]

the houses of parliament on the front of the bottles are kinda decieving arnt they. Maybe this harry palmer person was a politicitian

Nah, just my feeble attempt at a joke. Harry Palmer was a secret agent, and Michael Caine played him, and a catchphrase associated with him is "not a lot of people know that". See? Rubbish joke.

[Titanic]

Hm...never knew HP stood for that.

[Gallymore]

There is alot more wrong in america i'd say than uk, muslims to be singled out as a group is unfair really because most of them are nice people, but as the stupid actions of some people have made it be this way...

[2dimes]

I just don't understand the country. Carry on, I'll go now.

Good idea.

So please continue with out me.

I'm interested to hear about how there must be a shortage of workers in Birmingham, thus making the HP plant closure a positive thing by freeing up some for other industries etc.

[Guiscard]

I just don't understand the country. Carry on, I'll go now.

Good idea.

So please continue with out me.

I'm interested to hear about how there must be a shortage of workers in Birmingham, thus making the HP plant closure a positive thing by freeing up some for other industries etc.

You really are annoyed about brown sauce aintcha!

[2dimes]

I know a good thing when I pour it on meat cooked over a flame.
It irks me when an industry that has been around for so long, ends up
cheaping out and moving to some third world country, like Sweden.

[Guiscard]

I know a good thing when I pour it on meat cooked over a flame.
It irks me when an industry that has been around for so long, ends up
cheaping out and moving to some third world country, like Sweden.

obviously factory closures aren't a good thing, but this isn't an entire industry... Its 120 jobs. Also its owned by a US company (so maybe not Britain that needs fixing over this issue) and its being moved to the netherlands, not a third world country.

[AlgyTaylor]

No, it doesn't need "repairing". Just a bit of structural reworking (proportional representation etc). But generally, I think Britain's in rude health at the moment.

[2dimes]

Can't fix the US.

[Taff]

There are only two things that really need repairing in the UK, and once they are done then the rest will self heal given time, and that's the absolute idiot we have in charge, the "Spinmeister" Tony Blair, and his heir apparent the Scottish Highwayman Gordon Brown. The sooner they are gone the better the UK will be. It days of old they would have been hunted down, hung, drawn and quartered for the daylight robbery they are committing on everyday Brits, and not just the rich I might add. Highway robbery used to be illegal in this country now the damn government themselves condone it and use it.

[Guiscard]

There are only two things that really need repairing in the UK, and once they are done then the rest will self heal given time, and that's the absolute idiot we have in charge, the "Spinmeister" Tony Blair, and his heir apparent the Scottish Highwayman Gordon Brown. The sooner they are gone the better the UK will be. It days of old they would have been hunted down, hung, drawn and quartered for the daylight robbery they are committing on everyday Brits, and not just the rich I might add. Highway robbery used to be illegal in this country now the damn government themselves condone it and use it.

I can understand opposition to Blair on the grounds of the war in Iraq (although I don't believe that's a valid criticism although I do disagree with the war itself). Any actual facts for why you don't like Brown other than daily telegraph bullshit prose? He has done a hell of a lot to keep Britain's economy as strong as possible in a time when it could easily bomb. People like to criticise wildly without really educating themselves. He's kept the pound is strong. He's introduced low-income tax credits to limit the burden of taxation falling on those who have least means to pay it. The Tory's were boom and bust, but Brown has managed to stabilise and create strong growth and low inflation.

I know people get bored of governments, but don't lose your head. What the hell do you think your life would have been like under boom-and-bust Tory economic policy? If you think Brown was bad...

Daylight robbery? Idiot.

[Stopper]

The sooner they are gone the better the UK will be. It days of old they would have been hunted down, hung, drawn and quartered for the daylight robbery they are committing on everyday Brits, and not just the rich I might add. Highway robbery used to be illegal in this country now the damn government themselves condone it and use it.

Daylight robbery? Would that the rich did get properly taxed. Many of the very rich don't even get taxed at all.

[GoldenNaruto]

We should all go and party in the UK that will help the economy.

[flashleg8]

We should all go and party in the UK that will help the economy.

I bet you feel a right tit with that avatar.

[fluffybunnykins]

I thinks it's a left tit...

[flashleg8]

I thinks it's a left tit...

I think I'll need to study it for a bit more before I can see if you're correct.

[luns101]

I did some thinking about my original thoughts here. I wanted to take the time to clarify some things since it's been awhile and other CCer's have gotten to know my positions a little more clearly.

I hate to say this, because I love the British people. I truly admire all the things they have contributed to Western culture.

The England that I was referring to here is the England of C.S. Lewis, Winston Churchill, and King George VI. I realize that these men had problems (they were definitely not perfect by any means), but they stood for a basic sense of morality and courage and love of country. I believe that England has changed from that type of culture to a more secular one. That secularist transition has not done justice to England's proud heritage, in my opinion.

But England is about to fall. There are too many radical Muslims living there now. Soon, they will be overrun with Muslims that only care about 2 things: Killing Jews, and destroying England (and eventually the US).

I definitely didn't state this the right way. When I said that England was "about to fall", it would seem that I'm referring to something happening on the scale of Odoacer dethroning the last Roman Emperor.

What I should have said is that I perceive Islamic idealists will win an ideological war of attrition against British people who believe in common law. The Islamists are more committed to their cause than the traditional common law Brits, as I see it. Britain is being conquered from within, not by a foreign enemy. Either the secularists are willfully aiding the Islamists, not taking the ideological war seriously, or not willing to engage in it (once again, my opinion).

My opinion is based on reading a lot of articles on the immigration problems facing England today, news broadcasts, pictures of Islamic protests against the English government, and the opinions of my own ESL students. Some of the most kind people I've ever met are from Syria & Jordan, and they are Muslim. However, when I mention England, their demeanor changes and they've told me flat out that England will one day belong to Allah (their words, not mine).

Since I didn't word things correctly, I think that's where the charges of "racist" came in against me. I was new to this site and people didn't know me...I believe things have changed since then. I also felt that the charges of "racist" were meant as an ad hominem attack to avoid talking about the issue. Nobody would ever listen to me since I was an American, and it would be an easy way for Brits to dismiss my arguments. So, I took off and posted in other threads.

You can still disagree with me (as many of you obiviously will), but I thought a clarification might be in order since time has passed. I look forward to reading more of your thoughts in other threads on a variety of subjects.

[2dimes]

moving to some third world country, like Sweden.

its being moved to the netherlands, not a third world country.

Oh sorry about that.

Fourth world country.

[Balsiefen]

I did some thinking about my original thoughts here. I wanted to take the time to clarify some things since it's been awhile and other CCer's have gotten to know my positions a little more clearly.

I hate to say this, because I love the British people. I truly admire all the things they have contributed to Western culture.

The England that I was referring to here is the England of C.S. Lewis, Winston Churchill, and King George VI. I realize that these men had problems (they were definitely not perfect by any means), but they stood for a basic sense of morality and courage and love of country. I believe that England has changed from that type of culture to a more secular one. That secularist transition has not done justice to England's proud heritage, in my opinion.

But England is about to fall. There are too many radical Muslims living there now. Soon, they will be overrun with Muslims that only care about 2 things: Killing Jews, and destroying England (and eventually the US).

I definitely didn't state this the right way. When I said that England was "about to fall", it would seem that I'm referring to something happening on the scale of Odoacer dethroning the last Roman Emperor.

What I should have said is that I perceive Islamic idealists will win an ideological war of attrition against British people who believe in common law. The Islamists are more committed to their cause than the traditional common law Brits, as I see it. Britain is being conquered from within, not by a foreign enemy. Either the secularists are willfully aiding the Islamists, not taking the ideological war seriously, or not willing to engage in it (once again, my opinion).

My opinion is based on reading a lot of articles on the immigration problems facing England today, news broadcasts, pictures of Islamic protests against the English government, and the opinions of my own ESL students. Some of the most kind people I've ever met are from Syria & Jordan, and they are Muslim. However, when I mention England, their demeanor changes and they've told me flat out that England will one day belong to Allah (their words, not mine).

Since I didn't word things correctly, I think that's where the charges of "racist" came in against me. I was new to this site and people didn't know me...I believe things have changed since then. I also felt that the charges of "racist" were meant as an ad hominem attack to avoid talking about the issue. Nobody would ever listen to me since I was an American, and it would be an easy way for Brits to dismiss my arguments. So, I took off and posted in other threads.

You can still disagree with me (as many of you obiviously will), but I thought a clarification might be in order since time has passed. I look forward to reading more of your thoughts in other threads on a variety of subjects.

What kind of secularist culture is this? I havn't noticed one, you cant judge a country by a few people even if they are winston churchill. this, really is steriotyping, these people still exist, as did the secular people (whoever they are) in their time, its just that in the early twentieth century these people didn't get a lot of publicity.

The immigration problems are nothing major or unusual, it is being played up by the conservatives to gain support, really its less than saying the usa will be run by mexicans, as for your freinds, just because their muslims doesn't mean they know what people in bradford are doing. Our culture is settling down well and, as far as i can see there is little tension at the moment (especialy now Tonys being kicked out )

[Stopper]

The England that I was referring to here is the England of C.S. Lewis, Winston Churchill, and King George VI. I realize that these men had problems (they were definitely not perfect by any means), but they stood for a basic sense of morality and courage and love of country. I believe that England has changed from that type of culture to a more secular one. That secularist transition has not done justice to England's proud heritage, in my opinion.

It's true Britain has probably changed to a very secular culture - but the decline in religiosity started long before CS Lewis' and Churchill's time. And it isn't a phenomenon that is restricted to Britain.

I definitely didn't state this the right way. When I said that England was "about to fall", it would seem that I'm referring to something happening on the scale of Odoacer dethroning the last Roman Emperor.

What I should have said is that I perceive Islamic idealists will win an ideological war of attrition against British people who believe in common law. The Islamists are more committed to their cause than the traditional common law Brits, as I see it. Britain is being conquered from within, not by a foreign enemy. Either the secularists are willfully aiding the Islamists, not taking the ideological war seriously, or not willing to engage in it (once again, my opinion).

This picture of Britain "being conquered from within" by "Islamists" is a bizarre one. You will need to elaborate further on what exactly this conquest entails - massive wholesale conversions to Islam? Adoption of sharia law? Pogroms against Christians? The mind boggles.

My opinion is based on reading a lot of articles on the immigration problems facing England today, news broadcasts, pictures of Islamic protests against the English government, and the opinions of my own ESL students. Some of the most kind people I've ever met are from Syria & Jordan, and they are Muslim. However, when I mention England, their demeanor changes and they've told me flat out that England will one day belong to Allah (their words, not mine).

Immigration is a fact of life, partly resulting from Britain's constant economic growth since 1993, and partly from the gap between Britain's economy and other poorer economies. Like all economically successful countries, Britain is currently sucking in immigrants. But it won't last forever - the economy will go through recession and restricted growth again, and when that happens, it will be like the 1980's, when Britain had net emigration for many years.

Still, it isn't clear to me exactly how you, or anyone else, thinks England is supposed to "belong to Allah" one day.

[Titanic]

My opinion is based on reading a lot of articles on the immigration problems facing England today, news broadcasts, pictures of Islamic protests against the English government, and the opinions of my own ESL students.

Never base your opinion from the media...